Japan VS Korea SUV

[tambutsoo]

Japan and Korea Made What's the different?

[niky]

Depends on the brand. Some Japanese brands have superior build quality. Some don't.

What's more important for the long term reliability of the vehicle is the engineering. Some Japanese engines and mechanical design aren't any more durable than Koreans.

[Blackraven]

Right now, the Japs still have the long lead.

Pero the Koreans have been catching up fast in the area of build quality and reliability.

I've seen this myself.

For example, the Santa Fe (which was launched last year) was an SUV that had somewhat of a messy interior. The unit I saw (yung sa Manila Motor Show) had messy AC control layout and messy stereo layout.....with the steering wheel only having a so-so design (not bad but not good either).

I wasn't really impressed with Korean vehicles then (well maybe except the Tucson, Matrix, Getz and Accent......a bit) and I would never consider any Korean car.

Then, come one year after, the Veracruz came along.

It was a shocker during the Motor Show and I was exhilerated as to how much the Koreans have improved in a span of just one year. Unbelievable.

The quality of the seats, the meter instrumentation (best I've seen from the Koreans ever aside from the Elantra), the layout of the AC controls and stereo unit (Inifinity 8-speaker sound system), the utilization of Smart Entry System in-conjunction to the memory seat programmes (dual-profile), power adjustable seats, standard 4WD/AWD, 3.0 V6 CRDI Diesel Engine, LED tail lamps, HID Xenon headlamps, full safety features and so much more.

This is indeed the best I've seen from the Koreans and there's no doubt about it. Talagang tinitira niya ang Nissan Murano in a very fierce competition.

This is gonna be one heated battle as to who reigns supreme over the other.

[oldblue]

Koreans and Japanese are also having a fierce battle in golf courses around Asia. malamang nagkakapersonalan na ito mga execs na ito at dalhin na sa kanya kanya kumpanya ang laban

[yuichi]

Right now, the Japs still have the long lead.

Pero the Koreans have been catching up fast in the area of build quality and reliability.

I've seen this myself.

For example, the Santa Fe (which was launched last year) was an SUV that had somewhat of a messy interior. The unit I saw (yung sa Manila Motor Show) had messy AC control layout and messy stereo layout.....with the steering wheel only having a so-so design (not bad but not good either).I wasn't really impressed with Korean vehicles then (well maybe except the Tucson, Matrix, Getz and Accent......a bit) and I would never consider any Korean car.

Messy ba tawag pag maraming features? this interior is a lot more functional and reasonable that my 8th gen Civic's "higtech" interior. even sound quality is better.

the Vera Cruz ofcourse is in a different league compared to it's younger siblings (Santa Fe, Tucson, Sonata etc).

where is that long lead? sorry, OT.

i've owned 2 Japanese cars (8tyh gen USDM Civic and 1.3 City, not SUV though) and a Korean suv. here's my take...

Generally speaking, Korean cars(hyundai/kia) now have more usefullfull features, better built quality( Hyundai's door slam sound is more solid) and have more well thought-off details in terms of interior/exterior.while Jap cars are begiinning to be "tacky", IMO.

But nothing quite comes close to their(Koreans) CRDI Engine/s. way better than their Jap ( even American) counterparts.

again, just recalling Top Gear mag April Issue. comparison of Sub-compact SUVS in Philippines.

1. 2.2CRDI Santa Fe
2. 2.5 Sorento EX
3. 2.5 Fortuner
4. 3.0 Alterra

and oh, please check this one http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=27145&page=51

[Drave]

Galit talaga ang mga koreans sa mga japanese because of their history. Kaya gusto talaga ng mga koreano na pataubin ang mga hapon.

Pagdating sa mga vehicles, mabilis ang learning curve ng mga koreano. From their first early models to the current ones, you will see the big big difference.

But when it comes to the iconic suvs like the land cruisers, pajeros, patrols, I don't think the koreans can catch up because you need to prove this for many many years on the field. Also, I guess japanese steel is more superior than the koreans at the moment.

[mazdamazda]

When Hyundai introduced the VeraCruz with the 3.0L V6 CRDi VGT engine - it became apparent that the Koreans can now go toe-to-toe against the Japanese at least in the cross-over / soft-off roader SUV department.

[1D4LV]

i would agree that the japanese have the big lead in this, but the koreans are slowly catching up.

my prediction? kung ano yung koreans before, yan naman ang pipilitin ng mga chinese.

[jcastillo932]

Galit talaga ang mga koreans sa mga japanese because of their history. Kaya gusto talaga ng mga koreano na pataubin ang mga hapon.

Pagdating sa mga vehicles, mabilis ang learning curve ng mga koreano. From their first early models to the current ones, you will see the big big difference.

But when it comes to the iconic suvs like the land cruisers, pajeros, patrols, I don't think the koreans can catch up because you need to prove this for many many years on the field. Also, I guess japanese steel is more superior than the koreans at the moment.

Tama ka dian Drave ;) pag may pantapat na sila sa LC, Patrol, and Pajero puede na natin siguro sabihin na kaya na ng Korean ang Japanese pag dating sa SUV. And siempre pag may pantapat na sila for Lexus, Acura and Infiniti.

[ferdine]

What I can say is that marami pang bigas kakainin ang mga Koreans bago makapag level sa mga Japs. Well, that was applicable several years back. Sa ngayon mukhang marami na ngang bigas na kinain mga Koreans because of their leapfrogging improvement in building their cars. I've read in one article that Toyota's target is not really GM. It's the Hyundai/Kia duo they may have to face as their sparring partner in the future. Baka nga!

