BBM's Platform of Government

[boybi]

so you are not yet socially aware when the marcoses were ousted in 1986?

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I was not yet even in my teens during that time

[TopEngine]

Incoming PCOO Secretary Atty Trixie was anti-Marcos. Unity is at works.

[ale828]

Ang lagi kong question dyan, bakit hindi naresolve during the 2 presidencies of the Aquinos? Yun nga lang pag assassinate kay Ninoy hindi masolve e.

Actually the question here is since Pnoy was very vindictive person.
Why didn't he look for his fathers true killers/mastermind?
Did he really just accept that fact? or does he believe it was Marcos who ordered his fathers assassination?
Why not fight for justice for his father?

Alas we will never know since the last witness/killer to the assassination, died via an apparent road accident months after his release.

[ale828]

Incoming PCOO Secretary Atty Trixie was anti-Marcos. Unity is at works.

I wonder what the Opposition will think if BBM offers Leni a Government position in a years time?

Double edge sword for the Opposition.

If Leni accepts it, she would be turning her back from her most loyal and hard fighting supporters.

But if she rejects it, she would not look good to the 31M voters who voted for BBM and would only solidify their choice.

[Lew_Alcindor]

To be honest lahat naman tayo and put family didn't suffer during martial law, I mean most of members here probably.

But then I wouldn't diminish those who had suffer during those years, survivors of the tortures and lives lost.

Hinde naman pwedeng gawa lang nanaman ng mga dilawan yun history na thousand ang pinatay, tortures during that time.

We can't deny na maraming nag suffer during that time, it doesn't mean na hinde nangyari lahat yun just because hinde nangyari sa pamilya natin.

Narrative ngayon dapat kalimutan na and mag move on.

Yes we have moved on and continually moving on but we shouldn't forget, hinde pwepwedsng kalimutan yun part ng history natin.

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Amen...Forgive, why not? But never forget....yang forget na yang ang dahilan kung bakit paulit ulit tayo inaabuso ng politicians....

[Vodka]

Honestly speaking, what is the 'right history'?

I have never met a person categorically saying they suffered during Marcos' time.

Sa mga employees namin na mga matatanda and sa mga nagretire na, may ilan nagsabi, "buti pa nung panahon ni Marcos....."

But never have I heard any of them saying, "mabuti nalang naging presidente si Cory, etc.."

of course if you don't oppose the dictator then you'll be just fine

now go back to your older employees and ask them if they know about stalin, nokor, mao, etc. for the average pinoy, concepts like freedom, democracy, free speech, etc are too ABSTRACT

[kisshmet]

Actually the question here is since Pnoy was very vindictive person.
Why didn't he look for his fathers true killers/mastermind?
Did he really just accept that fact? or does he believe it was Marcos who ordered his fathers assassination?
Why not fight for justice for his father?

Alas we will never know since the last witness/killer to the assassination, died via an apparent road accident months after his release.

vindictive si pnoy at cory pero walang marcos na napatay under these 2 administrations

nations interest first before themselves..the aquinos chose to focus on the countrys problem than determine the master mind coz it will only happen thru torture

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[TopEngine]

vindictive si pnoy at cory pero walang marcos na napatay under these 2 administrations

nations interest first before themselves..the aquinos chose to focus on the countrys problem than determine the master mind coz it will only happen thru torture

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Are you implying that Pnoy and Cory chosen not take revenge? Do you believe that it was Marcos masterminded Ninoy's assassination? I don't get your point.

Actually the question here is since Pnoy was very vindictive person.
Why didn't he look for his fathers true killers/mastermind?
Did he really just accept that fact? or does he believe it was Marcos who ordered his fathers assassination?
Why not fight for justice for his father?

Alas we will never know since the last witness/killer to the assassination, died via an apparent road accident months after his release.

Whether they believe or not, they let the narrative that it was Marcos, used that narrative and people were believing it, until people were enlightened that it was a propaganda. A propaganda as Plaza Miranda bombing promulgating that it was Marcos'.

[boybi]

of course if you don't oppose the dictator then you'll be just fine

now go back to your older employees and ask them if they know about stalin, nokor, mao, etc. for the average pinoy, concepts like freedom, democracy, free speech, etc are too ABSTRACT

We are after all living in the Philippines, in which the most important thing is having food on the table. Why would they care whatever form of government and freedom they have as long as they can eat everyday.

Why haven’t all the administrations post Marcos able to enlighten all pinoys, especially the 2 Aquinos?

[kisshmet]

Are you implying that Pnoy and Cory chosen not take revenge? Do you believe that it was Marcos masterminded Ninoy's assassination? I don't get your point.




Whether they believe or not, they let the narrative that it was Marcos, used that narrative and people were believing it, until people were enlightened that it was a propaganda. A propaganda as Plaza Miranda bombing promulgating that it was Marcos'.

the point is simple..ipinagpasadyos na ng mga aquino kung sino man ang nagpapatay kay ninoy at nagfocus sa problema ng bansa kesa pigain ang mga perpetrators thru torture kung sino ang master mind (thats serving the interest of the aquino family and not the nation)

pero ang malinaw sa lahat..may aquino na napatay sa pamumuno ni marcos at walang marcos ang napatay sa pamumuno ng mga aquino kaya nga nakabalik sa kapangyarihan ang mga marcos

pinanagot lang sa korte ng mga aquino ang mga marcos and thats not vindictiveness..thats accountability

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[Ry_Tower]

Amen...Forgive, why not? But never forget....yang forget na yang ang dahilan kung bakit paulit ulit tayo inaabuso ng politicians....

+100, forgive but fon't forget lalo na kung walang remorse. Dun pa lang sobrasng red flag na niyan. Alam mo na personal at hidden interests lang ang priority.

