PAGCOR's P1-B coffee

[Monseratto]

Can you site countries which have government run Casinos?

Private casinos abroad spend more than that to entertain their patrons like for chartered planes, flowing champagne, VIP suites, World Class Shows for free, buffets and etc. etc. etc. ...

Let's see...US, Germany, Ausrtria, Sweden, Canada, Switzerland...Google is your friend.

Gambling casinos have a long European tradition, but much has changed in recent years.

All three of the largest German-speaking countries (Austria, Germany, Switzerland) have state-controlled gambling casinos, but Switzerland only began allowing casinos in 2000.

Casinos and gambling in Germany, Austria and Switzerland - Spielbank - Spielkasino | The German Way


Hehehe..na 1-2-3 ang PAGCOR

HOUSE Deputy Minority Leader Danilo Suarez on Thursday dared the Philippine Gaming and Amusement Corp. to make public how government-run casinos lost P400 million to a foreign gambling syndicate in just one week in May.

“Pagcor admitted the Parañaque casino lost P150 million, but that is in one casino alone,” Suarez told the Manila Standard.

“There are two more casinos where the government lost P250 million more, bringing the total to P400 million.”

Suarez identified the government-run casinos as those in the Manila Pavillion Hotel and Heritage Hotel, where the government lost P100 million and P150 million, respectively.

“All told, the government lost P150 million in the Parañaque casino, which they confirmed, P100 million in Manila Pavillion, and another P150 million in Heritage Hotel,” Suarez said.


“The losses amounted to P400 million and these are public funds.”
The congressman from Quezon also demanded to know why the members of the syndicate, who were said to have been holding Chinese and Malaysian passports, were allowed to post bail.

“Now, Pagcor officials are saying the members of the syndicate cannot be located anymore after they posted bail,” he said.

“They were allowed to flee the country. So how do they think they can recover the P400 million now?”

Suarez on Wednesday said the gang had rigged the game, allowing one player wearing a small camera on the wrist to scan the cards and transmit the information to another accomplice.

He said five to six syndicate members were deployed to the government-run casinos, but Pagcor officials said they caught only three.

“I demand an official investigation on this matter because the reports reaching my office showed P400 million in losses in just a week for three casinos, but there are nine more government-run casinos,” Suarez said.

He also wanted Pagcor officials to explain why the suspects were allowed to flee the country without Pagcor recovering the money first.

Manila Standard Today -- Explain how govt casinos lost P400m, gaming officials told -- 2011/july/29

[badsekktor]

well correct me if am wrong but the owner; Lot Manalo(i think) said na kumita sya ng 5M per year dyan. wag lang daw gawing bloated. now it is subjective kung ang 5M e sobra o hinde. iba iba na pananawa ng tao dyan.

im not saying na hindi kikita yun owner ng franchise.... in fact dapat kumita siya, negosyo yan eh.... so ibig sabihin 5M a year lang ang kinita niya? parang maliit yata.... ang tanong eh magkano ang kinita nung nag-award ng negosyo....

syempre hindi naman TY lang ang kapalit nung nag-award.... kelangan may padulas yan sa ma-aawardan ng kontrata.....

so saan ngayon babawiin ng na-awardan ng kontrata yun pinambayad niya?

[shadow]

Ang nakikita kong anomaly nalang dito is yung pag award ng concession without bidding.

+1. dun sa without bidding ang problema. not on the amount na nagastos.

I guess it's safe to assume that kung meron anomaly sa bidding and awarding ng contract then meron din anomaly sa price...yes?

friend ni Geuinio yun asawa ng nanalong contractor tapos ang ginamit na babae eh yun Maiden name niya sa contract. meron tinatago?

