Tirik sa baha?

[DRIV3R]

Mga bossing, tanong kolang, ano ba kadalasan ang dahilan kung bakit maraming tumitirik na sasakyan sa baha.

Maraming salamat po!

[chuaed]

kapag nabasa ang sparkplugs, ignition coil, distributor...
flooded carburetor...
napasukan ng tubig ang makina, thru the air intake... (katok ang makina)

usually nangyayari iyan pag masyado malalim ang baha or mabilis ka mag patakbo sa baha.... (yehey splash splash bigla tirik...)

kaya hinay hinay lang pag napapadaan sa baha, kung malalim eh whag na ituloy or pilitin lumusong...

[danesjr]

pinasok ng tubig yung makina.
Pinakaiingatan dyan ay wag pasukin ng makina ang air intake.

[alwayz_yummy]

mga common errors ng driver/owner:

1. MAY LEAKS ang makina or transmission or powersteering...

2. driving more than 40kph on a knee-deep flood.

3. alam na ngang lowered at naka-ram-air at open-type air-filter sinugod parin...

4.for gas engines: pagkainabot ang alternator nyo, patay din makina nyo in due time.. so as pag inabot ang air intake.. pag diesel: air-intake ang ingatan nyo...

5. ang nagdedesisyon ng mag-uturn habang nasakalagitnaan ng pag-lusong sa baha--> baka mahulog ka pa sa butas na di mo nakikita,e...

[niky]

Even with the engine underwater, you can still make it across if the flooded area isn't too long, as long as your air filter isn't submerged. Once water gets into the cylinders through the air filter element, your engine will stall, and in many cases, will break.

The problem is, on many modern cars, the air filter intake duct is placed very low. The Escape and CR-V, being car-based models and not trucks, have intakes placed between headlight level and bumper level... not very good for flood fording. The new CR-V K-series has the airbox in the back... not sure about the R20... but from appearances, it's mounted very low, and it looks like the intake is low, also.

You should take time to know your car, find out where everything is so you will be prepared come flood time. I made the mistake of not knowing my car, before, and it cost me dearly.

Old Sentras have intakes closer to the firewall of the car. My aunt's SGX Sentra was able to escape falling into a dip where the water went over the windows because there was enough air space to feed the air filter until the car pulled and before water got in. Our FE could also ford pretty deep floods.

Unfortunately, our Exalta, though the same year-model as the FE, had a newer intake design... with the ducting coming out right behind the headlight. One good swish from a passing dump truck, and it was completely dead.

Don't think diesels are immune, either. Older diesels are optimal for flood fording, as there are no spark plugs to short out as the water goes over the top of the engine, and most diesels have their air intakes buried in the fender, which provides an air pocket reserve when wading hood level through flood, but newer diesels also have electronics components that can be damaged by flooding. The Fortuner's ECU, for example, is floor level. The Everest's is higher up, but it's in the engine bay... though it's guaranteed for fording depths of three feet.

To make a very long story short... when in doubt... don't. Stop your car at the nearest "high" spot, or, if worst comes to worst, just let it drown in the flood. Replacing 50-100k pesos worth of electronics isn't as bad as replacing 50-100k pesos worth of electronics and overhauling the engine for another 100k.

[OTEP]

The current Isuzu CRDi's also have their ECU's in the engine bay (at least it's on top of the fender). But I'd still prefer having the ECU indoors like on a Montero or Sentra.

The Fortuner's ECU is now behind the dashboard. Apparently the ones with the underseat ECU's were pre-production units.

The Vios/Yaris ECU are mounted in the engine compartment against the firewall. Couldn't they have just spent a little extra cash for a rubber grommet and actually mounted the thing inside the vehicle?

[DRIV3R]

Tnx Bro s reply. Isa pang tanong, my nabasa kasi ko sa isang old thread, ang topic nman nila dun e pagka-clucth habang lumulusong sa baha. na kesyo iwasan daw mag clutch ska un tamang RPM/speed..bla..bla..bla.. May nagtatanong kc dun paulit-ulit,wla nman sumasagot na bkit daw issue yun e sealed nman ang mga transmission,bkit daw papasukin ng tubig? Sana dito masagot. Tnx ulit ng marami.

[OTEP]

Manual transmissions are not sealed. Only the fluid compartment (where the gears are) of the transmission is sealed (sealed in the sense that fluid does not flow out, but there can still be points of water entry).

Parts not immersed in gear oil (flywheel, clutch disc) are open to contamination from the environment.

[russd]

Manual transmissions are not sealed. Only the fluid compartment (where the gears are) of the transmission is sealed (sealed in the sense that fluid does not flow out, but there can still be points of water entry).

