INC in trouble?

[Juan Martinez]

JM, how can PNP operational procedure override the Bill of Rights? Are these rules even sanctioned under existing jurisprudence? Criminal Procedure provisions?

the way i understand it bro, it is based on everything you mentioned.

[Altis6453]

the way i understand it bro, it is based on everything you mentioned.

I don't know bro. Is Leila De Lima's message as former CHR Chair being used as legal basis? Between you and me that sounds dubious and legally infirm.

[Juan Martinez]

I don't know bro. Is Leila De Lima's message as former CHR Chair being used as legal basis? Between you and me that sounds dubious and legally infirm.

i'm thinking, bro, if it has the green light from the CHR, or if done in collaboration with the latter, it stands to reason to suppose that it also has toed the constitutional line.

[Altis6453]

i'm thinking, bro, if it has the green light from the CHR, or if done in collaboration with the latter, it stands to reason to suppose that it also has toed the constitutional line.

Well, for me, the Rules of Criminal Procedure are explicit as to when you may effect an arrest without a warrant. The PNP operational procedure prescribes that an arresting officer can show the WA later after effecting an arrest? Isn't that exactly what the Bill of Rights prohibits? Isn't that inherently dangerous that it violates civil rights?

Also, a so-called "green light" from the CHR is not the test of constitutionality. You and I know that well.

Again, how can these PNP procedures run directly against the Rules of Court and the Constitution?

[zoomzoom]

Isa na sa pinakata ngang police officer sa PNP.
Di man lang nya tinanong kung sino yung nagdala, bago nya tinanggap yung arrest order? Aba e delikado sa kapulisan ito.....

Marami talaga niyan sa PNP at INC.

[zoomzoom]

What's bogus for me are the following circumstances of the service of the warrant:

1. The policemen who served the warrant did not wear proper uniforms, or were in civilian clothing and were armed

2. Allegedly, they did not provide a copy of the warrant to the lawyer of the accused who demanded to see it. Supposedly, the warrant of arrest bore only an alias associated with Menorca (does he even use an alias?)

3. Allegedly, they did not read the accused his rights under the Miranda doctrine

4. The arresting officers declined to identify themselves

Medyo mahirap ata yan kung papanigan ng huwes. Menorca should not post bail and instead have the warrant quashed for the circumstances aforementioned.

Harassment, pure and simple from a cult that wields unbelievable power in the Philippines. Kakatakot na pinapakita ng kultong ito. Sana matigil na sila. Hindi na tama ginagawa nila.

[Juan Martinez]

Marami talaga niyan sa PNP at INC.

huwag naman. wala pa akong nakilalang tanga na pulis. and i know a lot. yung pulis na sino - short cut nila ang batas di yan tanga ha. magulang o matibay ang puso niyan, pero di yan tanga. wala pa akong narinig na tao na tinatawag niya yung pulis na tanga na hindi nasampal. yung nanampal hindi tanga yan. kung nakabaril dahil sinabihan na tanga, tirador yan at di yan tanga. yung mga nangungutong di rin mga tanga yan. may naririnig akong nag water therapy di rin yan tanga.

tangina pare huwag mong tawaging TANGA yung kapolisan natin.

pag-uwi mo sa bahay mo, pag may nagyayari dun, tatawag ba kayo ng tanga?

[Flipo]

Menorca, SSS pension hike, etc.: My 2 cents' worth
By: Solita Collas-Monsod
Philippine Daily Inquirer
12:50 AM January 23rd, 2016


I CANNOT resist putting in my two cents' worth of comment, or rather questions, on the news reports on what has been going in Metro Manila this week. So here goes.

The Menorca arrest. 1. Two arrest warrants were served on expelled Iglesia ni Cristo worker Lowell Menorca II, both for libel. They were signed by two regional trial court judges all the way from Mindanao�the first by Alberto Quinto of the RTC in Kapatagan (second-class municipality, 2010 population: 53,916), Lanao del Norte, and the second by Wenida Papandayan of Marawi City ("The only Islamic city in the Philippines"), Lanao del Sur. Why anyone in those areas should be exercised about alleged libelous statements made by Menorca, I fail to understand, except if it is to remove the INC center from all blame. Obviously, someone was. And the judges ordering the arrest of Menorca-didn't they have anything better to do? Maybe the Supreme Court administrator should take notice.

2. Then there's the Manila Police Department sending out a "tracker team" (whatever that is)-the members of which weren't in uniform, but in shorts and slippers, for heaven's sake-to arrest Menorca. They found him on his way to the Court of Appeals. According to the MPD spokesperson, a decision was made "on the ground," meaning at the point where they saw Menorca, to give priority to the arrest order rather than to the CA subpoena that Menorca was answering. That doesn't compute. The decision to arrest couldn't have been made on the ground, because Menorca was already on his way to the CA. Isn't it more logical to conclude that the team was bent on preventing Menorca from reaching the court? Ergo, the decision must have been made beforehand.

