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    #21
    btw sola scriptura is not biblical kung sinasabi ng mga born-again na based from the bible sila.

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    #22
    Quote Originally Posted by AeonBlaire View Post
    oist Ms Homer, ikaw talaga o, hindi ako BAC, whatever that is, hehehe.

    For me ok lang naman kasi kung i-deposit nila ung pera nila sa banks, for the purpose of safekeeping lang. But the thing is, they are involved in the financial management and operation of big companies, which I think, contradicts their teachings. They are accumulating wealth, PHYSICAL wealth.

    Tawa ako sa post ni uls, "unequal distribution of wealth" hahaha oo nga naman. Kung talagang sabi nila un, that is evidence of hypocrisy, big time.


    There must be a deeper reason why some priests have positions in big companies. Ang mababaw na pananaw ko lang dyan ay di mo mapapagkaila na magagaling sila (i'm speaking of Jesuit priests who have held various positions in big companies).. Ngayon kung sineswelduhan sila ng limpak limpak na salapi masasabi mo ba na nagpapakayaman sila sa sarili nilang kapakanan? Iyong pari at diyos lang ang nakakaalam nun.

    Alam mo bang si Mother Teresa eh isang milyonaryo? Sa nabasa ko kung tama ang pagkakatanda ko ang net worth nya ay $17 million pero saan nya ginamit iyong pera hindi naman para sa kanya kung hindi para sa iba.

    Kung may kakilala kang pari na nagpapayaman sa sarili nya walang pinagkaiba iyon sa taong nagkakasala. At ang paring iyon ay hindi sya ang simbahang katoliko.

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    #23
    hmmm, kaya pala may credit card mga pari

    magkano kaya credit limit? pero ok lang naman siguro to kung tumutulong sa kapwa kaso

    may iba na "tao lang" na natutukso rin

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    #24
    Walang masama sa pagiging mayaman. Basahin ninyo sulat ni Bo Sanchez tungkol sa pagiging mayaman.

    Ang goal ng accumulation ng wealth ay para ishare sa may wala.

    Iyong mga mayron na sakim ibang usapan na iyon.

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    #25
    hindi ba ang patakaran ng mga publicly traded companies dian ay automatic na may board seat ang investor kung ang shares nila sa stocks ng publicly held firm ay significant? so kung may mga shares ang simbahang katoliko sa isang kompanya at malaki-laki ito ibig sabihin board member ang representative ng simbahang katoliko?

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    #26
    Quote Originally Posted by froshie1 View Post
    Walang masama sa pagiging mayaman. Basahin ninyo sulat ni Bo Sanchez tungkol sa pagiging mayaman.

    Ang goal ng accumulation ng wealth ay para ishare sa may wala.

    Iyong mga mayron na sakim ibang usapan na iyon.
    ang tanong ngayon bro ay ipinamamahagi ba naman nila sa mga wala? o lalo lang nilang kinukuhanan ang mga taong walang-wala na? kagaya ng mga ibang relihyon dian na kunwari ay non-profit pero ginagawang gatasan nila ng kayamanan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n2knee View Post
    ang tanong ngayon bro ay ipinamamahagi ba naman nila sa mga wala? o lalo lang nilang kinukuhanan ang mga taong walang-wala na? kagaya ng mga ibang relihyon dian na kunwari ay non-profit pero ginagawang gatasan nila ng kayamanan.
    Ever heard of Gawad Kalinga?

    Again iyong mga sakim na nagpapayaman para sa sariling interest ibang usapan iyon at hindi iyon ang kinakatayuan ng Iglesya.

    for other details read post #22
    Last edited by froshie1; March 6th, 2008 at 06:33 AM.

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    #28
    Quote Originally Posted by boydapa View Post
    pcensya na embassy nasabi ko ksi uto uto ksi ako uto uto dati eh hehe

    ok ka din ah saludo ako syo para kang si bunye magpaliwanag hindi naaasar pwede ka sa malacanan hehe

    tignan mo naman ang dami ng secta na tumiwalag eh tignan mo naman mga may ari nyan ngayon mga bilyonaryo eh kokonti lng myembro nyan kumpara sa simbahan so dun plang makikita mo na kng gano kadami naibulsa ng simbahan diba. ang lakas nila magsalita na makamahirap sila samatalang yun namamalimos o walang matirhan ni hindi na nila pinapapasok pag gabi.

    tsaka yan simbahan dapat tigilan na nila yan prayer power nilang gimik puro tayo dasal wala naman narating samantalang yun ibang karatig bansa natin ni hindi nagdadasal mga yan(i mean catoliko) eh napagiwanan na tayo. lahat ng malas napunta satin sila puro bwenas.

    kapatid, walang masama maging uto uto basta ba naniniwala ka sa diyos.

    mas magaling sa akin si sec. bunye. ako po ay isang makasalanang tao tulad ng mga paring nabanggit mo. tayo po ay tao lang.