Parts not immersed in gear oil (flywheel, clutch disc) are open to contamination from the environment.

this was what i was afraid of. last night i drove my sister's 96 lancer home through flood waters, i got home ok, but this morning ayaw na magshift yung car. it starts alright, but now upon pressing the clutch the shifter wont go into any of the gears. it just wont slot in. our mechanic says it looks bad and could cost up to P6,000! crap... what happened??

[OTEP]

It's probably the same phenomenon when your brakes get stuck after you ford flood waters and use the handbrake overnight.

Just wait for things to dry out. That'll usually take care of the problem.

[4JGtootsie]

Ano nakita ng mechanic? Alin daw ang nasira or papalitan. May presyo na so what will you pay for sa 6K?

[jundogg]

kaya tumitirik dahil pinapasukan din ng tubig un engine through the muffler at sa dipstick opening. tama ba ako? hehe

excuse me mga tsong. dumb question lang, anu po ang itsura ng air filter? at san part ng kotse madalas makikita yun?

my car is carb-type. ang air filter nya eh sa taas halos kadikit na ng hood. does it mean, i can submerge half-boy of my car as long as di mabasa o mapasukan ng tubig air filter ko?

thanks

[OTEP]

On my cousin's former Lancer, the air cleaner is also at the top of the engine. But the point where it draws air is behind one of the headlamps.

In theory you can ford water as long as the electrics don't short out or water doesn't get through the air intake (air filter).

Water mixing in the oil is bad. But it will rarely cause you to stall. You can have the oil changed afterwards.

Water doesn't really enter the muffler. There is usually suffiient back pressure to keep water out.

[russd]

Ano nakita ng mechanic? Alin daw ang nasira or papalitan. May presyo na so what will you pay for sa 6K?

i'll find out kung ano yung diagnosis ng mekaniko.. kakaalis ko lang ng bahay when he arrived, so yung kapatid ko yung nagsabi sakin kung ano sinabi nya. badtrip. come to think of it after going through the flood, medyo nag stu-stutter yung takbo ng car, but i made it home, it was shifting ok all the way until i drove in into the garage.. sana nga its just a matter of things drying out, pero baka hindi eh.. press the clutch now and you cant slot it into any gear. i'll check in the morning..

[speedyfix]

your pressure plate is probably rusted.

also have the gear oil replaced while the tranny is down imo.

[OTEP]

I normally wouldn't recommend this, but when a similar symptom happened to my Besta after fording Espana floods up the headlamps, the next morning I started the car in gear (1st gear). So it starts (lulundag siya but just keep starting) then I gun the engine a bit. Siguro hindi na ganun kadikit yung pagka-stuck up ng clutch friction material (similar to brake pad friction material getting stuck if you leave the handbrake on after fording floods).

Bumalik na sa normal afterwards.

P.S. starting a vehicle while in gear is not very safe. This is usually a technique used in off-roading.

[russd]

your pressure plate is probably rusted.

also have the gear oil replaced while the tranny is down imo.

yun nga. hehe. there goes 6grand man, bought a new pressure plate. daaaamn!!!

[mcbry]

last friday napilitan ako dumaan sa flood bandang bacoor cavite using our altis. the water level is around 12inches. tanong ko lang if kailangan ba palitan yung gear/transmission oil ng altis namin? ano pa yung kailangan ko pa check to make sure na hindi magka problema tsikot namin? nasa 6k palang odo namin. nga pala, wala pa naman akong may naramdaman na kakaiba sa tsikot namin after that water fording.

[Kawol]

Hello Sir,

Kahapon po kasi sobra lakas ng ulan napalusong po sa baha yung kotse ko sa montalban rizal d na ri n po kasi ako makabalik kasi dami rin pong kotse nakasunod sakin. Tapos po ung picanto n sinusundan ko nakakaya naman pero 3/4 n po ung tubig sa gulong. Though hindi naman po nagstop ung engine at hanggang gabi ok nmn ko ung padrive ko wala naman ako napansin n difference. Pero ano po mabuting gawin? Plan ko po sana dalhin today sa casa ng suzuki pero close daw sila pagsunday e. San ko po ba ipacheck? And ano dapat ko gawin ngayon? Thank you !

[jick.cejoco]

this was what i was afraid of. last night i drove my sister's 96 lancer home through flood waters, i got home ok, but this morning ayaw na magshift yung car. it starts alright, but now upon pressing the clutch the shifter wont go into any of the gears. it just wont slot in. our mechanic says it looks bad and could cost up to P6,000! crap... what happened??

Your transmission/transaxle and differential have breathers at the highest point of the case or housing. If they get immersed in flood, the contraction or shrinking of the parts and oil inside them creates a partial vacuum and sucks water in contaminating the gear lube.
If the clutch disc got wet the day before and stocks between the flywheel and the pressure plate, unstuck it by cranking the engine while the transmission is in gear and parking brakes engaged. The stater should have enough torque to spin the clutch disc free