[niwde11]

im not saying na hindi kikita yun owner ng franchise.... in fact dapat kumita siya, negosyo yan eh.... so ibig sabihin 5M a year lang ang kinita niya? parang maliit yata.... ang tanong eh magkano ang kinita nung nag-award ng negosyo....

syempre hindi naman TY lang ang kapalit nung nag-award.... kelangan may padulas yan sa ma-aawardan ng kontrata.....

so saan ngayon babawiin ng na-awardan ng kontrata yun pinambayad niya?

dyan dapat nagsisimula ng investigation(awarding); yung dati ng problema sa pilipinas. not on "expose" na parang ginagawa na gumastos ang gobyerno sa ganitong kape. so parang nakukuryente. for me mas dapat pagtuunan ng pansin yung election at helicopter issue(another topic of course). di yung parang lumalabas e papogian na lahat sila at the expense of a corrupt official. who knows ang vested interest ng mga present govt officer na to. sometimes yung di pumuputak ang succesful in pinning govt official. rare breed ang official na ang mandate is to "serve".

re: san babawiin. they are all smart enough kung san babawiin yan. yan ang magaling sa mga corrupt people. they are adapting to the new laws of the land. di sila passive. yung mga investigation sa senado ngayon di mo ba napapansin puro luma. sabi nga nung isang taga military during the senate inquiry, panahon pa ni makopa yang style na yan. me bago na. :D

[niwde11]

I guess it's safe to assume that kung meron anomaly sa bidding and awarding ng contract then meron din anomaly sa price...yes?

friend ni Geuinio yun asawa ng nanalong contractor tapos ang ginamit na babae eh yun Maiden name niya sa contract. meron tinatago?

not necessarily. di naman tanga yang mga yan. syempre itatago nila yung anomaly sa di basta basta makikita ng tao. kung ganyan katanga yan e di pwede maging corrupt yan. kaya nga di corrupt ang presidente eh. :D

obvious na me tinanatago kaya ginamit ang maiden name. but the problem is hangang idea lang tayo. mahihirapan kumbinsihin ang "beyond reasonable doubt" sa husgado

[111prez]

kung ayaw nyo sa mga genuino, puede nyo i-boykot mga negosyo nila tulad ng trace colleges at mrs fields

[badsekktor]

dyan dapat nagsisimula ng investigation(awarding); yung dati ng problema sa pilipinas. not on "expose" na parang ginagawa na gumastos ang gobyerno sa ganitong kape. so parang nakukuryente. for me mas dapat pagtuunan ng pansin yung election at helicopter issue(another topic of course). di yung parang lumalabas e papogian na lahat sila at the expense of a corrupt official. who knows ang vested interest ng mga present govt officer na to. sometimes yung di pumuputak ang succesful in pinning govt official. rare breed ang official na ang mandate is to "serve".

re: san babawiin. they are all smart enough kung san babawiin yan. yan ang magaling sa mga corrupt people. they are adapting to the new laws of the land. di sila passive. yung mga investigation sa senado ngayon di mo ba napapansin puro luma. sabi nga nung isang taga military during the senate inquiry, panahon pa ni makopa yang style na yan. me bago na. :D

It started as an expose and i Believe that they will start an investigation. Kaya nga nila napansin na mukhang may anomalya dahil sa figures na binigay sa kanila di ba? kasi kung hindi kaduda-duda yun figures, eh di sana walang iimbestigahan.

As a businessman, kung papasok ako sa ganyang lakaran, sisiguraduhin ko na kikita pa rin ako kahit na maglagay ako ng limpak-limpak na salapi.

[niwde11]

It started as an expose and i Believe that they will start an investigation. Kaya nga nila napansin na mukhang may anomalya dahil sa figures na binigay sa kanila di ba? kasi kung hindi kaduda-duda yun figures, eh di sana walang iimbestigahan.

As a businessman, kung papasok ako sa ganyang lakaran, sisiguraduhin ko na kikita pa rin ako kahit na maglagay ako ng limpak-limpak na salapi.

investigation is good. grandstanding, i dont know. the problem is we dont prioritize what we should investigate first. di ba dapat unahin natin yung mga maganda ng case. or lagi na lang mapupunta sa wala yan. ang makikinabang lang e yung mga gusto magpapogi kasi malapit na election. wag mo imedia ang investigation walang gana yang mga yan. investigation also cost money. so dapat investigate wisely.

masyado marami gumagaya kay ex-Senator Maceda (Mr. Expose). sana magaya rin sila sa kinalalagyan nya.