[oldblue]

. Also, I guess japanese steel is more superior than the koreans at the moment.

parang kill bill samurai baga

[rsnald]

Also, I guess japanese steel is more superior than the koreans at the moment.

parang kill bill samurai baga

design and concept is one thing...

metallurgy is another thing. I guess medyo lamang pa nga siguro mga hapon pagdating sa tibang ng makina because of the inherent durability of how they make their metallic parts.

it's like comparing the German made metallic spare parts of the old Volkswagen beetle vs. their Mexican counterparts. mas matibay talga yung German made so you get what you pay for in the end.

Nung bago pa lang Korean trucks, naririnig ko sa mga truckers namin, iba daw tibay ng japanese bearings compared sa Korean. Dunno if this difference still holds true today.

[oliver1013]

Sa ngayon ay Magaling kung sa magaling ang korean made suv's pero di parin natin maiaalis na sa experience talagang lamang ang japanese. Dapat magsasali din mga koreano sa mga motoring events at manalo para ma reinforce yung kanilang katayuan. Sa Dakar for example o kaya sa mga rallye events. Pag nananlo na sila ng more than 3 times talagang lalo silang popogi.

[lui]

halos pantay na kc ngaun ang jap at korean carmaker. depende nalang sa gusto ng buyer. pag hindi brand concious ung bibili malamang korean kukunin kc mas sulit yung money nila. pag nman mapili sa brand malamang jap kukunin (toyota or honda madalas). base on experience lang naman po

[boybi]

Nobody will stay on top forever. Toyota have toppled GM in most vehicle sold for the first quarter of this year. And somebody will take the top spot in the future. Maybe a Korean auto maker or a Chinese manufacturer. Only time will tell.

But right now, I will still choose a Japanese brand over a Korean brand. We've owned a Starex before. The ride was very good, but the durability was bad.

[lolo pepe]

dun sa mga naka experience to own ng mga 90's korean vehicles, me point kayo to gripe dahil medyo low quality pa ang mga ito (prone to body rust, frequent breakdowns, etc.).

pero ngayun ay much better na ang build quality ng hyundai and in some points, kia also. they even surpass some of the 9 japanese car companies, in terms of new technology (CRDi with VGT) and other comfort and safety amenities.

why not try to buy a brand new korean vehicle again? sabi nga nila "love is much sweeter the second time around."

[Horsepower]

To those who haven't tried a SantaFe yet but keeps a judgement that koreans are bad cars, I don't blame you, but buy or test drive one and you'll see why we like this car so much.

Japs used to be nice cars. Now, they're what's left of cutting corners.

Right now, they're at this phase where they try to cut costs on every given opportunity hence the cut in features and quality.

When Hyundai outsourced to Alabama USA, japs outsourced to Thailand hence the low quality of their cars now which unfortunately, is a hit-or-miss affair.

For example, when the D4Ds started choking, CRDi kept going well, even racing cars on the streets. Who would think that a diesel can go 200+kmh - and that's just 2.2L and automatic slushbox at that.

Let's look at the doors. SantaFe has vault-like counter-weighed doors. It closes with a solid thud. The competition? Very light unassuring tinny doors that has the same feel of FX AUVs.

Headlights: SantaFe uses projector lights. Competition? the lowest seller upgraded to projector in a futile attempt to sell.

Consumption (my driving style, read: fast but safe): 8-10km/L city driving, 12km/L city cruising, long drives, 21.5Km/L competition? way too far. hehe

Stability: driving at 200kmh is just like driving a typical midsize sedan at 60-80kmh that your passengers won't even notice you're driving a little fast. Competition? starts violent rocking at 150kmh.

Ride: Get this, if you've been to A.Bonifacio, the road north of NLEX in Manila side, you'll have an idea. Last year, everyday from Balintawak, I drive there in a SantaFe. All along i thought the road is okay and i usually drive fast all the way to UST. Then CPA review of my GF was finished so I stopped plying A.Bonifacio. A week ago going to Divisoria, i drove there again in a jap suv. Then we both exclaimed sobrang lubak pala ang daan na ito. Ganun kami kagulat since wala namang nabago sa daan. It felt like riding a jackhammer.

Interior. I don't find it messy. Rather, it's filled with features. Features, japs haven't thought of or didn't bother with. Reading/Map lights for all rows, conversation mirror which also deters against the left side blind spot, chiller, lots of pockets and cupholders, stock leather seats - not forced mediocre aftermarket. Driver seat even has height adjustment.

Steering wheel is leather, very tightly knit, just the right size. Telescopic and tilting.

Gated tiptronic with a leather stick.

Vanity mirrors with automatic lights.

Audio. SF's stock audio is topnotch. The tinny sound of the competiton's makes you feel shortchanged.

I can go on and on but I'd rather leave things for you to discover. Good things i am sure.

I'm looking forward owning an all-new KIA Sorento VGT. I guess you could say i'm one of those types who don't give a crap what others think because i'm not insecure.

[oldblue]

I agree. dont meter Hyundai bec. of the Starex. the Sta. Fe is miles ahead from the Starex. ibang-iba talaga ang build quality ng SUV na ito.

[kokey]

[SIZE="4"]Jap made vehicle I think is still more durable..[/SIZE]

[Horsepower]

Sure, Japan CBU vehicles, probably.