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[Mile2]

Siguradong may hihirit dyan ng John 1:1 pakitanong muna nyo ang mga pastor nyo at pari kung ano ang nilalaman nyan sa old manuscript lalo na kung ano ang Word na binabanggit dyan, tanungin nyo kung ano ang pinanggalingan translation sa Hebrew at Greek

Eto po yon:

Hebrew - DABAR
GREEK - LOGOS
ENGLISH - gamitin ko na po ang site ng Protestant Dabar - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - New American Standard
daw-bar' Verb
Definition
to speak, declare, converse, command, promise, warn, threaten, sing

Malinaw po verb yan at di noun. dahil yung iba they are trying to bleed John 1:1 as doctrine that Christ was God. Kaya po sinasabing sa John 1:1 na ang Salita ay Dios dahil ang nagsasalita ay Dios.

[ozcity]

Ano kaparusahan ng mga member nyo kung sakaling lumabag sila sa patakaran ng inc?..halimbawa yung pagiinuman ng patago?..para ipagtuturo ko ung gumagawa..hehe

Pwede ba ako maging inc pero walang cash involve?

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[_Cathy_]

Pwede ba ako maging inc pero walang cash involve?

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I am curious too. Pano yung mga adults na walang income pero gusto mag INC?

[Dark Lord]

Council of nicaea eh?

Did INC consider the fact that the bible underwent additions and redactions before (yes even the time before nicaea) it became what is known to be the bible of today? Did INC consider the fact that the scriptures in the bible were not written immediately when events transpired (because these passed on from mouths to mouths)?

Yung ibang tao kasi ang pinagbabasahan sa pagpasok sa religion ay pansarling pakinabang at relasyon nila sa ibang tao.

Di ba dapat ang basehan natin ay yung pinaka-basic - SINO BA ANG DIYOS NA KINIKILALA NG RELIGION NA AANIBAN MO?

Daming so called Christians denominations pero sino ba ang kinikilala nila Diyos? yung bang DIYOS ng biblia o diyos na pinatupad ng Emperor ng Roma noong 325 AD?

FACT:

1.Read the Bible from cover to cover, you will not read the preaching of 3 person God, you will not read that Christ is God, you will not read that the Holy Spirit is God.

2.READ the BIBLE and you'll found out that only the Father is God as stated by the Most Trustworthy Witness of All - Christ Jesus. the Father is the God of the Apostles, the Father is the GOD of Moses, the Father is the GOD of Abraham.the Father is the God of David, the Father is the God of the early Christians.

3. Christ is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Father either.

4. Valentinus the [Gnostic] heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him On the Three Natures. For he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he is discovered to have filched this from Hermes, Plato and Aristotle. (Source: AHB Logan: Marcellus of Ancyra (Pseudo-Anthimus), On the Holy Church: Text, Translation and Commentary. Verses 8-9. Journal of Theological Studies, NS, Volume 51, Pt. 1, April 2000, p.95 ).

[170kphlang]

Tutal nasa uspang religion na tong topic. May tanong lang ako sa mga born again.. Bakit ang mga churches ng born again ay hindi united?. Sa place namin bawat kanto may ibat ibang fellowship group na iba ibang name. Nagulat ako may high end pang fellowship group like Victory.

Di ba parang mas ok kung maging united sila like INC, Catholic, ADD etc. Ano kaya reason bat ayaw nilang mag merge bilang 1 organization na lang. Iba iba din kaya interpretation nila sa bible?.. just my 2 cents..

Btw im a Catholic




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[Walter]

A lot of their members drink and smoke.

[Dark Lord]

Council of nicaea eh?

Did INC consider the fact that the bible underwent additions and redactions before (yes even the time before nicaea) it became what is known to be the bible of today? Did INC consider the fact that the scriptures in the bible were not written immediately when events transpired (because these passed on from mouths to mouths)?

Sorry mga mods, OT na.wag mo nasagutin miles2 at hahaba lang.

[Mile2]

Council of nicaea eh?

Did INC consider the fact that the bible underwent additions and redactions before (yes even the time before nicaea) it became what is known to be the bible of today? Did INC consider the fact that the scriptures in the bible were not written immediately when events transpired (because these passed on from mouths to mouths)?

