GMA NEWS: 'Nicole' may have been pressured to leave RP

[ab_initio]

^^ it's a come hell or high water decision.

[lugarai]

^^ it's a come hell or high water decision.

What if malaman natin na US helped her to change her identity pagdating sa US? AT yun din ang tanung ko bakit sa U.S.

When i heard the news medyo nanikip ang dibdib ko. Hindi katwiran na nagsawa nalang daw si Nicole kakahintay ng justice. Eh pwede naman syang tumahimik nalang at pabayaang gumulong ang hustisya kesa maglabas ng ganung statement.

Sabi sa news dati may kaya naman daw ang pamilya ni Nicole kaya malayu daw na prostitute sya gaya ng marami. Pero bakit ngayun gusto nya sa US? Well kung totoo man na narape sya at ngayun is nagsasalita sya ng kontra tungkol sa nangyari just to get a green card well pokpok nga sya talaga..Medyo higit nga lang sa mga Class A.

At kung hindi naman totoo na narape sya at gagawa gawa nya lang yun para magkabuhay na mganda...well...ganun parin..POKPOK...

ang mahirap neto, di mo maiiwasan na ang mundo ay maging iisa ang tingin sa lahat ng pinay....

[kenzie]

What if malaman natin na US helped her to change her identity pagdating sa US? .

At kung hindi naman totoo na narape sya at gagawa gawa nya lang yun para magkabuhay na mganda...well...ganun parin..POKPOK...

mang mahirap neto, di o maiiwasan na ang mundo ay maging iisa ang tingin sa lahat ng pinay....

hehehe of course US is helping her and backing her now WHO else? alam na natin so may magagawa ba tayo wala din di ba ....

if anything hindi lang si NICOLE ang magiging dahilan o kung bakit may mga ganyang banyaga na iisa ang tingin sa pinays... realistically speaking hindi ang naging sitwasyon ni NICOLE ang punot dulo ....

[Horsepower]

I can't believe the amount of support for Nicole in this thread.

Even to people with IQ lower than 10, obviously, something was cooked.

China harassed Impeccable ship.

US sent WARships to the area.

China sent out it's warship and submarines.

Ships only can travel so far so it needs a base station.

US thinks.. hmmmm...

Aha! Philippines is in the area with its corrupt government.

Barok calls the chasing midget (the imbecile who calls herself president). So giddy that she'll sell the country for a gram of lead.

Obviously, they need to use the Philippines but due to the rape case and the battle for custody, current atmosphere isn't in favor of VFA and its needed expansion. I know, says one of the two, let's fix the case of smith. You fix your side, I'll fix my side. Notice how everything went so smoothly?

Everybody has a price, that's a given but whether or not it's your choice to sell out is another question.

Whether or not Nicole was a prostitute is not the issue. She was carried out of the bar because she was too drunk. Her being drunk is not a license for anyone to violate her rights as a human being.

As a man, I never have *** with drunk girls because I believe that only men who don't have self-respect do those kind of despicable things. If only smith followed that rule amongst noblemen, he never would've had a problem.

Actually, her being a prostitute is debatable. She finished her studies at Ateneo, an elitist school which requires its students to have a lot of financial reserves. She's a degree holder, not some out of school youth.

Ask yourself: as a levelheaded person, if you think you can milk millions of dollars from a foreign govt, would you sell out for 100K??? that's measly $2,000. You can spend all of that in less than five minutes.*

Now, if your own Gov't tells you to recant and fly to US or else your whole family will be massacred (which is what they often do to dissidents), what would you do?

[lazyfoot]

i'm not siding with anyone but there are some disturbing questions that needs to be answered.
1. why sell out for only 100K pesos. no atenean would sell out for that small amount.
2. why an american bf? if you've got a bad experience with an american guy why get close to one again? or go to america why not australia?

I really hope it's just a simple case of buyout and whitewash. Can you imagine the implication if she was really lying and he's not really guilty? can you imagine the implication that our supreme court gave a guilty verdict based on a relatively weak evidence (weak being that some of the evidence are still not 100% solid, there were still arguments that needs to be answered. A guilty verdict should only be handed out if there is absolutely 0% reasonable doubt)?

[chua_riwap]

Here's a portion of Tulfo's column in Inquirer:


http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquire...ated-on-Nicole

I woke up Wednesday morning in very high spirits because I had been vindicated.

