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    #11
    dapat siguro palitan ng aftermarket bumpers.

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    #12
    wow ang tibay ng mini cooper..

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    #13
    Quote Originally Posted by mbt
    i think the article and the comments after it are a tiny, tiny bit misleading

    1) that F150 was a new design for *1997*, whereas the mini is a recent design especially engineered to meet stricter, more recent crash safety standards. it would be unfair to say that ford neglected to engineer the crash characteristics of the F150 properly, as the IIHS test is not a federal standard test.

    2) the 40-mph offset-frontal barrier crash test is NOT an official federal requirement; it is a test conducted by the IIHS, not the NHTSA. the previous-gen F150 satisfies the federal standards for full-frontal (as opposed to offset, which is more punishing to the vehicle structure since the force of the impact is concentrated on a smaller area) crash safety

    that said, the F150 is really a scary place to be in if you happen to crash into a tree hehe. however, it also correctly points out that if the F150 and the mini were to crash head-on, the mini would be a total wreck while the F150 would have nothing more than a torn bumper

    good points...

    Update 2: Ford has redesigned the F150 for 2004 with an notable advances with regards to safety. In fact the IIHS had named the new F150 a "Best Pick" in the large truck category. Now granted this doesn't change the fact that Ford designed and released the previous generation of F150s knowing there were safety concerns. Further it doesn't change any of the statistics showing larger vehicles cause more havoc on the roads. But it does show that Ford clearly understood the issues with the previous generation and worked hard to alleviate them.
    there's a problem with this statement... are they trying to pin Ford for previous generation F-150s? if that's the case, why not ALL manufacturers and not just Ford?

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    #14
    on vandolp's f150 issue....imagine nyo nalang kung ibang sasakyan gamit ni vandolp nun naaksidente sila versus the truck full of cement, both running at high speed at head on collision pa!....blame the f150 for making vandolp still alive (...to make him continue doing all his stup!dity)

    again, f150 is the best selling pickup (..and automobile) every year for more than 27 years already. more than 800,000 units are sold every year for more than 10 years already..the americans must be id!ots if they continue buying a pickup which they think inferior to other vehicles when it comes to safety.
    Last edited by explorer; March 5th, 2005 at 05:08 PM.

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    #15
    whoa! mini is so tough!

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    #16
    that link is showing the total deaths per models, but it doesn't statistically show the percentage per volume sold. if i compute it right:

    Toyota Avalon - 60 deaths (least deaths, but is that the safest?)
    Ford F-Series - 238 deaths (most number of deaths, but is that the unsafest?)

    let's see....there's no number of accidents per model recorded, so we have no choice but use the number of units sold per model:

    toyota avalon - 30,000 units sold per year (my best guess, but i would beat it can hardly reach that figure)

    ford f150 - 800,000 units sold per year

    given the above data:

    toyota avalon - 60 deaths / 30,000 units sold = 0.002 or 0.2%
    ford f150 - 238 deaths / 800,000 units sold = 0.0002975 or 0.02975%

    ...so the ford f150 is 10 times safer (0.02975% vs. 0.2%) than the toyota avalon (which has the least number of deaths) if computed based on the number of units used (sold) assuming all the units sold have accidents and those presented deaths are true.
    Last edited by explorer; March 5th, 2005 at 06:13 PM.

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    #17
    Quote Originally Posted by explorer
    that link is showing the total deaths per models, but it doesn't statistically show the percentage per volume sold. if i compute it right:

    Toyota Avalon - 60 deaths (least deaths, but is that the safest?)
    Ford F-Series - 238 deaths (most number of deaths, but is that the unsafest?)

    let's see....there's no number of accidents per model recorded, so we have no choice but use the number of units sold per model:

    toyota avalon - 30,000 units sold per year (my best guess, but i would beat it can hardly reach that figure)

    ford f150 - 800,000 units sold per year

    given the above data:

    toyota avalon - 60 deaths / 30,000 units sold = 0.002 or 0.2%
    ford f150 - 238 deaths / 800,000 units sold = 0.0002975 or 0.02975%

    ...so the ford f150 is 10 times safer (0.0975% vs. 0.2%) than the toyota avalon (which has the least number of deaths) if computed based on the number of units used (sold) assuming all the units sold have accidents and those presented deaths are true.
    Good point.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #18
    the pics speaks a thousand words.

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    #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Rediesel
    the pics speaks a thousand words.
    ...and so are the more than 800,000 f-series buyers who buy them yearly

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    #20
    also, if we take it literally...who would dare here to crash his mini against the f150 both running at 40mph?

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