What most people call the "Nicene Creed" today is actually not the original creed but the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed as modified at the Council of Constantinople. Some phrases were deleted and others were added.

The Didache

The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles
(60 - 120 A.D.)

The Didache contains a certain flavour and content very similar to the Synoptic gospels, the book of Acts, and the book of James. In this book, "Almighty God" is recognized to be simply the Father and the "Lord" is Jesus His servant-son (cf. Acts 2:36). Describing Jesus as God's servant-son is very typical of the Synoptic Gospels and Acts.

[ozcity]

Minsan gusto ko ng maniwala na ang religion ang syang nagpapahirap sa tao..buti pa yung kasama ko sa trabaho walang relihiyon pero ang ganda ng buhay nya...ang bait pa...para sa akin tama na yung wag ka manlamang sa kapwa at gumawa ka na lang ng kabutihan sa kapwa..kahit wag ka ng magsimba ...

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[chua_riwap]

peborits kong "kapatid" si klaudia koronel......:naughty2:.

[Dark Lord]

Ay naku talaga. Ot na nga eh. Hindi nga nagpapasok ang bahay sambahan nyo sa mga nangangailangan nung humagupit ang unos.

Yung verb nyo ay naging in flesh. Pano nangyare na nakaligtaan yan? Yan nicene creed and the other following councils molded the bible that inc uses up to now. Kaya medyo malabo ka brad. Ayoko na. i rest my case.

John 1:1-2, 14-15, 34

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth.
John testified to him and cried out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'The one who is coming after me ranks ahead of me because he existed before me.'"

Now I have seen and testified that he is the Son of God."

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."

John 10:30
"The Father and I are one."

John 20: 28
Thomas answered and said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

What most people call the "Nicene Creed" today is actually not the original creed but the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed as modified at the Council of Constantinople. Some phrases were deleted and others were added.

The Didache

The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles
(60 - 120 A.D.)

The Didache contains a certain flavour and content very similar to the Synoptic gospels, the book of Acts, and the book of James. In this book, "Almighty God" is recognized to be simply the Father and the "Lord" is Jesus His servant-son (cf. Acts 2:36). Describing Jesus as God's servant-son is very typical of the Synoptic Gospels and Acts.

[Mile2]

Ay naku talaga. Ot na nga eh. Hindi nga nagpapasok ang bahay sambahan nyo sa mga nangangailangan nung humagupit ang unos.

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Watch New Zealand news

New Zealand News will show that this thread and this topic thread was a false accusation.

Conditions 'hellish' for Philippines survivors
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Conditions 'hellish' for Philippines survivors - Story - World - 3 News

WATCH THIS GERMAN NEWS shown locally in Germany.

1. Areal view of Ormoc City Before and After typhoon Yolanda.

2. How Ormoc City was reached by INC representatives from Manila.

Philippinen: Immer mehr Rettungsteams erreichen das Katastrophengebiet
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Yung verb nyo ay naging in flesh. Pano nangyare na nakaligtaan yan? Yan nicene creed and the other following councils molded the bible that inc uses up to now. Kaya medyo malabo ka brad. Ayoko na. i rest my case.

John 1:1-2, 14-15, 34

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father's only Son, full of grace and truth.
John testified to him and cried out, saying, "This was he of whom I said, 'The one who is coming after me ranks ahead of me because he existed before me.'"

Now I have seen and testified that he is the Son of God."

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."

John 10:30
"The Father and I are one."

John 20: 28
Thomas answered and said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."

Even the blind man said I AM or ego emi,can we simply equate the blind man as "GOD"? of course no.

John 10:30
"The Father and I are one."

Wala pong sinasabi sa talata na Dios si Cristo - Basahin nyo ang buong John 10, wala kayong mababasa na si Cristo ay Dios. John 10:30 implies that the Father and Christ are one in tending the flock.

John 20: 28
Thomas answered and said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Keeping in mind that John 20:28 is embedded and framed in Jesus' statements about seeing and believing, carefully regard what Jesus taught us with respect to John 20:28.