Unlce ko ang naging biktima ng ML, napag-tripan ng mga sundalo. Buti an lang yung mayor sa munisipyo kakilala ng lolo ko kaya na-"harbor", dedo sana.

Pero bago pinauwi, inubos muna tig-isang magazine ng armalite sa bawat balikat para halos isang linggo na bingi. Buti hindi permanent damage.

Kaya yung hindi naniniwala or nagsasabi na maganda ML, yan yung walang personal experience at nagbubulag-bulagan lang.

[baludoy]

It would be a great start to make the incoming president's "unity" mantra a solid and working policy if the bbj and his family finally paid their billions worth of tax obligations.







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[boybi]

+100, forgive but fon't forget lalo na kung walang remorse. Dun pa lang sobrasng red flag na niyan. Alam mo na personal at hidden interests lang ang priority.

Unlce ko ang naging biktima ng ML, napag-tripan ng mga sundalo. Buti an lang yung mayor sa munisipyo kakilala ng lolo ko kaya na-"harbor", dedo sana.

Pero bago pinauwi, inubos muna tig-isang magazine ng armalite sa bawat balikat para halos isang linggo na bingi. Buti hindi permanent damage.

Kaya yung hindi naniniwala or nagsasabi na maganda ML, yan yung walang personal experience at nagbubulag-bulagan lang.

Not saying na santo ang mga Marcoses, but sa lahat ng mga naging presidents, marami din naman napag tripan or napaginitan na civilians. More so under Martial Law dati. What if karamihan sa mga napag tripan during that time e nag violate ng curfew, etc.? Baka alam ng bawal ang sugal pero patago pa din nagsusugal, then nahuli, sabihin nag power tripping mga authorities? And we will never know the truth. Hindi naman aamin yung mga nahuli.

[Ry_Tower]

Not saying na santo ang mga Marcoses, but sa lahat ng mga naging presidents, marami din naman napag tripan or napaginitan na civilians. More so under Martial Law dati. What if karamihan sa mga napag tripan during that time e nag violate ng curfew, etc.? Baka alam ng bawal ang sugal pero patago pa din nagsusugal, then nahuli, sabihin nag power tripping mga authorities? And we will never know the truth. Hindi naman aamin yung mga nahuli.

I think you are equate petty violations with human rights violations. Are they the same?

Sa records nila vs past admins pareho ba yung percentage if you want to reduce it to numbers? The scale does not compare naman diba. Not just human rights, isama mo na economic problems. You may not have been affected but you are, I am sure, the exception rather than the rule.

[boybi]

I think you are equate petty violations with human rights violations. Are they the same?

Sa records nila vs past admins pareho ba yung percentage if you want to reduce it to numbers? The scale does not compare naman diba. Not just human rights, isama mo na economic problems. You may not have been affected but you are, I am sure, the exception rather than the rule.

I am just looking at it objectively. Baka in our province mas walang nabiktima during Marcos' years. If we reduce it to numbers, definitely mas madami kay Marcos since 20yrs syang nakaupo.

As for economic problems, are we better now than during Marcos years?

[Ry_Tower]

I am just looking at it objectively. Baka in our province mas walang nabiktima during Marcos' years. If we reduce it to numbers, definitely mas madami kay Marcos since 20yrs syang nakaupo.

As for economic problems, are we better now than during Marcos years?

Palawan din naman hindi din affected masyado, but I was referring to the overall picture.

As for the economic issue, 1986 vs today? Definitely we are better now. Objectively speaking.

[dr. d]

I wonder what the Opposition will think if BBM offers Leni a Government position in a years time?

Double edge sword for the Opposition.

If Leni accepts it, she would be turning her back from her most loyal and hard fighting supporters.

But if she rejects it, she would not look good to the 31M voters who voted for BBM and would only solidify their choice.

if i thought i could make a difference, and i lost the chance at running the country,
but was offered a chance at running a part of the country's function,
i'd probably take it.

politics should end after the election.
the real work starts after that.

[boybi]

Palawan din naman hindi din affected masyado, but I was referring to the overall picture.

As for the economic issue, 1986 vs today? Definitely we are better now. Objectively speaking.

For the overall picture, not all Filipinos were at the EDSA revolution. Dami nga nagsasabi, yung mga taga-Metro Manila lang lagi ang nasusunod. During the People Power, I remembered normal pa din buhay dito sa amin, nasa school pa din kami.

For the economic issue, pre-1986 vs today, hindi ba parang mas dumami squatters? Di ba mas lumaki gap ng rich vs poor?

[Ry_Tower]

For the overall picture, not all Filipinos were at the EDSA revolution. Dami nga nagsasabi, yung mga taga-Metro Manila lang lagi ang nasusunod. During the People Power, I remembered normal pa din buhay dito sa amin, nasa school pa din kami.

For the economic issue, pre-1986 vs today, hindi ba parang mas dumami squatters? Di ba mas lumaki gap ng rich vs poor?

Madami na din post regarding the problems after 1986, I will not belabore it here. But ratio na lang kasi siyempre as population grew, mas madami talag poor ngayon vs before. Population-wise. But after ML 3/4 of pinoys are considered poor. Now the ratio is around 23-25%. Layo diba.

The economic legacy of Marcos - BusinessWorld Online

Under Marcos dictatorship unemployment worsened, prices soared, poverty persisted – IBON Foundation

Basahin mo na lang, baka nga alam mo na yan.

[boybi]

Like I said, economically, ang nakinabang yun pa din mga mayayaman in all administrations. The poor still remained poor. Kaya etong election na eto is a revolt of the poor. The anti-Marcos politicians have been in power for more than 30yrs yet poor pa din sila. So I think they thought it's time to try the Marcoses again.