Lumalaki ang hypocrisy?

[4wrider]

Don't make me either rich or poor, just give me enough food for each day. If I have too much, I might reject you (God) and say "I don't know God". If I am poor, I might steal and disgrace the Name of my God. "Give me neither poverty nor riches! Give me just enough to satisfy my needs. For if I grow rich, I may deny you and say, "Who is the LORD?" And if I am too poor, I may steal and thus insult God's holy name. Proverbs 30:8 & 9

Real hypocrisy is telling people that you have taken a vow of poverty but enjoying the luxuries of life like grand villas, nice cars, a complement of utusan etc.

Hypocrisy is preaching love and compassion and yet openly fomenting hatred against perceived enemies.

Hypocrisy is placing oneself as moral leader of the people but blames the government leaders alone for the moral decay of the society.

Hypocrisy is asking for the truth from others while trying to cover the hosts of immorality within your ranks (child molestations, sodomy, embezzlement, self-enrichment etc.)

Hypocrisy is asking for trasparency but when your own debased life is exposed you cry harassment.

Hypocrisy is to say you are a follower of Christ but live a life that even Judas will be ashamed of.

Hypocrisy is saying one thing in public and doing exactly the opposite in private.

Hypocrisy is defined as:

1. an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction
2. insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have

3. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
4. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.

JDV is right that we are all sinners but he cannot correct it by saying others are worse sinner than he is.

All men have sinned and come short of the glory of God that's why we should not judge so that we may not be judged and declared equally guilty. This is illustrated in our own legal maxim that he who seeks equity (comes to court) must come with clean hands.

The best thing we can do is to examine ourselves first and try to make the necessary changes within ourselves with the help of God - for He alone can provide us with a genuine change. Then let your change flow to your family, to your peer and to your circle of influence.

[pitbullz]

vow of poverty...

Main Entry:
pov·er·ty Listen to the pronunciation of poverty
Pronunciation:
\ˈpä-vər-tē\
Function:
noun
Usage:
often attributive
Etymology:
Middle English poverte, from Anglo-French poverté, from Latin paupertat-, paupertas, from pauper poor — more at poor

from webster.com

kung hindi yan ang ibig sabihin nyan ewan ko na. sharing one's wealth has nothing to do with being poor/impoverished.

lets face it na lang...mayaman ang simbahan. its a good business too. cradle to grave ba naman e

[ringostarr]

Wow official na, Category na ang Religion hehe.

Sadly, the Church is one of the organizations na kelangan hingan ng approval, para daw maging Constitutional ang Succession in case of a power vacuum.

Well correct me if I'm wrong, nabasa ko lang naman. Baka siguro mali lang interpretation ko nung nabasa ko.

you have thankful na nakikiaalam ang Church sa politics ng bansang ito and we are not like Burma or Africa or Colombia na pag nagkagalit ang gobyerno at taumbayan civil war/genocide to the max ang nangyayari.

we are a nation of bluffs. now, is that a good thing or a bad thing? it's a good thing bec. hindi tayo naging extreme to forego our beliefs. and we have the Church to thank for that. The Church has influence not only in us citizens and the govt. but also sa leftists and rightists. tayo nga lang ang bansa may insurgents na may communist ideology na may takot sa diyos. kitang-kita naman sa mga activistang rally, parati present ang Simbahan.

only in the Philippines din nakikita mo nag-krus mga rebel/rightists soldiers bago makipagyera sa gobyerno

The Separation of Church and State in the Philippines only means that politicians cannot have director positions in Church assets and estates and that church officials cannot run or hold public office (that's why i'm not in favor of the Pampanga priest turned gov). confine the definition on that na lang.

separation like couple separation does not mean wala na pakealaman ang isa't isa lalo na kung may common interest sila, like yun mga anak nila. ganun din sa bansa natin, nagpapakaelamanan ang gobyerno at simbahan para sa bansa.