Verse.................................Jesus....... ................................The Father
John 12:44..........................He who BELIEVES in ME..........[BELIEVES] in HIM who sent me.
John 12:45 ..........................He who SEES ME....................SEES HIM who sent me
John 14:9............................He who has SEEN ME..............has SEEN THE FATHER.
John 20:28..........................MY LORD.................................and MY GOD.

We have seen that preceding verse and the following verse of John 20:28, the immediate context, is about seeing and believing. Thomas' statement is embedded and framed by Jesus' comments on seeing and believing. Jesus explained on at least two occasions what it means to see and believe in him - that to see and believe in him was to see and believe in the Father.

And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me. He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me." (John 12:44-45).

He who has seen Me has seen the Father. (John 14:9).

My Lord and My God. (John 20:28).

The Greek Text

Thomas' words to Jesus in Greek literally read, "the Lord of me and the God of me." In Greek this is how one would refer to two persons. If one wanted to refer to one person he would say, "the Lord and God of me." This is confirmed by the first and Sixth Granville Sharp rules. However, Trinitarians make a convenient exception to the sixth rule for this particular verse.

[Dark Lord]

Nood ka muna ng International News sa New Zealand at Germany eto link tapos tanungin mo puso mo kung malinis ba ang ang

INC worship center survives 'Yolanda' | ABS-CBN News

11 families... Reported by eagle news which is owned by INC. Gano kadami populasyon? Pakisilip dito Tacloban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Kahit gawin natin 10 members per family: 110 people laang yan out of the estimated 1,100 people per 1 square kilometer, based on density. Theres a likelihood that the kiwi and german reporter picked up the lucky guy who was allowed to enter the sambahan.

Hindi nako sasagot sa bible verses at doktrina nyo. Halata naman na iniiwasan lang yung mga punto ko at kung hindi naman eh classic case of different misinterpretations. Peace! Hehehe!

[Mile2]

INC worship center survives 'Yolanda' | ABS-CBN News

11 families... Reported by eagle news which is owned by INC. Gano kadami populasyon? Pakisilip dito Tacloban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Kahit gawin natin 10 members per family: 110 people laang yan out of the estimated 1,100 people per 1 square kilometer, based on density. Theres a likelihood that the kiwi and german reporter picked up the lucky guy who was allowed to enter the sambahan.

Hindi nako sasagot sa bible verses at doktrina nyo. Halata naman na iniiwasan lang yung mga punto ko at kung hindi naman eh classic case of different misinterpretations. Peace! Hehehe!

Peace din sa yo, isipin mo lang kung malinis ang puso mo sa pagparatang na di pinapasok sa kapilya namin ang di kapatid nuong panahaon ng bagyo

[radz15]

most of the time ito sagot diyan pre.. :D

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Hahahaha! Natawa naman ako dun! Well. Yun nga din yung sa tingin kong dahilan. Malamang kaya nag born again si Paquiao dahil dun :D

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[testament11]

Kasi naman, wala naman masama kung aaminin na may mali sa tinuturo ng INC eh. Nabubuking na kayo kaya ayaw na ninyo sumagot. O kaya ayaw niyo sumagot dahil narerealize na ninyo yun mga maling tinuturo sa inyo ni Manalo.

Never ever in my whole life na narinig kong mas mataas pa si Manalo ke Jesus Christ. For God's sake, hindi niyo pwedeng sabihin yan.

Jesus = Holy Spirit = Father God. Iisa lang ang Diyos, 3 persona, pero ilan ang Diyos? 1 lang...

Ulit ah, metamorphic ang bible. Di ito dapat iniinterpret ng kung sino-sinong tao lang. Di rin dapat nga ito ginagawang course dahil walang nakakaalam ng totoong meaning ng bible.

[ozcity]

Jesus = Holy Spirit = Father God. Iisa lang ang Diyos, 3 persona, pero ilan ang Diyos? 1 lang...
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Ito yung naging topic nung nag attend ako sa isang mass ng inc

They are comparing 3 religions kung ilan talaga ang diyos..inc explains na 3 daw and diyos ng catholic..pero ang inc daw e iisa lang..diko na matandaan yung isa pang relihiyon na kinukumpara nila..


Saka bakit palagi pinagdidiinan ng inc yung "the church of christ"..palagi ko naririnig yan na
Paulitulit sa pagtitipon nila..