You think I like siding with a foreigner over a compatriot?

You think it didn’t hurt when my own sister, Wanda, called from Davao City to tell me many people in the city hated me for my stand on the Subic rape case?

But a journalist worth his salt has to uphold the truth as he perceives it no matter how unpopular his stand is.

* * *

Now, why was I so steadfast in my stand that Nicole was never raped, and that she and Smith had consensual ***?

In Zamboanga City, where Nicole comes from, there was no rally in support of her because they know her very well.

Why was there no rally in support of her in her own city?

Nicole’s friend from Zamboanga said aptly in Chavacano, the dialect spoken in the city: “Ta man biga na hombre guapo (She loves to flirt with good-looking men).”

Let’s not kid ourselves: By Filipino standards, Daniel Smith, the man she accused of raping her, is guapo or good-looking.

How could Nicole have been raped when at that time she was wearing tight-fitting jeans?

A Court of Appeals justice, now deceased, told me that for a woman to avoid getting raped all she has to do when she goes out at night is wear tight-fitting jeans.

And why would Nicole’s rapist have time to put on a condom when rape is a crime that’s supposed to be hurriedly done?

[testament11]

so, ano pala ang gusto palabasin? that "nicole" eh 1 natural flirt girl?

hahaha... ako, sa nakikita ko sa mukha ni "nicole" eh parang ganun nga. tsk tsk tsk...

[mayhem]

so, ano pala ang gusto palabasin? that "nicole" eh 1 natural flirt girl?

hahaha... ako, sa nakikita ko sa mukha ni "nicole" eh parang ganun nga. tsk tsk tsk...

She's indeed the smartest among them (flirts)...

kunsabagay, anu nga ba naman mapapala nya sa media hindi naman sya binigyan ng pera, ni hindi nga pinatok ng mga movie producers para gawan ng movie...

so, plan B sya agad... amicable settlement which is the best solution...

a whore is still a whore no matter what....

[roberto_minosa]

She's indeed the smartest among them (flirts)...

kunsabagay, anu nga ba naman mapapala nya sa media hindi naman sya binigyan ng pera, ni hindi nga pinatok ng mga movie producers para gawan ng movie...

so, plan B sya agad... amicable settlement which is the best solution...

a whore is still a whore no matter what....

AMEN to this.

There's no argument on whether she's a prostitute or not. A whore is still a whore no matter what. And if I may add, even if being a whore is her profession. And rape or not, shame on her for being a slut.

*on political correctness of terms, I think that politically incorrect terms are excusable on such politically incorrect matter.

Beer and popcorn please...

[ab_initio]

*on political correctness of terms, I think that politically incorrect terms are excusable on such politically incorrect matter.

Beer and popcorn please...

if this is politically incorrect, (are you referring to this exercise?),Sir why are we giving our two cents by the way?

[roberto_minosa]

if this is politically incorrect, (are you referring to this exercise?),Sir why are we giving our two cents by the way?

No, not the exercise of speaking out, being a slut is politically incorrect behavior. Hence the politically incorrect term. In a forum, it's ok to say politically incorrect terms for the sake of exercising opinion so long as forum rules are not violated. Hence, we are being politically correct while we are following such rules.

[ab_initio]

^^well, i am just suggesting to give our posts some class...to rise above those political and social imperfections. but if you insist, then well...this is a free country. do whatever those that please you.

[chua_riwap]

Another one from Tulfo:


http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquire...Goon-mentality
22 Mar 2009

After making a big mess of the relations between the United States and the Philippines because of her rape case, Suzette Nicolas, a.k.a. “Nicole,” left the country for the US.

She said she wanted to get on with her life. She should never be allowed to live a peaceful life after she’s done.

She and her lawyer should be made to account for turning the country’s justice system upside down and inside out in accusing American serviceman Marine Lance Cpl. Daniel Smith of rape.

Smith has been convicted by the Makati regional trial court and his continued detention inside the US Embassy compound has been a thorn on the side of RP-US relations.

Now Nicole tells us it was consensual *** and may not have been rape and leaves people holding the bag.

She should be extradited from the US to face perjury charges here.

* * *

Zambales Rep. Mitos Magsaysay should have come out earlier to say that Nicole was not raped.

Magsaysay could have spared an innocent man from a life sentence.

