Questions Regarding Turbo Kits

[niky]

Hehe... the problem with slicks, though, is that they're undriveable on the road...

In full drag trim, a FWD car can be on staggered sizes, with larger wheels in front, 14" steelies or worse, emergency spares in the back. The front tires will be 15" or so, with wide tires partially deflated for extra launch grip...

Can't imagine driving on that everyday... even though the dragsters drive their cars to the strip...

So low pros with wide rubber will be fine with me...

As a rejoinder, though, I know some fellas hitting 13.5s with 15" rims and 50 series tires, and no funny stuff on the back hubs (full sized wheels there, too) . They're intermediates, though, so they do have to take them off at the end of the day, to preserve their lifespan.

[Mamar]

OT: Pwede po ba lagyan ng blow off valve ang mga diesel turbos??
For example kia sedona it has a 2.9 tutbo intercooled engine! pwede ko ba lagyan yan ng BOV??TIA

[niky]

Depends, I think... I don't know if the ECU will like it. And you probably don't need it. Most turbo tuning on turbodiesels can be done via piggyback ECU or chip re-tuning.

[Mamar]

ahh.. gusto ko lang sana pag tripan at para astig sana! hehehe....

[rion]

Good morning mga bossing.

Medyo interested po ako magpa-install ng turbo kit sa ginagamit kong sasakyan. Hindi po ako racer at hindi po ako adik sa sasakyan. Tamang gamit ko lang po sa araw-araw pamasok. Naisip ko lang palagyan kasi nababagalan ako kung minsan at nabibitin lalo na pag umo-overtake.
TIA. :cupid2:

carb pa ba yung Mitsubishi Lancer 1996? o efi na?

turbo is too costly just for an overtaking power needs... kung carb pa siya, di ba puwede rin yun palakasan?.

[niky]

Carb tuning is a black art... I remember the last time we did a carb tune... terrible low rpm running, but a hell of a kick once you got the engine spinning. It felt something like +20 hp (which was a big deal on a mere 1.5 liter engine), but -30 ft-lbs of torque... oops.

[Kikkomann]

Again, maraming salamat mga bossing sa replies.

Actually, medyo hindi ko inaasahan na ganito palang ka-complicated yung pag-setup ng turbo, lalo na nung nabalitaan ko last night na yung isa kong kaibigan ay nakapag-setup worth Php60K lang (though I was contemplating kung OK na ba yun kasi parang tinipid naman ng husto, in comparison sa mga ipinayo ninyo).

ssaloon: hardcore adik na pala yung senyo chief. Hehehe. 2.0L + turbo-equipped = kumusta naman po yung fuel consumption niyo?
niky: medyo madugo din yung overhauling and kahit na sa amin yung shop ay parang mas viable na option na bumili na nga lang ng engine na may turbo, that is, if my current stock engine won't cut it. Pero napaisip pa rin ako doon sa dapat ay AWD yung sasakyan if I am to use and Evo engine (teka, ok lang/safe/"advisable" po ba na iconvert yung FWD to AWD?). And honga pala, anong pinagkaiba ng AWD sa 4WD?
blink21me: honestly, yes, medyo hindi ko po talaga alam yung ginagawa ko that's why I'm considering na bumili na lang ng buo na kesa sa bumuo from scratch. As you've described eh medyo hindi ko kaya i-take yung risk of setting it up from scratch.
rion: EFI na bossing. Pero medyo napaisip nga ako doon sa sinabi niyo eh (na medyo costly nga kung pang-overtaking ko lang... hehehe). Ang naiisip ko kasi is if I am gonna dust someone, gusto ko ng gawin ng solid na solid at walang bitin or sabit. Hehehe!

[ssaloon]

city driving ko nasa mga 6km/liter

[niky]

Madugo ang conversion to AWD sa Lancer. If you're concerned about safety and body integrity... wag na lang.

They're going to change your fuel tank, for one, then they cut out the rear multi-link subframe from the body mount. They weld in the rear differential in its place. It's very ugly to watch... an acquaintance did that to his daily driver... inggit ako, pero I never asked for a test drive... too scared of the rear end giving way...

Pero, as ssaloon has said, you can just put the engine in and convert the tranny to front-wheel drive. Okay lang siya as long as pa-easy-easy ka sa gas. But expect consumption to be bad. Maybe 5 km/l in traffic, at worst. Oops... sinagutan pala ni ssaloon...

For me? Your build should include the engine swap plus the suspension, brakes and heavier duty wheel hubs from the Evo. Evo wheels are optional. ...medyo mahal nga lang gawin lahat, so puwede by stages nalang.

