The Middle East Problem

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[badkuk]

interesting video sir.

Pardon my naivety, but assuming that the Arab Spring wasn't a US/Western plot, it seems that the Syrian mess started way before the US/Russia meddled in it, amongst the ME countries/jihadists/ethnic groups. Assad's heavy-handedness basically gave people a reason to take up arms. When the neighbors saw that Syria was in civil war, they took advantage of that weakness to carve out their own territories.

And some people are blaming the US/West for the refugee crisis? Seems like the ME had no trouble causing this mess on their own.

Given that many "players" in the war, from a purely strategic POV, wouldn't it be best to let them fight it out amongst themselves, then walk in and sweep off the survivors while they're weak/overextended?

[Monseratto]

Russia won't give up on Assad since his presence gurantee their only warm water naval base. But even if Assad does fall, the mess won't end there since there are many groups fighting among themselves. Libya is a good example what happens when no single group emerged as the victor after a dictator falls.

[ClaNker]

interesting video sir.

Pardon my naivety, but assuming that the Arab Spring wasn't a US/Western plot, it seems that the Syrian mess started way before the US/Russia meddled in it, amongst the ME countries/jihadists/ethnic groups. Assad's heavy-handedness basically gave people a reason to take up arms. When the neighbors saw that Syria was in civil war, they took advantage of that weakness to carve out their own territories.

And some people are blaming the US/West for the refugee crisis? Seems like the ME had no trouble causing this mess on their own.

Given that many "players" in the war, from a purely strategic POV, wouldn't it be best to let them fight it out amongst themselves, then walk in and sweep off the survivors while they're weak/overextended?

Video=> Putin Lectures Obama on Arab Spring: “Do You Realize What You Have Done?”

Barack Obama supported regime change in Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia, Libya and Syria.
Today the Middle East is a bastion of Islamist violence, poverty, and human suffering.

F*cking Obama's Arab Spring.

[safeorigin]

F*cking Obama's Arab Spring.

hehe. Putin ?Names And Shames? Obama Into Bombing Islamic State Oil Smugglers | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

[machine.pistol]

Tribal mentality is not compatible with the concept of nation state and democracy.

[safeorigin]

hah! they still blame Assad for the chemical attack at a time when he's already winning.

Syria Chemical Weapons: Who was behind the East Ghouta Attacks? | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Syria civilians still under chemical attack - BBC News

in other news, Putin Confirms Egypt Plane Crash Due To Bomb Explosion, Offers $50 Million Reward For Info On Terrorists | Zero Hedge

[badkuk]

Again pardon my ignorance: just how did Obama pull off Arab Spring? afaik it didn't start with military action, coup, etc., people were marching in the streets. imho for somebody to pull that off, they should have had quite a deal of influence, at the grassroots at that.

On one hand he has no clue about the ME; on the other, he masterminded Arab Spring. And if he's in bed with the Saudis, etc., wouldn't those parties have advised against Arab Spring, since their *$$es are on the line if the ME destabilizes?

[safeorigin]

Again pardon my ignorance: just how did Obama pull off Arab Spring? afaik it didn't start with military action, coup, etc., people were marching in the streets. imho for somebody to pull that off, they should have had quite a deal of influence, at the grassroots at that.

On one hand he has no clue about the ME; on the other, he masterminded Arab Spring. And if he's in bed with the Saudis, etc., wouldn't those parties have advised against Arab Spring, since their *$ are on the line if the ME destabilizes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho...ited_States%29

hehe. some of my african friends were confused at the timing of arab spring. "why only now?"

[anonemus]

Tribal mentality is not compatible with the concept of nation state and democracy.

You're talking of Pinas? 😁

[safeorigin]

US Congresswoman Introduces Bill To Stop "Illegal" War On Assad; Says CIA Ops Must Stop | Zero Hedge

this woman knows what she's talking about

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-21/us-congresswoman-introduces-bill-stop-illegal-war-assad-says-cia-ops-must-stop

this woman knows what she's talking about

[unmarked]

Covert political ops ang ginawa nila jan. Damn ive been watching too many episodes ng Homeland hahaha

[niky]

To say that the United States did it on purpose assumes too much intelligence on the part of the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY

Not really anything surprising or new in this video for anyone who follows the news (and it's probably been posted elsewhere), but a comprehensive look at how American actions in the Middle East led to ISIS.