The Zambales congresswoman said Nicole did not complain of rape when the latter talked to her after the incident, but only expressed fear her mother would scold her for staying out all night.

The driver of the van where Nicole claimed she was raped told Magsaysay, and later testified in court, he heard no shouts from Nicole such as “No, no” or “Stop, stop” at the back of the van.

[testament11]

in short, niloko niya ang buong bansa...

[Horsepower]

from one of the better columnists...

Theres The Rub
[SIZE=5]A fate worse than rape[/SIZE]

By Conrado de Quiros
Philippine Daily Inquirer

There are in fact three rapes here. The first one is the rape of Nicole.


Is that still true after Nicole recanted?

But of course. Sen. Loren Legarda has a point about the recantation being shot full of holes. To begin with, why on earth should Nicole wish to relocate to the country of birth of the man she accused of raping her? And whom she has just now cleared of the crime?

That point raises still other questions: One, how did she manage to get a visa from the US Embassy? And two, why aren’t they extraditing her even as we speak for having brought false charges against one of their own, impugning the integrity of the US armed forces in this country, or, since that is of little truth or consequence, subverting the line about the VFA being more benign than the US bases?

Nope, they just bought her. Lock, stock and barrel. Or body, soul and everything else in-between. Which, as the going rate for rape in this country these days, isn’t bad at all. A green card, pocket money and a past blotted out in a strange new world the way the past of her country has been blotted out of the memory of its inhabitants, giving them to live in a strange and alien world.

For the rest of us, of course it remains a tragedy. As friends of mine say, they didn’t just rape her, they turned her into a prostitute. The first without her consent, the second completely with it.

Nicole’s turnaround notwithstanding, says Sen. Aquiliono “Nene” Pimentel Jr., it shouldn’t be a reason for the senators turning around in their task to review the VFA. A sentiment shared by Sen. Francis “Kiko” Pangilinan who filed a bill in February calling for the termination of the VFA. He deserves praise for it.

That is the second rape. Long before Nicole, Inang Bayan was raped by Mr. Smith, the guy who went to Washington, in the form of the VFA. Barely had Inang Bayan enjoyed her newfound respectability, having just recovered from the (multiple) rape of the US bases, than she found the VFA on top of her. And, as with the US bases, with the Philippine government pimping for it.

Is that rape true, real and proven as well? Yes. The frenetic activities of the Americans in Mindanao show it beyond a shadow of doubt. The VFA in fact is worse than the US bases. It is the one thing that has allowed the US to subvert Philippine sovereignty by rekindling and fanning the secessionist ambitions of the Moros. The Bangsamoro Republic far less reflects the Moros’ aspirations than it does their American patrons’ contemplations. What was Kristie Kenney doing in Kuala Lumpur last year, eager to see the MOA signed?

The VFA should be terminated posthaste, with or without Barack Obama. It has already done tremendous harm to the country. Of course in this case, the continuing rape of Inang Bayan is being done courtesy of the pimping of Malacañang. More so now than in Bigote’s time, the current service provider exacting a far steeper price than her predecessor did, which is nothing less than her survival.

That brings me to the third rape, which is no less true, real and provable despite being a little less visible.

I don’t know that I can bring myself to judge Nicole too harshly. Of course I hear the cries of anger and dismay from a public that feels raw and shortchanged. Of course I hear the weeping and gnashing of teeth of the people who took up the cudgels for her, defending her as much in the court of public opinion as in the court of law, when the other side took care to depict her as a woman who did not need coercing to part with her virtue, or whatever else she had left to part with. Of course I hear the lamentations and vituperations of the women’s groups that refused to stop until they roused this country, its mind too numb to reel from yet another iniquity and wanting only to fall into the embrace of sleep, into wakefulness—like the prince in Ibong Adarna by rubbing calamansi on wound.

By why should Nicole choose the heroic path, or just the honorable one, when there is nothing in this country to support that choice? Everywhere there is corruption, rottenness, cheating, lying, stealing, murder, rape, looking out for oneself, dog versus dog, every man, or woman, for himself/herself, the devil take the hindmost. Of course there is the example set by people like Jun Lozada who have taken the honorable and heroic path amid the greatest adversity. But that example also says that there is a steep price to pay for it. That example shows that in this country the wicked are rewarded plentifully and the good are punished harshly. Why should Nicole, who has endured the burdens of the world, want to endure more?

