PAGCOR's P1-B coffee

**digitalron** · July 29th, 2011 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by vinj

The question there is how much per cup was charged? That's where the kickback comes in... if you're talking of P100.00 per cup, thats way overpriced.

I'm not saying there was no anomaly going on... but even as a kid, I was already tagging along with my dad in some of his meetings and in some hotel lobbies, I remember brewed coffee being sold for Php120 in the late 80s. So a Php100-150 cup of coffee inside a casino is a normal thing.

**badsekktor** · July 29th, 2011 12:32 PM

I don't think that the price should be questioned since that is the average price ng coffee kahit hindi sa hotels. Ang question ko dito is yun quantity.... we should remember that these are just the complimentary coffee given to high rollers ng casino as what Genuino said. Hindi pa kasama diyan yun regular sales sa ibang customers. So ibig sabihin ganoon kadami ang high rollers na may complimentary coffee?

**_Qwerty_** · July 29th, 2011 12:59 PM

dito pala sa casino sa atin may bayad ang kape?? sa Australia libre kape sa casino don..

**shadow** · July 29th, 2011 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by digitalron

I'm not saying there was no anomaly going on... but even as a kid, I was already tagging along with my dad in some of his meetings and in some hotel lobbies, I remember brewed coffee being sold for Php120 in the late 80s. So a Php100-150 cup of coffee inside a casino is a normal thing.

we don't care how much they charge for the coffees in hotels, hinde naman yun pinaguusapan eh, binibili ng tao yan, it's a business, they can charge P1k/cup we don't care.

we are talking about PAGCOR, coffees are given for free for the high rollers. PAGCOR nagbabayad ng coffee sa concessionaire, supposedly meron bidding to be a concessionaire in all Gov't agancies and dapat pinaka lowest price ka para makuha mo contract, ito aside from omarket price ang charge ng contractor sa per cup ng coffee eh kaibigan pa ng chairman nakakuha ng contract.

you see the difference? kung binabayran ng players yun coffee then walang problema pero PAGCOR nagbabayd ng coffee tapos complimentary sa mga high rollers. do you get it now?

ito ang linaw oh...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/32531/%...p167m%E2%80%99

PAGCOR COFFEE ANOMALY
‘Here’s simple math: P30M vs P167M’
By Christine Avendaño

Malacañang on Thursday threw back at former Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp., (Pagcor) chief Efraim Genuino his “bad math” dismissal of allegations that the state-run gaming firm had spent P1 billion on free coffee for its customers during his term.

Using his own simple math, presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda questioned how Pagcor under its current chair, Cristino Naguiat Jr., had allocated only P30 million for its coffee expenditure this year against the P167 million in one year (2006) under Genuino.

“How are we able to do it at P30 million when they are doing it at P167 million? So obviously there’s something wrong. There is an obvious abuse of the consumption of coffee there,” Lacierda said.

In his state of the nation address last Monday, President Aquino zeroed in on an “anomaly” in the old Pagcor that Naguiat had supposedly uncovered—the P1 billion that Pagcor had allegedly spent on free coffee for casino customers during the 10-year watch of Genuino.

‘Bad math’
Genuino dismissed the allegations by suggesting that Naguiat did not know his math and had misinformed the President.

He pointed out that Pagcor had 13 casinos that hosted at least 25,000 customers per day, or 2,000 per casino, which came to about six cups of coffee per customer per day. He further pointed out that the coffee was not given free of charge to the casino-goers.

Lacierda on Thursday declared that Malacañang was standing by the “P1 billion coffee anomaly” that Naguiat had uncovered.

He disagreed with Genuino’s claim of “poor math” on Naguiat’s part.

He said Genuino and other former Pagcor officials were “drunk with coffee there.”

“We believe that there was widespread corruption in the consumption of coffee. Our position is we believe in the revelations made by Naguiat and I think that should be properly investigated,” he told reporters.

More revelations

Lacierda indicated that there would be many more revelations of irregularities in the agency after the “P1 billion coffee anomaly”.