[ClaNker]

To say that the United States did it on purpose assumes too much intelligence on the part of the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY

Not really anything surprising or new in this video for anyone who follows the news (and it's probably been posted elsewhere), but a comprehensive look at how American actions in the Middle East led to ISIS.

Ah yes that video. Thanks for sharing.

All that money to the tune of $500M as I posted before.

[safeorigin]

^you mean this one?

Obama spends $500 million to train 5 anti-ISIS fighters

[ClaNker]

^you mean this one?

Obama spends $500 million to train 5 anti-ISIS fighters

Ah yes that one.

[minicarph]

Lagi naman bini-blame US sa iSIS. like any other war, darsting ang panahon na ayaw na ng American public sending their soldiers to Iraq. And nun dumating yun, they pulled out, created a power vacuum. And ISIS is created, destroying everybody in its path, Iraq government, Syrian government, Al Aqueda, Hezbollah and other factions.

mid east is so tribal that they have so many factions. And here comes a United front sweeping across the territories, one single unifying force. They're brutal we know. But that's only because nakikialam pa western nations, kaya hayun nadadamay ang mga innocent citizens ng mga nations na nakikialam

After the war with the British and American gaining idependence, ano ba ginawa ng America. They checked everything in the american continent, American Indians, Mexicans, Latinos. It was also charscterized by brutal massacres of these tribes. Is it bac yes? But what did it create, a United States of America that saved us in World war 2. Sabi nga ng Japanese admiral sa pearl harbor, we awakened a sleeping giant.

So why does Obama want the Syrian President gone, because the Americans had a hardtime becoming peacekeepers, there are just toomany factions, maiming, sniping, bombing them in the middle east, IS stsnds for Islamic State. US stands for United States. EU stands for European Union.

See the big picture. Europe has been always at war with each other coz of their many culutural and gropolitical differences, the EU united them. middle east is also at war with itself. And the only languagge these people understands to get their objective is through violence. Hindi pwede EU STYLE sa mid east. And that's why this is happening in that part of the world, that's their way eh. Something na pinakekelaman ng Christian western world.

If there was an international human rights body present in the 17th century and 18th century, hindi aagree ang body na ito sa pinaggawa ng America sa natives and the British emoire with its colonies

So that's why most of the extremists are educated Muslims. In fact educated pa nga sa Western universities. Kasi ito din na-learn nila sa history of Western civilization. Civlization na may dark past din full of brutality and violence,

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We live in a f&$3:! Up world talaga. That's a given, kelangan ba tayo makialam sa history in the making in that part of the world, YES and NO. Yes because of the humanity by which the war is undertaken. NO because pinakekelaman ba nila tayo if we ourselves conduct our own clean-up war in our region ...

So can we just leave them alone? And wait for the outcome. Stil NO! Why because Americs has done it before, they allowed Hitler to power, akala nila Hitler will be a unfiying force in Europe. hitler was good and diplomatic in the first years, convincing Ausria, Hungary and most of Eastern Europe, thru a peaceful annexation. Little did the Americans know na he was a madman, out to dominate the world. And it was too late. Why was it too late? Sana binefirend na lang nila su Hitler instead of annihilating him, hindi pa lumakas ang Soviet Union with the Iron Curtain and Cold War and Communist threat.

Yan din ang isang risk sa IS, who knows a madman may or may not be created. And then wreak havoc sa mundo sa isa na naman unforeseen outcome,

[minicarph]

The right kind of action would be to let them be. Rebel Factions vs. IS vs. Syrian Govt. (or any other Mid East Govt). Matira matibay because that's how they like it, parang underground fight club.

Then after all these, (The US) talk and maintain diplomatic relations to the victor for the future of their newly gained territories. It's in the art of war naman eh,

[safeorigin]

IMAO - Nuke the Moon

hahaha

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http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

hahaha