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[Mile2]

Kasi naman, wala naman masama kung aaminin na may mali sa tinuturo ng INC eh. Nabubuking na kayo kaya ayaw na ninyo sumagot. O kaya ayaw niyo sumagot dahil narerealize na ninyo yun mga maling tinuturo sa inyo ni Manalo.

Never ever in my whole life na narinig kong mas mataas pa si Manalo ke Jesus Christ. For God's sake, hindi niyo pwedeng sabihin yan.

Jesus = Holy Spirit = Father God. Iisa lang ang Diyos, 3 persona, pero ilan ang Diyos? 1 lang...

Ulit ah, metamorphic ang bible. Di ito dapat iniinterpret ng kung sino-sinong tao lang. Di rin dapat nga ito ginagawang course dahil walang nakakaalam ng totoong meaning ng bible.

heto ang classic na explanation ng mga Trinitarians pag hindi makasagot wala silang mabasa sa Bible na si Crito at mga Apostle ay nagturo ng 3 person God kaya ang palusot nila metamorphic :tvcomedy:

Di nila matanggap na ang 3 person God ay wala sa Bible, pinatupad lang ito ng Roman Emperor kaya nga yung pinakamalking religion ang pangalan ay Roman Catholic Church :question:

here's the false logic of Trinatarians

John 1:1 - Jesus is God

1. Trinitarians assume the Logos is a reference to a person and mentally replace the words "the Word" with "Jesus" and read their preconceived doctrine into the text.
2. The verse does not say, "the Word is God," or "Jesus is God," or "Jesus was God." John 1:14 reads, "the Word became flesh.
3. Trinitarians define the word "God" in two different ways (i.e. the Word was with [1. the Father] and the Word was [2. divine]) even though both instances of the word "God", Greek theos, are joined by the conjunction kai ("and"), and the Greek word order is, "with God and God" (pros ton theon kai theos). That John used two different definitions of the same word in one breath, "God and God," is extremely unlikely.
4. John points us back to Genesis chapter 1 three times, (1) "In the beginning," (2) All things were made through the Word, and (3) the light shines in the darkness.
5. We know that "in the beginning" God created all things by his spoken Word.

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John 8:58
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."

Even the blind man said I AM or ego emi,can we simply equate the blind man as "GOD"? of course no.

John 10:30
"The Father and I are one."

Wala pong sinasabi sa talata na Dios si Cristo - Basahin nyo ang buong John 10, wala kayong mababasa na si Cristo ay Dios. John 10:30 implies that the Father and Christ are one in tending the flock.

John 20: 28
Thomas answered and said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Keeping in mind that John 20:28 is embedded and framed in Jesus' statements about seeing and believing, carefully regard what Jesus taught us with respect to John 20:28.

Verse.................................Jesus....... ................................The Father
John 12:44..........................He who BELIEVES in ME..........[BELIEVES] in HIM who sent me.
John 12:45 ..........................He who SEES ME....................SEES HIM who sent me
John 14:9............................He who has SEEN ME..............has SEEN THE FATHER.
John 20:28..........................MY LORD.................................and MY GOD.

We have seen that preceding verse and the following verse of John 20:28, the immediate context, is about seeing and believing. Thomas' statement is embedded and framed by Jesus' comments on seeing and believing. Jesus explained on at least two occasions what it means to see and believe in him - that to see and believe in him was to see and believe in the Father.

And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me. He who sees Me sees Him who sent Me." (John 12:44-45).

He who has seen Me has seen the Father. (John 14:9).

My Lord and My God. (John 20:28).

The Greek Text

Thomas' words to Jesus in Greek literally read, "the Lord of me and the God of me." In Greek this is how one would refer to two persons. If one wanted to refer to one person he would say, "the Lord and God of me." This is confirmed by the first and Sixth Granville Sharp rules. However, Trinitarians make a convenient exception to the sixth rule for this particular verse.

The Antichrist
1 John 2:18: Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist is coming, so now many Antichrists have come; therefore we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22: Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3: and every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of Antichrist, of which you heard that it was coming, and now it is in the world already.

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I am curious too. Pano yung mga adults na walang income pero gusto mag INC?

Mile2, pakisagot naman ito. :bwahaha: