Last edited by Ry_Tower; April 10th, 2011 at 04:27 PM.
Fasten your seatbelt! Or else...Driven To Thrill!
MODERATOR's NOTE:
I closed the Alabang thread because the issue being discussed there is not different from being discussed here. I would rather have all the RH issue discussions done in a single thread than spread in two or more threads.
That is just part of the job of a moderator in tsikot.com
I posted "PRO RH-BILL" articles on this thread which I think would be interesting to read by those following this thread. You are also free to post similar articles which support your side of the discussion.
Whether or not I answered your questions is not up to you. I just think I should not give any validation to your question because it has no relevance to the discussion topic. In fact, you don't answer questions posted to you as well. So why blame me when you are guilty of the same "fault" as well?
"He who has no sin should throw the the first stone", said Jesus of Nazareth. Didn't they teach you that back in bible school, Mr LAWYER?
Are you now down to insults and name calling? Such degrading action from a supposed "lawyer". But not surprising from the anti-RH diehard camp because that is all you have left.
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Last edited by ghosthunter; April 11th, 2011 at 02:09 PM.
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011...life-movement/
[SIZE="4"]***, Slavery, and the Pro-Life Movement[/SIZE]
Posted on 02 April 2011 by Garrick Bercero.
With seven Bataan village councils issuing unlawful copycat ordinances of the infamous Ayala Alabang one, it is time to call a spade a spade. This is not about unborn children. This is not about the RH Bill. What we are seeing is a war of attrition against ***, fought one village at a time.
Recently, Congressman and pugilist Manny Pacquiao was quoted as saying that if his parents had used contraceptives, he wouldn’t be here. Many RH opponents like him and Manoling Morato seem to be under the impression that contraceptives are depriving human society of celebrities like Pacquiao. The fact is, the odds against anyone’s birth are astronomical. Having contraceptives in the equation is a drop in the ocean of prerequisites necessary for anyone existing. Your exact set of ancestors going all the way back to the first ***ual organism had to meet in the exact set of circumstances that led to your being. The millions in the batch of sperms in which you developed had to lose to you. For men, by choosing not to be procreating right at this moment, the next Einstein is now being reabsorbed into the male genitourinary tract. For women, by not being pregnant right now, the next Shakespeare is now being thrown out on a used tampon. And this is not even the half of it. Successful conceptions prevent the birth of other potential Newtons and Joyces. And these lost geniuses go unnoticed because they don’t exist and probably never will. If you weren’t here to exist, someone else will be.
Contraceptives do not make it any less likely in any significant way that any specific person will be born. The failure to understand this simple fact is what makes anti-choice superstars like former Chief Justice Davide embarrass themselves by disgustingly decrying contraceptives as worse than the tsunami that drowned thousands in their houses and cars in Japan.
The unborn aren’t a set of prefabricated people you draw out from heaven and into a vagina. They’re hypothetical permutations outnumbering the stars in the sky. Pacquiao’s line of reasoning was not only fallacious, it was unfairly self-deprecating for him. He was arguing that the only reason he has achieved what he has as an athlete was because he was born. It is a shame for someone like him who’s worked his fists to the bone to fall prey to manipulative quacks using his fame to impose their frumpy puritanism on the nation’s free citizens.
This has always been about ***. They want to dictate how it can be done. They want to dictate when it can be done. This is what keeps them up at night in cold sweats: someone at that exact moment may be enjoying themselves in a way they do not approve of.
The true intentions of the pro-life movement are betrayed by their obsession about an issue as innocuous and as private as the intimate relations of their neighbors. It is not just that they are anti-choice and against women having the right to do what they want with their bodies. What the conservatives of the Holy Roman Catholic Church want is to regulate ***. This is why even condoms, a mere physical barrier between an ejaculating penis and the womb, have to be lumped with contraceptive drugs. This is why former public officials like Lito Atienza compose hateful tirades about how gay marriage will destroy the Filipino family. This is why the pro-life movement of the Roman Catholic Church has always been about situations that involve *** and not about ethnic cleansing in Rwanda or the sectarian violence in Egypt.