[shadow]

this is pointless....may sariling paniwala yun TS, then if someone will contradict his belief eh hinde naman siya papayag...

so might as well let it be....I don't think meron kayong mapagkakasunduan....

if the TS thinks that the church is hypocrite then so be it....:pope:

:popcorn:

[AeonBlaire]

The main reason why I keep replying to this thread is hangga't meron "nagbabaluktot at nagpapatubo" sa mga statements ko (hindi lahat), I will be obliged to make myself clearer.

By all means, I'm not imposing my so-called "beliefs" into anyone. I put it here to be discussed/flamed/scrutinized for the benefit of all who read this. 'Di ba ganito naman ang forum? If I violated any Rule, please tell me and please forgive me.

Acts 4:32-5:11

No offense pero wala akong nakitang specific na Vow of Poverty. Pero sabi mo nga its what the Vow means.
In my POV the verse is about GIVING UP ALL your possessions for the benefit of all.

We all have our own idea kung ano ang "sasakyan na maganda". Yung "sasakyan na maganda" that is related to the topic is yung luxurious vehicles.

Let me make myself clearer.

I said that the Bible is against wealth. Yes. Thats because in numerous homilies I listened to, it is STRONGLY PREACHED and EMPHASIZED, and ngayon dahil dun sa verse. Pero ako gusto kong yumaman, at gagawin ko un given the opportunity. Kaya nga guide ang tingin ko sa Bible, and not a manual. Ang sinasabi kong unethical e ung paring nagpapayaman, which keeps something for himself, like in the verse. Pero ung normal na citizen na nagpapayaman, go ahead.

If a priest really wants to be rich, so be it, just don't preach the Vow of Poverty.
And please don't use priesthood to achieve it.

If a priest is called "rich (in money)", it is implied that technically he owns the money. If the money is not his, then he would not be called rich in the first place. Why would a person be called rich if the money in question is not technically his?

As for Mother Teresa, pano ba siya nagkaron ng ganung pera? By business ventures ba or thru fund raising campaigns? Do you think papasok siya ng business ventures by herself? Or kung sa fund raising campaigns, do you think makakapag raise siya ng ganun kalaki if she wasn't acknowledged greatly?

With all due respect, yes talagang lahat tayo ay sinners. But if we are going to apply it as it is to modern society, ibig sabihin walang may karapatang mag-lead. And that would result to anarchy.

Ako very thankful naman ako na may Church na concerned sa welfare natin citizens. Pero hindi ako thankful sa mga nakakalimot.

[Flagg]

Kung sino ang hindi ipokrito, sya ang unang mambato...

[oliver1013]

Don't make me either rich or poor, just give me enough food for each day. If I have too much, I might reject you (God) and say "I don't know God". If I am poor, I might steal and disgrace the Name of my God. "Give me neither poverty nor riches! Give me just enough to satisfy my needs. For if I grow rich, I may deny you and say, "Who is the LORD?" And if I am too poor, I may steal and thus insult God's holy name. Proverbs 30:8 & 9

Real hypocrisy is telling people that you have taken a vow of poverty but enjoying the luxuries of life like grand villas, nice cars, a complement of utusan etc.

Hypocrisy is preaching love and compassion and yet openly fomenting hatred against perceived enemies.

Hypocrisy is placing oneself as moral leader of the people but blames the government leaders alone for the moral decay of the society.

Hypocrisy is asking for the truth from others while trying to cover the hosts of immorality within your ranks (child molestations, sodomy, embezzlement, self-enrichment etc.)

Hypocrisy is asking for trasparency but when your own debased life is exposed you cry harassment.

Hypocrisy is to say you are a follower of Christ but live a life that even Judas will be ashamed of.

Hypocrisy is saying one thing in public and doing exactly the opposite in private.

Hypocrisy is defined as:

1. an expression of agreement that is not supported by real conviction
2. insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have

3. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
4. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.

JDV is right that we are all sinners but he cannot correct it by saying others are worse sinner than he is.

All men have sinned and come short of the glory of God that's why we should not judge so that we may not be judged and declared equally guilty. This is illustrated in our own legal maxim that he who seeks equity (comes to court) must come with clean hands.

The best thing we can do is to examine ourselves first and try to make the necessary changes within ourselves with the help of God - for He alone can provide us with a genuine change. Then let your change flow to your family, to your peer and to your circle of influence.

