PAGCOR's P1-B coffee

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^siyempre i-compost mo muna ebak ng mga squatters, hinde direkta ipahid sa plant pag labas ng pwet.

[Batang Regla]

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Sa organic farming para magkaroon ka ng organic seal or maconsider na organic ay bawal ang human or animal waste. (may iba magaan criteria na pwede animal waste but never human waste)

I know composted ebak tinutukoy mo. Kung ebak ng kalabaw pwede dahil herbivore. Pero ebak ng tao ayoko.

May pakinabang ang human waste pero sa electricity. Kagaya sa Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, ihi ang gamit nila to secure ang perimeter.

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Kaya marami trabaho pwede mangyari.

so organic farming is your idea of job creation?

sino nangangarap maging magsasaka?

pati anak ng magsasaka nangangarap mag abroad o magtrabaho sa call center

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Sa organic farming para magkaroon ka ng organic seal or maconsider na organic ay bawal ang human or animal waste. (may iba magaan criteria na pwede animal waste but never human waste)

I know composted ebak tinutukoy mo. Kung ebak ng kalabaw pwede dahil herbivore. Pero ebak ng tao ayoko.

May pakinabang ang human waste pero sa electricity. Kagaya sa Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, ihi ang gamit nila to secure ang perimeter.

puro "vegetarian" mga squatters. wala sila panbili ng karne na kakainin. kaya puro kangkong na lang na tumutubo sa estero ang pagkain nila

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eld- Thats why i hope ang mindanao hindi maging kagaya ng manila. Wag gawing mall, condo at factory. Nakakita ako may itatayo sa butuan na robinsons. Nalungkot ako.

I'm actually from Socsargen area. Wag ka nang umasa. malapit ng matapos ang SM Gensan. There are now 8 big malls all within half an hour from where I live. Dumarami pa ng dumarami ang mga sasakyan. Nakakairita ang traffic. Ano pa kaya kung matuloy ang $6 Billion mining project ng Xstrata? (I hope so. Hippies be damned! )

[Batang Regla]

so organic farming is your idea of job creation?

sino nangangarap maging magsasaka?

pati anak ng magsasaka nangangarap mag abroad o magtrabaho sa call center

Yes for me ito dito aasenso ang pinas. Ito yaman natin.

Right now mabibilang lang nangarap maging magsasaka. Pag check ko UP Los banos grabe iilang lang nakaenroll sa farming. Pero reading history book si jose rizail ay isang proud farmer.

Jose Rizal [Rizal in Dapitan]

Rizal as a Farmer in Dapitan (Dapitan sa Mindanao ito sa Zamboanga Del Norte)

To prove to his people that farming is a good a profession as medicine, Rizal became a farmer in Dapitan. In a letter to his sister, Lucia, on February 12, 1896, he said: "We cannot all be doctors; it is necessary that there would be some to cultivate the soil."

During the first year of his exile (1893), Rizal bought an abandoned farm in Talisay, a barrio near Dapitan. This farm had an area of sixteen hectares and was rather rocky. It lay beside a river that resembled the Calamba River-clear fresh water, wide and swift current. In his letter to his sister Trinidad on January 15, 1896, Rizal said: "My land is half an hour’s walk from the sea. The whole place is poetic and very picturesque, better than Ilaya River, without comparison. At some points, it is wide like the Pasig River and clear like the Pansol, and has some crocodiles in some parts. There are dalag (fish) and pako (edible fern). If you and our parents come, I am going to build a large house where we can all live together."

On this land in Talisay, Rizal actually built a permanent home. With the help of his pupils and some laborers, he cleared it and planted cacao, coffee, coconuts, and fruit trees. Later, he bought more lands in other barrios of Dapitan. In due time, his total land holdings reached 70 hectares. They contained 6,000 abaca plants, 1,000 coconut palms, many coffee and cacao plants and numerous kinds of fruit trees.

On his lands, Rizal introduced modern methods of agriculture which he had observed during his travels in Europe and America. He encouraged the Dapitan farmers to replace their primitive system of cultivation with these modern methods. These modern methods of farming consisted of the use of fertilizers, the rotation of crops, and the use of farm machines. Rizal actually imported some farm machines from the United States.

Rizal dreamed of establishing an agricultural colony in the sitio of Ponot near Sindangan Bay. This region contained plenty of water and good port facilities. He believed that it could accommodate about 5,000 heads of cattle and 40,000 coconut palms. It was also ideal for the cultivation of coffee, cacao, and sugar cane because of its fertile soil and favorable climate.

He invited his relatives and friends in Luzon, especially those in Calamba, to colonize the Sindangan Bay area. Unfortunately, his plan of founding an agricultural colony in Sindangan Bay did not materialize, like that of his former project to colonize North Borneo. He did not get the support of the Spanish government.

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Yes for me ito dito aasenso ang pinas. Ito yaman natin.