Those who fashion themselves as more sophisticated than the rank and file opponents of the bill may use supposedly secular distractions such as “population collapse” in an attempt to mask their religious motives, but why is the burden of propping up an obviously flawed economy on our descendants who never chose such a fate? Since when has it again been acceptable to treat people as commodities and before they’re even born? Since when has it been honorable to deprive people of the informed choice to decide whether or not they want to have children? RH opponents have to resort to such shameful and despotic economic arguments just to hide their prejudiced belief that *** must be controlled at all costs.
At this point, if those disagreeing with me are even still reading, I have to address the old canard that *** is a gift from God and that liberals are trampling on it with their *** positive attitudes and their promiscuous lifestyles. Even if we were to allow this absurd and flawed premise, since when has a gift meant that the giver has total control over the use of said gift? Apparently, God’s gifts to man include the not insignificant requirement of human enslavement. Thanks, but, no thanks.
“Pro-life” is a misnomer. It is marketing speak for the larger culture war the social conservative movement is waging. It is a ruse to hide the desire at the core of the anti-choice anti-*** movement to become serfs ruled in absolute tyranny by an invisible thought police. In a bout of resentment against the freemen who reject such nonsense, conservative Catholics twist the arm of the national government to appease their ***ual neuroses.
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Last edited by ghosthunter; April 11th, 2011 at 02:12 PM.
Sina B1 at B2: A conversation on contraception
Disclaimer: All characters and events in this post –even those based on real people– are entirely fictional. All prophetic dialogue is impersonated … poorly. The following post contains blasphemy and due to its content it should not be read by anyone.
Bishop 1: The RH Bill will fail, because it promotes contraception. Contraceptives are evil. Everybody knows this.
Bishop 2: Sir, nonbelievers disagree.
1. Atheists
2. Agnostics
3. Deists
B1: But they are godless, baby-eating Satanists. Surely the religious think contraceptives are inherently sinful–
B2: I hate to play devil’s advocate here, but most major religions are ok with contraceptives:
4. Jews (particularly the pill)
5. Sunni and Shia Muslims
6. Hindus
7. Taoists
8. Confucianists
9. Buddhists
10. Sikhs
B1: Well, it doesn’t matter. Christianity is the one true religion, and all Christians condemn –
B2: Actually, many Christian denominations are ok with contraceptives:
11. Eastern Orthodox Church
12. Anglicanism The Church of England
13. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
14. United Methodist Church
15. The US Presbyterian Church
16. Mennonites
17. Hutterites
B1: They don’t count! Everyone knows the Catholic Church is the true church of Christ, and all Catholics hate –
B2: Not quite:
18. Old Catholic Church
B1: Ok, ok, the Roman Catholic Church.
B2: Sorry, sir, there’s
19. Catholics for a Free Choice
20. Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops
B1: But all these are foreign faiths! We’re in the Philippines, the largest Roman Catholic nation in Asia! And surely Filipino Roman Catholics
–
B2: That’s true sir, but many Filipinos are not Roman Catholic. Aside from the belief systems above, Filipinos belong to other religions who are OK with contraceptives:
21. Iglesia Ni Cristo
22. Jesus is Lord Movement
Members of the National Council of Churches in the Philippines, including
23. Apostolic Catholic Church
24. Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches
25. Episcopal Church in the Philippines
26. Iglesia Evangelica Metodista En Las Islas Filipinas
27. Iglesia Filipina Independiente
28. Iglesia Unida Ekyumenical
29. Lutheran Church in the Philippines
30. The Salvation Army
31. The United Methodist Church in the Philippines
32. United Church of Christ in the Philippines
B1: They’re minorities! Like I was saying, majority of Filipino Roman Catholics –
B2: My sincerest apologies sir, but survey says:
33. 68% of SWS survey respondents favor contraceptive use
B1: Holy ****.
B2: I’m so sorry sir. In this issue, not only are we the minority belief system, we are the minority, period. And even fewer of us anti-contraceptive Filipino Roman Catholics would like to impose our views on others.
B1: This is hopeless. We need discernment. Let us pray about this: Lord, please show us the way to remove this evil from our country.
B2: Amen.
Taken from:
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2009...contraception/
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Last edited by ghosthunter; April 11th, 2011 at 02:10 PM.
