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    #1
    Would we still change kahit ma impeach c Ms. Arroyo?

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    mtagal na nawala optimism ko sa gvt. after erap la na.....

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    IMO, even if we change the president of this country everyday but we don't do our bit to change then it doesn't matter if what type of president we put. Mahatir and Lee Kwan Yew pointed out in the past that, while us Filipinos really have the potential to be great, we lack discipline.

    Just look at these lefttist/rightists groups. No matter who sits there at Malacaņan, they always find a reason to ctiticize the person. Marcos, Cory, Ramos, Erap and now Gloria. I think even if you put Noli Boy, Lacson, Fred Lim, Miriam or Bayani Agbayani in the top seat of political power, they'd still find reason wht the person is not fit to be president.

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    I like KilosBayan's advertisement... it goes something like this:

    "We may have changed presidents, the form of government, the constitution...

    But did anything change at all?

    Change must start from the self"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda
    I like KilosBayan's advertisement... it goes something like this:

    "We may have changed presidents, the form of government, the constitution...

    But did anything change at all?

    Change must start from the self"
    yep..i agree. but we need a leader who will put in courage to his/her people.

    iba-iba kasi pag-iisip natin eh... meron ibang nasa isip eh tumulong, meron din naman ibang nasa isip eh samantalahin ang kapangyarihan habang nasa pwesto.

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    nope...decipline is the answer...naalala ko na snatch yung bag ko dito sa AU
    kinabukasan nakuha ko din tinwagan ako ng police may nagsoli daw nung bag ko..hehehehhe..ang nawala lang sa bag ko e yung 10dollar na sukli sa akin sa KFC..hahahahahaha..pati magnanakaw dito disiplinado..

    magagaling naman ang pinoy kaso kulang talaga sa desiplina..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozcity
    nope...decipline is the answer...naalala ko na snatch yung bag ko dito sa AU
    kinabukasan nakuha ko din tinwagan ako ng police may nagsoli daw nung bag ko..hehehehhe..ang nawala lang sa bag ko e yung 10dollar na sukli sa akin sa KFC..hahahahahaha..pati magnanakaw dito disiplinado..

    magagaling naman ang pinoy kaso kulang talaga sa desiplina..
    yes. disiplina ang kailangan. pero (ulit) kailangan natin may mamumuno sa pag didisiplina...

    alam naman natin (tulad ngayon) na wala talagang disiplina karamihan sa ating mga pinoy... pero pano mababago ito kung walang manghuhuli sa mga lumalabag sa batas? hindi naman yan pagkagising lang sa umaga eh...disiplinado na lahat ng tao.

    naniniwala ako na kailangan pa rin natin ng matinong pinuno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baiskee
    yes. disiplina ang kailangan. pero (ulit) kailangan natin may mamumuno sa pag didisiplina...

    alam naman natin (tulad ngayon) na wala talagang disiplina karamihan sa ating mga pinoy... pero pano mababago ito kung walang manghuhuli sa mga lumalabag sa batas? hindi naman yan pagkagising lang sa umaga eh...disiplinado na lahat ng tao.

    naniniwala ako na kailangan pa rin natin ng matinong pinuno.
    Pareho tayo bai! Hangga't walang matinong mamumuno sa ating bayan walang mangyayari sa atin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baiskee
    pero pano mababago ito kung walang manghuhuli sa mga lumalabag sa batas? hindi naman yan pagkagising lang sa umaga eh...disiplinado na lahat ng tao.

    naniniwala ako na kailangan pa rin natin ng matinong pinuno.
    yung nga sir ang problema..hindi mo na kailangan ng "manghuhuli" kung ang karamihan ay sumusunod sa batas..ang problema kasi napakadaming batas sa pilipinas na hindi nasusunod..

    example sa isang intersection, 6 na traffic enforcer ang nakatayo para mag ayos ng traffic...bakit kailangan ng traffic enforcer kung yung mga motorista ay may desiplina at sumusunod sa batas trapiko??..para saan pa yung traffic light? kung ang masusunod din naman e yung mga taong nakatayo dun sa gitna para magayos ng trapiko

    lack of decipline ang pumapatay sa Pilipinas..
    Last edited by ozcity; September 5th, 2005 at 11:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baiskee
    yep..i agree. but we need a leader who will put in courage to his/her people.

    iba-iba kasi pag-iisip natin eh... meron ibang nasa isip eh tumulong, meron din naman ibang nasa isip eh samantalahin ang kapangyarihan habang nasa pwesto.
    I disagree, courage cannot be put to somebody.

    "The virtue of courage, lies at the mean between the excessive extreme of rashness, and the deficient extreme of cowardice." - Aristotle

    from that alone, kitang-kita na kung ano karamihan ng mga pilipino ngayon, yun mga pinoy na "blame ng blame" hence being rash/hostile to the "blamee", and yun mga pinoy na "suko ng suko sa buhay" hence being cowardice/indifferent to our situation.

    none of us has the courage to do what is perhaps more simpler to do than we think, reconcile and forgive and support one another, even our leaders. The sooner we gather the courage to overcome our differences & indifferences, the easier we achieve positive change.
    Last edited by oldblue; September 7th, 2005 at 04:32 AM.