The engine swap alone should cost you on the hefty side of 150k. :evil:

Cheaper swap would be MIVEC... mga 50-70k lang yata... that gives you an engine that's at least a match for the 160-170 hp Hondas out there... not sure about the price, cause it's been a long time since I looked.

[ssaloon]

if you're not into serious track duties or racing, the 2G mivec engine should fit your need for speed since you just want that extra oompf for overtaking purposes as mentioned in your 1st post.

[KoKoNAT]

How about a supercharger? Ala bang bolt-on supercharger kits para sa mga Mitsubishi enginges?

[niky]

Superchargers actually cost more than a similar turbo set-up, and they're not often offered for small displacement lumps like the Lancer's 1.6. The turbo is easier, but like we've said, it ain't easy if you want both big power, good reliability and easy use.

[m_ron]

superchargers is cheaper than turbo setup.Here we go again...

[niky]

And is there something more you would like to say, ronald?

In a cost-per-horsepower calculation for low displacement engines, a turbo set-up often produces better horsepower than a supercharger... has less parasitic loss and heat soak (unavoidable with the complicated construction of the supercharger)... and it's easier to ghetto here in the Philippines...

Of course, in direct cost comparisons, there are some supercharger kits that are as cheap as turbo kits, and while they often aren't as scalable in terms of power, they're sometimes more streetable... of course, with the right sized turbines, you can make a quick spooling low power turbo set-up for much less.

And besides, this is a Mitsubishi... they're meant to be turbo-charged... anything else is sacrilege!..

EDIT: That being said... there is a supercharger kit for the Proton Satria, which also uses Lancer engines, but as I'm not familiar with it, I don't know if it's for the 1.6 or the 1.8.

[rion]

I'n not sure if Auto.howstuffworks.com is a reliable websiter making me instant expert or instant fool. but I found this article...



[CODE]http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question122.htm[/CODE]

[Kikkomann]

Last friday(?), napanood ko yung video nung Ford GT TT. And napaisip ako bigla doon sa napanood ko: IIRC, RWD yung Ford GT and malalaki yung tires niya pero problem pa rin yung traction (dami ko na naisip from here... hehehe). I'm no expert in automotives but after seeing the clip, it sowed a lot of if's and but's sakin- mainly sa cost and maintenance. Dagdag pa doon yung mga shinare ninyo na insights, mostly na rin from your own experience(s).

So siguro, upgrading to a more "capable" engine is the best way for me.

[niky]

*rion: that's usually true. The only commercially available supercharger kit for my car is around 220k - 300k (depending on trim level), while the most expensive turbocharger kit for it is around 190k... but it'll come out at a similar price due to US shipping, I suppose.

There are cheap superchargers, actually, but then again, they still can't produce as much power as a similar turbo kit, but again, they're usually more streetable, with less lag.

*Kikkoman: There's pros and cons with both. With a turbo or a supercharger, you can keep the boost pressure low to preserve your engine. Despite this, it'll still be quick enough for daily work at maybe 6-7 psi and 150-170hp. It'll cost you more than swapping in a MIVEC, but at least everything else remains stock.

If you swap in an engine, make sure you pick a good installer. Wiring problems and incompatibility are the biggest downfall of engine swaps. You might want to PM ssaloon and ask advice about who to go to for your swap if your decision is final.

Good luck... and happy motoring.

[ssaloon]

an advantage for superchargers is that they produce minimal lag compared to turbochargers. but someone once told me that turbo lag is simply a courtesy head start

[blink21me]

There is something they call "anti-lag" for turbo's, even if you put your foot off the gas, you don't lose the power in a sudden unlike usual turbo setups... Wish I had more info on these anti-lag's...

There are many differences between Turbochagers and Superchargers I don't have enough knowledge about to talk about ... All I know is I am more likely to go SC rather than turbo... SC does not make your car less reliable, street legal (CA), they're supposed to be smoother and thus better to drive with, I like the whinning sound heheh, and, power is just not what I'm after... I wouldn't need power to go faster...

[Dieseldude]

Mamar,

Most turbos have blow-off valves, either for gas or diesels. These are normally referred to as wastegates. Boost pressure is plumbed through a pilot line to the wastegate actuator. At a predtermined boost pressure, the actuator pushes a valve to dump exhaust gasses to the exhaust pipe, and bypass the turbine wheel. This limits turbo rpm and boost pressure, providing safe operation to the turbo, as well as the engine.