Hindi nabubuntis mga batang lalaki kaya ok lang sakanila na walang RH Bill.
kung nag co-condom sana ang boyfriend, di sana nangyari ito
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/me...-pregnant-teen
ang sasabihin ng simbahan: dapat di sila nagse***10 hospitals reject pregnant teen
MANILA, Philippines – After being rejected by 10 hospitals and spending about P4,000 on fares and food, pregnant 17-year-old Aya Mahinay was finally admitted to a hospital early Saturday morning.
Mahinay roamed Quezon City looking for a hospital to give birth from 8 p.m. to 12 midnight.
Most of the hospitals Mahinay went to did not have adequate equipment such as an incubator, reason for them to reject the teenager.
One private hospital required a P60,000-deposit before allowing to admit Mahinay. The hospital also required a P30,000-fee per day for the incubator.
In desperation, Mahinay instead went to ABS-CBN to ask for help.
The teenager was then accompanied by the ABS-CBN news team to a hospital and was admitted. -- Report from Dominic Almelor, ABS-CBN News
ang sagot ko: di mo mapipigilan mag *** ang mga tao. kaya kung gusto nila mag *** pero di pa sila handa magkaanak, gumamit ng contraceptives
ang sasabihin ng simbahan: it's like telling teenagers it's ok to have *** basta gumamit ng contraceptives. it's encouraging promiscuity
ang sagot ko: they're gonna have *** anyway even if you don't teach them safer ***. it's not as if pag di mo turuan ng safer *** they won't discover ***. they will discover *** and they will have ***. unahan mo na bago sila makamali
ang sasabihin ng simbahan: basta hindi pwede!
Last edited by uls; April 11th, 2011 at 02:30 PM.
Usual Sqwaking reaction to problems, Kamot ulo. Maka-awa. Not thinking about consequences at the beginning.
Happened to the 3 Drug Mules too.
http://propinoy.net/2011/03/07/catho...nti-rh-agenda/
[SIZE="4"]Catholics walked out of Saint James Parish; homily used for Anti-RH agenda[/SIZE]
By Cocoy ⋅ March 7, 2011 ⋅
Catholics on Sunday walked out during a homily at Saint James Parish. The homily was used as a platform to voice the Catholic Bishop’s Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) position on Reproductive Health. It talked about the village ordinance prohibiting the selling of contraceptives to the public without prescription. The City Government of Muntinlupa has already struck down the ordinance as illegal.
Gela of Wondernot blog, wrote, ”The mass was used to convince parishioners to sign a petition that would support the Barangay Ordinance on “The Safety and Protection of the Unborn Child”. An hour had already passed thanks to the long, highfalutin speech of the priest who insisted that if you did not agree with that ordinance, you are cursed. Yes, those were his words. He was even so defensive at first, saying that he wasn’t twisting the homily to fit a discussion on the ordinance.
My mother, a faithful member of the Opus Dei, could tell how I disgruntled and upset I was. She advised me to simply pray for the Church, as what they were using the mass for was not the essence of the sacrament Catholics observe every Sunday.
No one in my family signed the petition being passed around.”
Blogwatch.tv has more Twitter reactions.
On Sunday 6th March 2011, *longbeard retweeted this:
RT *InaLimcangco RT *CamillePrats Went to hear mass at St. James Parish, during the homily, a representative from Bgy. Ayala Alabang talked about the controversial ordinance of Bgy. Ayala Alabang prohibiting the selling of contraceptives to the public without prescription. It created a scene during the mass. Daming nagwalk out. Some of them got mad because they didn’t go to church to hear about that. They went to hear God’s words.The church is not the proper time and place to discuss that. To top it all, they passed around a petition form and asked everyone to sign it, to signify that they are in support of the ordinance. They shouldn’t push it down on people’s throat like that na parang wala kang choice. Sana wag namang gamitin ang simbahan para sa political agendas na ganyan.
The Holy Mass should not be turned into a political tool by the Philippine Catholic Church.
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Last edited by ghosthunter; April 11th, 2011 at 04:44 PM.
hehe. uy maganda yang chikas na yan ng Hyundai a... di bagay na madre.
dito sa parish namin medyo pa-hapyaw mga banat nila sa RH e...