[Monseratto]

Can anyone cite a goverment official behind bars because of a senate investigation since the time of Cory? Ano nangyari sa mga Senate investigation led by Enrile against then Presidentiable Manny Villar? Yung Kuratong Baleleng against then Gen. Panfilo Lacson? Yung attempted kidnapping ng Whistleblower kuno ng ZTE? Huwag na kayo aasa na Senate investigation will accomplish anything other than in aid of re election.

[shadow]

Can anyone cite a goverment official behind bars because of a senate investigation since the time of Cory? Ano nangyari sa mga Senate investigation led by Enrile against then Presidentiable Manny Villar? Yung Kuratong Baleleng against then Gen. Panfilo Lacson? Yung attempted kidnapping ng Whistleblower kuno ng ZTE? Huwag na kayo aasa na Senate investigation will accomplish anything other than in aid of re election.

but that's exactly what a Senate investigation is...in aid legislation.

[Ry_Tower]

"premium" coffee daw sila sabi nun concessionaire...

wala daw illegal sa ginawa, pero yun concessionaire eh close friend ni Genuino, tapos yun asawa ang ginamit na name sa contract eh yun maiden name niya. walang tinatago doon ah

mukhang madadagan ng patient ang St. Lukes...

Sana mag-dilang ano ka... hehehe

[niwde11]

but that's exactly what a Senate investigation is...in aid legislation.

can you honestly say to yourself they are doing it in aid of legislation? or maskara lang para sumikat?

try to bluff na walang media during investigation, do you think they will agree wholeheartedly?

they are now in the posistion(unlike before). if they still dont trust the investigative agency to do their job first then alisin na lang investigative agency para tayo makatipid(thats out motto for this admin and thats good).

ok lang yan kung dati na si gma ang nakaupo at tuta nya si doj raul gonzales. pero ngayong si de lima na at wala pa rin silang tiwala then they must replace de lima and put another one just like the ombudsman. tingnan mo no need na ng truth commision since napalitan si mercie.

again i am not against the senates power to investigate. sana lang pabayaan muna nila ang investigative agency at pag mukhang niluluto ng agency na to saka sila pumasok. uso tuloy ang term na "parallel investigation". parallel din ang gastos. parallel din ang wasted time.

sorry napahaba ng konti. :D

[Ry_Tower]

can you honestly say to yourself they are doing it in aid of legislation? or maskara lang para sumikat?

try to bluff na walang media during investigation, do you think they will agree wholeheartedly?

they are now in the posistion(unlike before). if they still dont trust the investigative agency to do their job first then alisin na lang investigative agency para tayo makatipid(thats out motto for this admin and thats good).

ok lang yan kung dati na si gma ang nakaupo at tuta nya si doj raul gonzales. pero ngayong si de lima na at wala pa rin silang tiwala then they must replace de lima and put another one just like the ombudsman. tingnan mo no need na ng truth commision since napalitan si mercie.

again i am not against the senates power to investigate. sana lang pabayaan muna nila ang investigative agency at pag mukhang niluluto ng agency na to saka sila pumasok. uso tuloy ang term na "parallel investigation". parallel din ang gastos. parallel din ang wasted time.

sorry napahaba ng konti. :D

Much better talaga if the appropriate agency first will conduct the investigation and if there is still a conceern upon the result, then they may exercise the option to conduct a senate inquiry. Sayang pera sa grandstanding lang.

Pero sa ganyang data, ta*%# na lang sila kung wala pa maparusahan. Obvious na overpriced gaya nung folders last election, buti't yun ay nabunyag bago pa may makakurakot na naman.

OT: word of the day, "nabunyag"

[LeBRONghini6]

The coffee itself is cheap, but getting it to a customer is what makes a cup of coffee more expensive. Coffee must be brewed, the machine to brew it cost money, the machine needs to be connected to an electric source that once again cost money, coffee is often drank with cream and sugar, which once again cost money. The coffee must be served in a cup, which cost money, then after the coffee is consumed the cup, saucer and spoon, must be washed by a person that once again doesn't work for free. Let's not forget the person that will operate the machine, prepare the coffee and serve it to the high rollers, those all cost money.

So 100/ cup is not really high, since the concessionaire needs also to make some profit for them to stay in business. In fact 100/cup is even cheaper than most mall coffee shops.

If you have been to any of these large Pagcor casinos, you will see that 20+ high rollers at any given time is not rare, so serving 10 to 12 cups per hour is not unusual.

What I am saying that 1b in coffee in 10 years is not surprising, now if the issue here is about how the concessionaire got their contract then that is up to the law to decide the legality of it.

We own a coffee shop and the cheapest coffee we offer cost 58php. Mura lang ang kape. Hindi naman kailangan na ibigay mo ung mahal na kape dahil free lang naman to. Dapat nga 3in1 ok na sa kanila eh.

[Monseratto]

Si DOJ secretary De Lima...even PNoy doesn't take her recommendations seriously. Her ambition..este investigations are more for media hoopla. Let's see, Visconde reinvestigation, nothing there. DOTC-Usec Torres STRADCOM, still being reviewed kuno in Malacanang. Quirino Granstand Massacre, whitewashed...este watered down by PNoy himself...

[blue_gambit]

Let's see...US, Germany, Ausrtria, Sweden, Canada, Switzerland...Google is your friend.

U.S. like MGM Grand? all the Vegas Casinos? Casinos run by Native Americans in Cali? right... Canada? Really .. Ingat sa pag rely sa Google it ain't all true...

[boybi]

We own a coffee shop and the cheapest coffee we offer cost 58php. Mura lang ang kape. Hindi naman kailangan na ibigay mo ung mahal na kape dahil free lang naman to. Dapat nga 3in1 ok na sa kanila eh.

Coffees are offered free only to the high rollers, who are filthy rich people. Do you think they would drink 3-in-1 coffee?

[Monseratto]

U.S. like MGM Grand? all the Vegas Casinos? Casinos run by Native Americans in Cali? right... Canada? Really .. Ingat sa pag rely sa Google it ain't all true...

Hehehe...Kansas was the first US state to introduce State-owned and operated casinos, besides the 5 run in Native American reserve... This was done to answer the deficit problem.

Kansas gambles on state-owned casino | Marketplace From American Public Media

Kansas gambles on state-owned casino
By Sylvia Maria Gross
Marketplace, Monday, February 1, 2010

Some states are turning to casinos as part of a solution to huge budget deficits. Kansas has gone one step further and is actually setting up the first state-owned gambling operation in the country

The economy isn't helping Kansas. The state's original plan was to build four casinos. The Boot Hill Casino opened on schedule, but the state hasn't even broken ground on the other three

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And the state did make a profit

Topeka, Kan. — TOPEKA, KAN. – Together, the Kansas Lottery and state-owned and -operated casino gambling generated $103.8 million for the State in Fiscal Year 2011. Of that amount, $70 million came from traditional Lottery operations, and $33.8 was generated through state-owned and -operated casino gaming.

Yes blue_gambit, there's state-run casinos in CANADA...but they aren't making money.

Canada’s largest province, Ontario, is sparkling with revenue from publicly owned casinos. However government-run casinos don’t bring the expected revenue to state coffers.

Some blame poor economy, others say increased competition is causing problems. The fact remains that although all casinos are perfectly in line with Canadian gambling laws, state-run establishments are way behind the competition.

State-run Casinos in Canada?s Ontario Lose Millions

So get your facts straight...

[blue_gambit]

Hehehe...Kansas was the first US state to introduce State-owned and operated casinos, besides the 5 run in Native American reserve... This was done to answer the deficit problem.

Kansas gambles on state-owned casino | Marketplace From American Public Media

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And the state did make a profit



Yes blue_gambit, there's state-run casinos in CANADA...but they aren't making money.



State-run Casinos in Canada?s Ontario Lose Millions

So get your facts straight...

Sorry didn't know you where so well versed in the international casino business... I just asked..

[Dr.Kamiya]

If convicted, guilty officials should be made to purchase, out of pocket, coffee to the excess amount not actually spent at the coffee shop and DRINK.

Should be easy enough for Figaro to help verify how much coffee was actually purchased.