He said Naguiat has been conducting investigations since he took over the agency last year. He said that when he asked the new Pagcor chief if he “was able to find anomalies” in the agency he took over, Naguiat had told him he was looking at “so many things”.

“That’s the reason why you’ve seen a lot of revelations coming out from Pagcor. And if ever there are further revelations, chairman Bong Naguiat will reveal them in due time,” Lacierda said.

**miLes** · July 29th, 2011 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by shadow

we don't care how much they charge for the coffees in hotels, hinde naman yun pinaguusapan eh, binibili ng tao yan, it's a business, they can charge P1k/cup we don't care.

we are talking about PAGCOR, coffees are given for free for the high rollers. PAGCOR nagbabayad ng coffee sa concessionaire, supposedly meron bidding to be a concessionaire in all Gov't agancies and dapat pinaka lowest price ka para makuha mo contract, ito aside from omarket price ang charge ng contractor sa per cup ng coffee eh kaibigan pa ng chairman nakakuha ng contract.

you see the difference? kung binabayran ng players yun coffee then walang problema pero PAGCOR nagbabayd ng coffee tapos complimentary sa mga high rollers. do you get it now?

ito ang linaw oh...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/32531/%...p167m%E2%80%99

they use coffee to wash the dishes and water the plants...ehem i mean coffee the plants

**rattrapante** · July 29th, 2011 02:36 PM

The coffee itself is cheap, but getting it to a customer is what makes a cup of coffee more expensive. Coffee must be brewed, the machine to brew it cost money, the machine needs to be connected to an electric source that once again cost money, coffee is often drank with cream and sugar, which once again cost money. The coffee must be served in a cup, which cost money, then after the coffee is consumed the cup, saucer and spoon, must be washed by a person that once again doesn't work for free. Let's not forget the person that will operate the machine, prepare the coffee and serve it to the high rollers, those all cost money.

So 100/ cup is not really high, since the concessionaire needs also to make some profit for them to stay in business. In fact 100/cup is even cheaper than most mall coffee shops.

If you have been to any of these large Pagcor casinos, you will see that 20+ high rollers at any given time is not rare, so serving 10 to 12 cups per hour is not unusual.

What I am saying that 1b in coffee in 10 years is not surprising, now if the issue here is about how the concessionaire got their contract then that is up to the law to decide the legality of it.

**marg** · July 29th, 2011 03:02 PM

Kape, Helicopter, Walis Tingting, lahat sa Pinas may Raket.

Kaya Poor tayo.

Sick Man if Asia.

**badsekktor** · July 29th, 2011 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by marg

Kape, Helicopter, Walis Tingting, lahat sa Pinas may Raket.

Kaya Poor tayo.

Sick Man if Asia.

I agree! lalo na sa panahon ni GMA, naging garapal pati pinakamababang posisyon eh rumaraket! ultimo hardinero o kaya manikurista nagiging board member paano pa yun mga malalapit na kaibigan at supporter

**badsekktor** · July 29th, 2011 03:34 PM

so 20 high rollers a day? per branch ba? 365 days ba present ang mga yan? kung private owned kaya ang PAGCOR, meron kayang ganyan na expenses?

**digitalron** · July 29th, 2011 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by shadow

we don't care how much they charge for the coffees in hotels, hinde naman yun pinaguusapan eh, binibili ng tao yan, it's a business, they can charge P1k/cup we don't care.

we are talking about PAGCOR, coffees are given for free for the high rollers. PAGCOR nagbabayad ng coffee sa concessionaire, supposedly meron bidding to be a concessionaire in all Gov't agancies and dapat pinaka lowest price ka para makuha mo contract, ito aside from omarket price ang charge ng contractor sa per cup ng coffee eh kaibigan pa ng chairman nakakuha ng contract.

you see the difference? kung binabayran ng players yun coffee then walang problema pero PAGCOR nagbabayd ng coffee tapos complimentary sa mga high rollers. do you get it now?

ito ang linaw oh...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/32531/%...p167m%E2%80%99

Oh, now you have enlightened my once blurry mind oh great one.

/sarcasm off