Hehehe BINGO!! You hit the spot!! Bullseye!!

[4wrider]

Let me make myself clearer.

I said that the Bible is against wealth. Yes. Thats because in numerous homilies I listened to, it is STRONGLY PREACHED and EMPHASIZED, and ngayon dahil dun sa verse. Pero ako gusto kong yumaman, at gagawin ko un given the opportunity. Kaya nga guide ang tingin ko sa Bible, and not a manual. Ang sinasabi kong unethical e ung paring nagpapayaman, which keeps something for himself, like in the verse. Pero ung normal na citizen na nagpapayaman, go ahead.

If you carefully read the BIBLE you will see that God's blessings include wealth and His curses include poverty (e,g. See Deuteronomy 28). And no matter how many homilies, sermons and preachings, no matter how strong preached and emphasized, no matter what's the position of the priest or the pastor if they don't use the scriptures properly, they still err.

[ringostarr]

manood kayo ng The Mist and somewhere in the middle baka mapaniwala kayo na God is a vindictive god

[Flagg]

Religion threads just aren't as fun anymore without city and coder and the old, pre-TCash OB...

[CoDer]

Nandito lang ako sa tabi-tabi ninong Flagg, si OB wala na pinag retire na.

[AeonBlaire]

Honga hindi nga fun, kasi ung iba, masyadong "sensitive", tapos ung iba naman TH.

[ringostarr]

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Acts 4:32-5:11

No offense pero wala akong nakitang specific na Vow of Poverty. Pero sabi mo nga its what the Vow means.
In my POV the verse is about GIVING UP ALL your possessions for the benefit of all.

We all have our own idea kung ano ang "sasakyan na maganda". Yung "sasakyan na maganda" that is related to the topic is yung luxurious vehicles.

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sa pagkaalam ko misinterpret lang ng mga scholars at ng ilang saints ang vow of poverty. like for ex. St. Francis of Assisi, mayaman sya, mayaman tatay nya pero pinili nya maging mahirap at nakitira kasama mga lepers

after reading the life of St. Francis, syempre karamihan iisipin pinagpapala ang ang maging mahirap. come 'on. it's not even like that.

St. Francis chose a version of sacrifice and it so happens na he chose to be poor. madami klase ng sakripisyo sa mundo, and hindi ibig sabihin maging mahirap ka lang. for example, if you sacrifice your ambitions like for example, nag-resign ka bec. bumabagsak ang ekonomiya ng bansa. that's a sacrifice. another example, if you shield your body to save another man, that's another form of sacrifice.

now bakit sacrifice? bakit puro sakripisyo na lang naririnig natin sa bibliya. kasi the bible is just conveying an idea that is very true to even nature: give and take is to sacrifice and you shall have eternal life . pareho lang yun.

always, remember what jesus said: wag masyado mahumaling sa materyal na bagay. hindi ibig sabihin nito maging mahirap ka and deny what the world has to offer.

ang ibig sabihin nito, wag mo masyado dibdibin ang bago mo bili Civic FD to the point na magdadamot ka sa kapatid mo o magyayabang ka sa kapwa mo o lahat na lang tungkol sa tsikot babasahin mo to keep your new car safe. it's just a CAR!

yun ang ibig sabihin ni Jesus Christ. kaya ang the best na nag-aapply ng teachings ni jesus christ ay ang mga negosyante eh. kasi pinapaikot nila pera/blessings nila. meron ka ba nakita na tycoon na kumita ng 1B, tapos tinago lang niya sa sarili niya. hindi diba, kung materyoso sya tinago na lang nya yun 1B and let fear and paranoia takeover. instead, ang ginawa niya ininvest nya, bec to him 1B is just temporary and as a result, umikot ang pera. people get hired, investments lumago and everybody happy.

so next time you see, na mga taong materyoso, yun ang mga tao na nag-iipon ng kung anu-ano bec. to them, their happiness can only be derived from material things. and they'd even kill to protect it.

so at least klaro na, poverty does not equate being good or blessed.