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    No matter who sits in power, if the prevailing atmosphere of patronage politics persists, we'll still get nowhere. The presidency is not some magic talisman that will get things done overnight; presidents are only as good as the people who elected them to power. Kahit santo pa ang iboto, kung demonyo naman ang mamamayan, susuko din ang liderato.

    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda
    I like KilosBayan's advertisement... it goes something like this:

    "We may have changed presidents, the form of government, the constitution...

    But did anything change at all?

    Change must start from the self"
    OT: proud ako diyan. Misis ko gumawa niyan eh.

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    i doubt it. Change is possible...pero it would take a long time before that happens to us.
    "change must start from the self"--now that's hard...but also very true.

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    kailangan naten na leader na magsasabi sa ten..."DI KO KAYO TA-TAN-TANAN!" hehehe

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    yes there will be a change. ang tanong nga lang eh change for the BETTER or change for the WORSE (if not WORST). i still remember what ERAP said nung pinapatalsik sya. "I will not leave my presidency. I will not let our country become a BANANA republic!" pero ewan bumama pa rin sya. itong si GMA ok lang naman na di sya bumama eh. pero obvious naman noh ang ginagawa nya at ng kanyang pamilya na mga kalokohan. ginagawa tayong tanga at tayo naman eh pumapayag na maging tanga. ewan. kahit pa siguro magsimula sa ating mga mamamayan ang pagababago kung pumapayag naman tayo na lokohin ng mga manloloko na nasa gobyerno wala rin.

    anyway para sa akin lang naman eh kung ayaw mong magpaloko at maging tanga, umalis ka na lang sa bansang ito. tsk tsk tsk tsk tsk. nakakaawang Pilipinas.

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    Hi! very interesting topic...

    There will always be a change no matter how small...
    Discipline of the people is the answer but it is the MOST DIFFICULT to acheive!
    Kaya nga pinagdidiskatahan ang mga namumuno kasi parang easiest ito sa mga solutions...controversy-media-congress/senate inquiry-impeachment-then rallly(people power)... Asan ang ACTIONS/SOLUTIONS pertaining to IMPROVEMENT IN DISCIPLINE?...WALA!!!
    Kaya hanap pa rin tayo ng initiator ...the President pa rin yun! kung pede lang ba buhayin si Ninoy....tsk.tsk.tsk
    Pero we Filipinos should never give up until we choose the best person to be our President, if we are not going to push trough changes, paano natin malalaman ang future? Risk yan lagi, tulad ng PAGKAKAMALI ng majority ng pilipino na ibinoto ang mga tao sa congress at senado. Lahat sila ginagawa tayong mga tanga! Tayong taxpayers ang amo nila yet sila ang abusado sa ginagawa nila sa gobyerno.

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    well, just to quote Rizal: "Tal Pueblo, Tal Govierno" (Kung ano ang mamamayan , ganun din ang gobyerno.)

    or JFK: "...people get the government they deserve."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantoy
    well, just to quote Rizal: "Tal Pueblo, Tal Govierno" (Kung ano ang mamamayan , ganun din ang gobyerno.)

    or JFK: "...people get the government they deserve."
    how true

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    Sa aking palagay ay kahit magpalit tayo ng presidente araw eh di parin titino ang bansa natin,kasi wala tayong desiplina at pagkakaisa.palitan mo ang presidente ngayon,bukas sa isang linggo,isang buwan,o' isang taon naandyan na naman yang mga kritiko at mga di kungtento sa gobyerno.paulit-ulit lang ang nangyayari walang katapusan ang ganitong sistema.lumalabas kasi lahat gustong umupo sa MALACANANG.kaya walang tigil ang gulo.pina-iiral ang kanya-kanya at kami-kami,walang pagkakaisa.Ang isang bansa para umunlad ay kailangan una muna ang maging disiplinado ang mamayan at may pagkakaisa ayon sa ikauunlad ng bayan.

    Pero para sa akin mahal ko parin ang pilipinas kahit anong klase ang mayroon ang bansa natin,still iam proud to be PINOY, dasal kuna lang sana mabago na ang takbo ng ating bansa at muling makilala sa buong mundo dahil alam kung may sapat tayong kakayahan at talino...

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    Even if the opposition succeeds in ousting GMA by going to the streets, it won't solve our problems. May even get worse.

    Come to think of it, we're no better than the coup-prone banana republics of Africa and Latin American countries, where the leaders are ousted/killed by their own subordinates. And they too are wasted by their own trusted junior officers.

    Iba lang tayo, we don't kill our leaders if we don't like them...at least not yet.

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    But I didn't vote in this government... (US Passport holder... "I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien, I'm an American in..." ), and I didn't even vote in MY government...

    It's sad for us who don't vote in these people who we know will do these things, and yet other people do it for us!!!!

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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