3. More on the MPD: With all the arrest warrants being issued in Metro Manila, why were the warrants from Mindanao given priority, especially since the alleged crime was only libel-not a heinous crime-and there must be hundreds of warrants for crimes in the city that the MPD could have served?

4. Still talking about the MPD: Its story is that Mrs. Menorca (Seiko "Jinky" Otsuka) grabbed the badge and the arrest warrant from the serving officer, hid these in her car, and then came out to do battle. That shows tremendous presence of mind and calm ability to think on her feet. I saw the video (thank the Lord for cell phones), and noted that Mrs. Menorca is a slender, tiny woman compared to the arresting officer. How could she have gotten his badge and the arrest order, and so quickly? Why didn't the others show their badges? The video showed her in hysterics (not calm), asking them again and again to show their badges, but no answer. And why, if they knew that the arrest warrant was in her car, were they unable to retrieve it?

Leila de Lima showed the strength of her character when she gave her statement regarding the Menorca arrest. Where other politicians have stayed absolutely quiet, no doubt because they are courting the INC vote, Leila unhesitatingly spoke her mind in complete disregard of what it might imply for her personal benefit. That's what we need in the Senate. You have my vote, Leila.

[lsalapare]

Hinay hinay lang sa pagmumura sir. Nakakahiya abogado ka pa naman tapos ganyan lumalabas sa bunganga mo.
Pwede naman sabihin sa magandang paraan.. Madami din akong kilalang pulis at hindi sila tanga, hindi naman siguro sila makaka graduate bilang pulis kung engot sila.

huwag naman. wala pa akong nakilalang tanga na pulis. and i know a lot. yung pulis na sino - short cut nila ang batas di yan tanga ha. magulang o matibay ang puso niyan, pero di yan tanga. wala pa akong narinig na tao na tinatawag niya yung pulis na tanga na hindi nasampal. yung nanampal hindi tanga yan. kung nakabaril dahil sinabihan na tanga, tirador yan at di yan tanga. yung mga nangungutong di rin mga tanga yan. may naririnig akong nag water therapy di rin yan tanga.

tangina pare huwag mong tawaging TANGA yung kapolisan natin.

pag-uwi mo sa bahay mo, pag may nagyayari dun, tatawag ba kayo ng tanga?

[Juan Martinez]

Hinay hinay lang sa pagmumura sir. Nakakahiya abogado ka pa naman tapos ganyan lumalabas sa bunganga mo.
Pwede naman sabihin sa magandang paraan.. mukhang nakakarami kana dito sa forum ng ganyang pananalita.

pare, kung naging pulis ka. pinaaral at pinalamon ka ng isang pulis saka yung tatay mong pulis ay pinaaral at pinalamon din ng isang pulis. kung makarinig ka na nilalait yung pulis, ano, ok lang sayo?

pare, ikaw hinayhinay dyan. ano bang gusto mo?

[minicarph]

Hi JM, ano ba ibig sabihin ng pulis patola? Hanggang ngaun di ko ma-gets

[Juan Martinez]

Hi JM, ano ba ibig sabihin ng pulis patola? Hanggang ngaun di ko ma-gets

hello not-ob, before, it was a description of policemen from the province, kasi baton lang daw ang sandata nila na mukhang patola. hence, the term.

but, overtime, it became a pejorative description nung mga myembro sa hanay na naging routinary na lang yung trabaho nila, nagiging mga magulang. they are scalawags in uniform. ito yung "sa halip na bigyan ng dignidad at respeto ang kanyang uniporme, siya pa ang pasimuno at pangunahing sangkot sa mga masasamang gawain." pero nagkakamali ka kung tatawagin mo silang TANGA.

romeo cempron was from danao, bohol. from the province. he got married to a cebuana doctor. he was a gunner of 55th SAC. he covered police officer christopher lalan so that the latter could escape and live to tell the tale. he died so that others may live. he was a recipient of medalya ng kagitingan (medal of valor).
HE WAS NOT TANGA. HE WAS NOT PULIS PATOLA.

[jaypee10]

kung walang tanga.wala nadin matalino sa mundo sadyang may mga ginawang tanga talaga subalit ang pagka tanga nila at napapakinabangan..

* sir JM

alam kopong hindi lahat ng kapulisan ay tanga.at matalino.pero siguro may nasasalit din kahit papano.

hindi naman nilalahat na ang kapulisan daw ay tanga..para sa aking palagay sa sarili kung dati 100% solid ang respeto at tiwala ng tao sa kapulisan.siguro sa ngayon para sa akin ay 30% nalang ang matino.kabilang ka dun.pati na tatay mo at nagpalamon sayo.70% na puro halang na yata ang bituka..

be cool...

[minicarph]

hello not-ob, before, it was a description of policemen from the province, kasi baton lang daw ang sandata nila na mukhang patola. hence, the term.

but, overtime, it became a pejorative description nung mga myembro sa hanay na naging routinary na lang yung trabaho nila, nagiging mga magulang. they are scalawags in uniform. ito yung "sa halip na bigyan ng dignidad at respeto ang kanyang uniporme, siya pa ang pasimuno at pangunahing sangkot sa mga masasamang gawain." pero nagkakamali ka kung tatawagin mo silang TANGA.

romeo cempron was from danao, bohol. from the province. he got married to a cebuana doctor. he was a gunner of 55th SAC. he covered police officer christopher lalan so that the latter could escape and live to tell the tale. he died so that others may live. he was a recipient of medalya ng kagitingan (medal of valor).
HE WAS NOT TANGA. HE WAS NOT PULIS PATOLA.

Ha? Sino si romeo cempron? General question Lang tanung ko. General na ba sya?

[Juan Martinez]

Ha? Sino si romeo cempron? General question Lang tanung ko. General na ba sya?

not-ob, sa tingin ko di ka naman tanga. matagal ka na dito huwag kang magpa- goryogoryo dyan, unless you want a general problem. yung picture mo nai-post na dito. and your face is not difficult to find. funny thing is, i asked our moderators to take it down in fairness to you. but, you know what, i already have it for posterity. it was taken in 2008. so, nasa early 40s or middle 40s kana ngayon and still wearing that binoculars.

[minicarph]

Hahaha , hinuhuli ko Lang kiliti mo. You're so good investigative policemen. Kwento ka naman life mo dito as policeman o, am so intrigued how you post, tapos you post in quotes and proverb, almost like poetic. It's a rare quality having both

[zoomzoom]

not-ob, sa tingin ko di ka naman tanga, di ba? matagal ka na dito huwag kang magpa- goryogoryo dyan, unless you want a general problem. yung picture mo nai-post na dito. and you are somebody not difficult to find.

Pare cool lang.

Kahit pa kabaro mo sila, that's not enough reason to take things PERSONALLY and issue veiled threats to fellow tsikoteers or to anyone voicing their negative opinion of an institution, person, etc. Wala tayo sa Martial Law.

You have your opinion, we have ours. Ikaw na rin nagsabi may mga "saclawags" sa PNP. You've said your piece and defended it, so let it go. Let's draw the line at that and just agree to disagree.

[minicarph]

not-ob, sa tingin ko di ka naman tanga. matagal ka na dito huwag kang magpa- goryogoryo dyan, unless you want a general problem. yung picture mo nai-post na dito. and your face is not difficult to find. funny thing is, i asked our moderators to take it down in fairness to you. but, you know what, i already have it for posterity. it was taken in 2008. so, nasa early 40s or middle 40s kana ngayon and still wearing that binoculars.

Ah that pic, it was long long time ago. Nag-contacts na ako ngaun para di mukang nerdy. I was really ashamed using my handle to flirt with car girls that time.

[Juan Martinez]

Pare cool lang.

Kahit pa kabaro mo sila, that's not enough reason to take things PERSONALLY and issue veiled threats to fellow tsikoteers or to anyone voicing their negative opinion of an institution, person, etc. Wala tayo sa Martial Law.

You have your opinion, we have ours. Ikaw na rin nagsabi may mga "saclawags" sa PNP. You've said your piece and defended it, so let it go. Let's draw the line at that and just agree to disagree.

pare, lagi naman tayong cool, otherwise wala na tayo sa mundong ito. yes, merong mga scalawags in uniform pero itong mga pulis na ito ay the last person you would call as "TANGA." no person will ever be admitted in the service if he is a SIMPLETON. we all went through neuro - psychiatric examination. you can label them anything but not tanga.

as i said, kung meron mang alarma dyan, i don't think you would say: "tumawag naman kayo ng mga TANGA." saka tumawag tayo ng pulis dahil trabaho nila yan at di natin kaya yung trabaho nila. and to tell you frankly, i'm not making threats, veiled or otherwise. i am in the visayas right now, pag makapunta ako dyan i'll contact you or anybody else who is minded to to meet you in person. andami ko ng tao na met sa buhay na nagtapangtapangan lang pero wala naman pala.

pare, pamilya namin puro mga pulis from my grandfather to my father to me, and we have done so much including putting our lives on the line. in national police college, we teach non-commisioned and commissioned police officers. i haven't come across anyone who is a SIMPLETON.

this is a forum where ideas are exchanged, but this is not a license to disparage people who are doing their job as law enforcers, who are ready to die to uphold their duties. and we saw men, young men doing just that.

if you want, i can invite you or anybody here to our school and see for yourself that di naman talaga mga tanga ito.

[minicarph]

jM, pwede ka ba namin I-report sa NPA kasi tinatakot mo kami dito lol ... Jok lang. [emoji111]

Kung grandfather mo police tapos father mo police, how was it like to grow up with strict parents? Or were they strict at all?