Of course she had responsibilities, having become the symbol of purloined honor, or national debasement, but she has an example there too. No one has more responsibilities than the person currently occupying Malacañang, and shirking them—no, scuttling them—has not harmed her, it has benefited her. A society has a right to expect decent choices from its citizens only when it can enforce decency. A society has the right to expect moral choices from its citizens only when it can enforce morality. A society has the right to expect its citizens to routinely do the right thing only when it can routinely reward the right thing and punish the wrong one. That is not true here. The opposite is true here.

That is the worst rape of all, the brutal, savage and mindless assault on this country that has left it not just deprived but depraved, that has made its inhabitants choose not the lonely path of justice but the gainful path of prostitution.

Juan de la Cruz has been violated several times over. In the mind and not just in the body. In the soul and not just in the rump. In the end, that’s not just rape. That’s a fate worse than rape.

[Monseratto]

Mukhang natakpan na itong istorya sa news. Nobody doesn't want stories were the protagonist double crosses.

[Monseratto]

Tapos na ba itong masamang istorya?

[size=5]US Marine in Subic rape case acquitted [/size]

‘Romantic episode,’ not rape, says CA

MANILA, Philippines – (UPDATE 3) The Court of Appeals has acquitted an American marine of raping a Filipina, saying the soldier and his accuser shared a “spontaneous, unplanned romantic episode.”

In a 71-page decision, the appellate court said Lance Corporal Daniel Smith and the victim, identified in court only as Nicole, were both intoxicated after a night out and were “carried away by their passions.”

The court also said Nicole flirted with Smith and led him on with “reckless abandon” and that there was “no evidence” that she was forced into ***.

Smith has been ordered “released immediately unless held for other lawful cause,” read the decision penned by Associate Justice Monina Arevalo-Zena of the CA’s special 11th division.

“What we see was the unfolding of a spontaneous, unplanned romantic episode with both parties carried away by their passions and stirred up by the urgency of the moment caused probably by alcoholic drinks they took, only to be rudely interrupted when the van suddenly stopped to pick up some passengers,” the court said.

During the marathon trial in 2006, Nicole claimed that Smith raped her at the back of a van in the evening of November 1, 2005, while three other US servicemen, cheered him on.

Nicole recanted the allegations in an affidavit dated March 8, saying she was too drunk to recall what happened. The court said the recantation was not considered in its decision to acquit Smith.

“Suddenly the moment of parting came and the marines had to rush to the ship. In that situation, reality dawned on Nicole – what her audacity and reckless abandon, flirting with Smith and leading him on, brought upon her,” the court said.

“That must have been shattering, but added to this was the mocking moments she heard from inside the van; ‘leave that bitch!’ or words to that effect-which really broke her as she shouted back in denial: I am not a bitch,” it said.

The court said: “No evidence was introduced to show force, threat and intimidation applied by the accused upon Nicole even as prosecution vainly tried to highlight her supposed intoxication and alleged unconsciousness at the time of the ***ual act.”

The appellate court division was comprised of three women associate justices: Remedios Fernando, chairman of the Special Eleventh Division; Myrna Dimaranan-Vidal and Arevalo-Zenarosa who penned the decision.

Smith is detained at the US embassy in Manila. His acquittal, two years after his conviction at the Makati regional trial court, removes an irritant in the implementation of the Philippine-US Visiting Forces Agreement, months after US President Barack Obama called up President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to emphasize the importance of the VFA in the two countries’ relations.

The VFA came under fire for its alleged lopsided provisions when the Philippine government surrendered custody of Smith to the US embassy even after his conviction, based on a provision in the VFA, which stated that the US embassy would retain custody of American servicemen pending all legal proceedings on any offenses they might have committed.

The Makati regional trial court had sentenced Smith to reclusion perpetua or life imprisonment.

The court had acquitted three of Smith’s co-accused – Staff Sergeant Chad Carpentier and Lance Corporals Keith Silkwood and Dominique Duplantis.

[ghosthunter]

Another case of just-tiis in the Philippines.

[CVT]

I saw her mother on TV and she said that they are just taking/accepting these developments in stride as Nicole is getting married 'abroad' in a few months.....

7909:taunt:

[roberto_minosa]

Believe me, with a little research, we can see that there are a lot of alternatives to immigration than being a slut/raped, shaming one's own country, and with dignity intact.