    natural lang sa isang relihiyon na meron tumitiwalag sa kanila. kung sa katoliko ay meron, meron din sa budhismo, muslim at born again christians. walang perpektong tao at wala din perpektong relihiyon. ngunit, mas maigi na meron ka paniniwala at pananalig sa diyos kesa sa wala. ito po ay isang opinion ko lang base sa biblia. tungkol naman sa mga pulubi na hindi pinapapasok sa gabi, yan po ay isolated cases laang. meron kasi ngyari sa malate church na nagnakaw ng santo, cable ng kuryente isang pulubi. hindi mo masisi sila kung meron dahilan man. hindi naman po lahat ng simbahang katoliko ay ganyan tulad ng sinasabi mo. gaya nga ng sinabi ng iba, we have our own free will to join other sects or parish. depende po iyan sa pananaw natin.

    about sa prayer prayer naman, pagpaumanhin ninyo po ako pero hindi po ako sangayon sa sinasabi ninyo. prayers do wonders. eh kung ikaw ay isang taong walang relihiyon ngayon at hindi nanalig sa diyos, wag mo sana i condemn ang mga nananalig at naniniwala sa diyos. we can be a bad catholic but we can become a good christian.

    para sa akin, wala po sa relihiyon iyan. basta may paninindigan ka, paniniwala sa diyos eh iyon po ang pinaka importante. ang mga ginagawa ng simbahang katoliko ay hindi 100% correct. they know it, we know it. even pope john paul II acknowledged the roman catholic church's wrong doings in the past. as ive said, we are not perfect. we, as christian should know through divine intervention what we think is right. nasasa atin po iyan.

    salamat po.

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    #29
    Quote Originally Posted by cutedoc View Post
    i am not sure if this is a joke or a reality and truth but i agree with the later respond, here it goes, a high ranking priest in our town will be having his birthday next friday, he jokingly said, that to those who would like to donate for our church in cash that would be good, in kind those are what we will partake, then somebody ask "priest diba bawal ang lechon kasi biyernes?" the priest answered, indeed it is prohibited, but we could partake the lechon and in return will do a more notable sacrifice...

    tama ba to?

    imo, it doesnt matter, if i eat pork or beef or i dont eat at all, the sacrifice must some form within willingly and whole heartedly, so i will be one of those partaking the lechon next friday, but i do eat pork on fridays of lent.

    somewhat OT: ive talked with a pastor regarding the differences of roman catholic teachings and christian ways, he told me that both are correct, however roman catholic church based their account on some old doctrines, or in todays time deliberated by the conference of bishop like that of CBCP, however christian way are all based on the bible.

    so whats the difference between all the christian, there are several, evangelical, charismatic, born again, they differ in the way the teach the word of god.

    if christianity is purely based on what the bible says, what about, ang dating daan, ang tamang daan, they include the old testament in their ways, and they take the literal meaning of what it stated without analyzing further what is meant, its like they grab a verse on each section of the bible to produce and answer to any of our question, which is relatively incorrect.

    so what about, ink, seventh day adventist, jehovah witnesses, mormons, they do use the same bible but they translate it differently and they have injected some of their norms and belief, including tradition and old popular practices.

    and what about buddism, hiduism, taoism, and being a moslem which follows a different book which is koran, buddha is like jesus in real life form, he practices a genuine and godly way of living, moslem worships allah and vows over what koran says which however is different form what the bible says.

    my talk with the pastor is way more than this, above are just the summary, to know more about God and what he is to say, read the bible, if you dont understand it then have a companion or a guidance with somebody who have more knowledge on it, join a bible study to learn more about God.

    -the good thing about what the pastor told me was, your belief, your faith will come form the heart, you yourself will be wanting to know more about god, its not enough to be good but you know why you are being good=)
    well said kapatid. gaya nga ng sinabi ko, as long as you believe in the supreme being who has given us all the blessing in life, religion wouldn't matter. alam naman po natin na madami kapalpakan at kasalanan ang catholic church. wala naman po nag de-deny sa mga ginawa nila sa past. nasa tao lang po iyan. ang mga pari ay tao din kaya hindi din sila perpekto. ngunit, kailangan ba natin ibalewala ang mga magagandang bagay na kanilang ginawa at tinulong sa ating mga kapatid? di ba mas maganda na may paniniwala at pananalig ang isang tao kesa sa wala? would you condemn the whole police force if 1 or 2 crooked cops are still in their fold? pag wala magrereklamo, walang ebidensiya. pag wala ebidensiya, wala kaso. pag wala kaso, walang nangyayari. priests who practice as such should be punished and banished from the church.

    like i said...we are only human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by n2knee View Post
    :lol: nakasulat nga sa constitution natin pero sinusonud ba? :lol: kaliwa't kanan ang pakikialam ng RC sa mga political affairs ng bansa magmula noong 1986.
    brad, its their moral obligation to the people to guide them. shepperd and the sheep ika nga. pero may puntos ka din kapatid, medyo sumosobra nga ang pangingialam ng ibang pari diyan. dapat ay pagtuunan nalang nila ng pansin ang mas mahahalagang bagay maliban sa politika. pero sana lang, wag naman natin lahatin sila. hindi lahat ng pari ay sunodsunudan sa kanilang pinuno. still, i respect their views just as i want them to respect mine. to each his own ika nga.

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