Right now mabibilang lang nangarap maging magsasaka. Pag check ko UP Los banos grabe iilang lang nakaenroll sa farming. Pero reading history book si jose rizail ay isang proud farmer.

so proud farmer si Rizal

tapos?

be realistic dude

you think ma-i-inspire kay Rizal mga pinoy maging magsasaka?

yeah right

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call center agent is the new farmers....hehehe

[badsekktor]

lols! organic farming!

hmm there's Lina law..... lack of infrastructure to transport goods..... lack of access to technology.....

you need a huge space just to get a considerable amount of income.... NPA, thieves, etc....

[Batang Regla]

so proud farmer si Rizal

tapos?

be realistic dude

you think ma-i-inspire kay Rizal mga pinoy maging magsasaka?

yeah right

Im still hoping. :D

Kasi walang mangyayari sa atin sa mall, condo, call center, ofw remittances. (Lalo na yung condo dadating time sasabog yan hindi dahil sa terrorist pero in business terms)

Paano ko ba explain......Ganito....Sa basketball pinipilit ng pinoy pero wala talaga tayo doon. Dami kwarta ginastos pero talo. (Magimbento muna ako sa farm paano tumangkad baka sakali makalaban.)

Pero sa dragon boat wala suporta pero panalo agad. Syempre ito identity natin

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call center agent is the new farmers....hehehe

haha

yes. children of farmers don't wanna work in fields. they wanna work in cities. in buildings. naka aircon

they wanna hang at starbucks. they want iphones and ipads. they want toyota vios with lots of accessories

they don't wanna work under the sun planting crops

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Yes for me ito dito aasenso ang pinas. Ito yaman natin.

Walang bansang yumaman sa pagiging banana republic lang. Besides, stagnant ang birth rates ng mayayamang bansa which frees up their spaces for farming and that both reduces the need to import food.

[uls]

and walang laban ang organic farming sa industrial farming

ya you can enumerate all the goodness of natural-grown crops and the evils of chemical-grown crops

but when it comes to crop yield, industrial beats organic

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*uls. tama diba? hehehe

before: pag tamad mag aral or talagang mapurol lang ang utak ng bata sabihin magtanim ka na lang. basta masipag kikita ka meron ka kakainin
now: college drop out w/ or w/o working experience, basta masipag lang dahil graveyard shift. kikita ka at meron ka pangbili ng gadgets.

[Batang Regla]

and walang laban ang organic farming sa industrial farming

ya you can enumerate all the goodness of natural-grown crops and the evils of chemical-grown crops

but when it comes to crop yield, industrial beats organic

But in the long run mas magatos yan sa isang bansa...... Sabi nga ni prince charles.....

"Fast food may appear to be cheap food and, in the literal sense it often is, but that is because huge social and environmental costs are being excluded from the calculations. Any analysis of the real cost would have to look at such things as the rise in food-borne illnesses, the advent of new pathogens, such as E.coli 0157, antibiotic resistance from the overuse of drugs in animal feed, extensive water pollution from intensive agricultural systems and many other factors. These costs are not reflected in the price of fast food."

[digitalron]

Even though Maslow has been discredited on his hierarchy of needs from many fronts, I tend to agree that man would first want to satisfy his immediate physiological needs (food) before self-actualization (being environmentally conscious in this case).

In this regard, no matter how positive the outcome of organic farming is, it cannot compete with the produce from industrial farming in terms of cost and quantity. So, unless the government provides really huge subsidies to organic farmers, a great majority of people will continue to buy industrial farming produce because it is cheaper and more readily available.

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do you think i-support ng PAGCOR ang organic farming? or gawin yun tokens nila out of coffee beans, para yun na lang ihulog ng players sa hot cup of water para meron ng instant coffee na grown thru organic farming? or meron laging brewed machine sa mga table tapos pag gusto ng brewed coffee ng mga players abot lang nila yun chips sa dealer para maging coffee na. mas malaking denomination ng token mas premium yun coffee.

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But in the long run mas magatos yan sa isang bansa...... Sabi nga ni prince charles.....

i know that. i know the environmental cost of industrial farming

you're a a treehugger. you're one of those yoga practicing herbal med organic food advocating nature worshipping environmentalists

you guys have a common characteristic -- you're not realistic. very idealistic but not realistic

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*uls. tama diba? hehehe

before: pag tamad mag aral or talagang mapurol lang ang utak ng bata sabihin magtanim ka na lang. basta masipag kikita ka meron ka kakainin
now: college drop out w/ or w/o working experience, basta masipag lang dahil graveyard shift. kikita ka at meron ka pangbili ng gadgets.

and kita mo ang breed ng younger generation ngayon

very materialistic

dami gusto bilhin. dami luho

kaya gusto madali pera. gusto malaki pera

hope they go into farming?

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But in the long run mas magatos yan sa isang bansa...... Sabi nga ni prince charles.....

Doesn't matter. They're wealthy. There's local demand. They have subsidies.