Oxygen Sensor help

**sonjeffrey** · December 23rd, 2007 06:32 PM

anywayz, I already know and understand some of the info you posted here (mainly the "basic" functions of the CAT, O2 and HO2 systems.. I learned that in our Auto class in High School!) but if your telling us that an O2 sensor on a modern car is not imortant (wether if its a OBD-ZERO *1979-1990*, OBD-ONE *1991-1996*, OBD-TWO *1997-Present*) then that is completely retarded.

*** Actually OBD1 started on 1980
OBD2 started 1988 up to present, ... check the posts * OBD 2 by yours truly...

About the importance of O2 sensor... completely retarded nga kaya ang manufacturer ng 1997 Lancer GLXi, dahil walang equipped na 02 sensor yung vehicle na nirelease nila??.... and from your point of view (OBD-TWO *1997-Present*) pasok sya dyan???

Little knowledge is dangerous.... Peace pa rin!!!

**KBR** · December 23rd, 2007 06:59 PM

Actually OBD1 started on 1980
OBD2 started 1988 up to present, ... check the posts * OBD 2 by yours truly...

About the importance of O2 sensor... completely retarded nga kaya ang manufacturer ng 1997 Lancer GLXi, dahil walang equipped na 02 sensor yung vehicle na nirelease nila??.... and from your point of view (OBD-TWO *1997-Present*) pasok sya dyan???

Little knowledge is dangerous.... Peace pa rin!!!

haha, well.. I'm not sure where you are getting your so called "information" from..

check this out for some "little" knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-Board_Diagnostics

basahin mo nalang ng mabuti para ma intindihan mo point ko.

Knowledge Is Power pare koy'

aite, peace.

**KBR** · December 23rd, 2007 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by sonjeffrey

KBR,
Sorry, i mean LEAN..
Hmmmm... you're great kasi sa high school mo pa natutunan yan... anyway... High school pa lang din naman ako ngayon... LoL...
FYI may mga engines na may ECU/ECM na walang O2 sensor, and its up for you to find out....
By the way if your opinion that all cars with electronic carb/ mpi/ efi/sfi ... Then how come that webmiester's car doesnt have one???

Peace din po sir!!!

then may isang simpleng sagot diyan, iba siguro ang system ng mga Philippine Market na sasakyan.

aite, peace.

**sonjeffrey** · December 23rd, 2007 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by KBR

haha, well.. I'm not sure where you are getting your so called "information" from..
check this out for some "little" knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-Board_Diagnostics
basahin mo nalang ng mabuti para ma intindihan mo point ko.
Knowledge Is Power pare koy'
aite, peace.

Ooopsss.. sa wikipedia mo pala binabasa.. Anyway... di naman mali yan...
ako kasi pre, i was connected with GM before, which is the Pioneer in OBD...i worked with these stuff everyday for two years... from research, hands-on, to teaching.....
Try mo na lang kaya basahin ang post ko sa OBD2... set aside your pride muna.... baka makatulong pa..

Peace!!!

**KBR** · December 23rd, 2007 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by sonjeffrey

Ooopsss.. sa wikipedia mo pala binabasa.. Anyway... di naman mali yan...
ako kasi pre, i was connected with GM before, which is the Pioneer in OBD...i worked with these stuff everyday for two years... from research, hands-on, to teaching.....
Try mo na lang kaya basahin ang post ko sa OBD2... set aside your pride muna.... baka makatulong pa..

Peace!!!

well, hindi lang ako nag babasa sa Wikipedia. kundi I learned all of these information through 9 1/2 yrs. of HANDS ON Automotive experience, mainly in Japanese and European cars. although I also work on American cars, mas kabisado ko ang Japanese & European.

kaya kung babalik tayo sa topic, si sir Webmiester eh nag tatanong kung pwede ang O2 sensor para sa kotse niya, which is a Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi. well, Mitsubishi ay gawang hapon.. hindi kano. so nung pumasok ka at nag bigay ng mga info (which happend na its all from GM) eh nag taka nalang ako. since iba talaga ang technology ng GM sa Mitsubishi... hindi ma-a-apply. hindi mo pwedeng sabihin na "hindi mo kailangan ang O2 sensor sa kotse mo.. kasi yun ang sabi ng natutunan ko sa GM" which really doesnt make sense.

anywayz, ok na sana kung GM ang kotse ni Webmeister.. eh pinabayaan nalang kita. ikaw nalang ang tumulong.

then again, like I said.. kung mangyaring wala talagang O2 sensor ang 1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi ni sir Webmeister, its either been tampered with.. missing or simply na walang O2 sensor (or even have no CAT converter) ang Philippine Market na '97 Lancer GLXi. which IMHO, is ****ed up.

aite, peace.

**sonjeffrey** · December 23rd, 2007 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by KBR

haha, well.. I'm not sure where you are getting your so called "information" from..

check this out for some "little" knowledge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-Board_Diagnostics

basahin mo nalang ng mabuti para ma intindihan mo point ko.

Knowledge Is Power pare koy'

aite, peace.

Originally Posted by KBR

well, hindi lang ako nag babasa sa Wikipedia. kundi I learned all of these information through 9 1/2 yrs. of HANDS ON Automotive experience, mainly in Japanese and European cars. although I also work on American cars, mas kabisado ko ang Japanese & European.

kaya kung babalik tayo sa topic, si sir Webmiester eh nag tatanong kung pwede ang O2 sensor para sa kotse niya, which is a Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi. well, Mitsubishi ay gawang hapon.. hindi kano. so nung pumasok ka at nag bigay ng mga info (which happend na its all from GM) eh nag taka nalang ako. since iba talaga ang technology ng GM sa Mitsubishi... hindi ma-a-apply. hindi mo pwedeng sabihin na "hindi mo kailangan ang O2 sensor sa kotse mo.. kasi yun ang sabi ng natutunan ko sa GM" which really doesnt make sense.

anywayz, ok na sana kung GM ang kotse ni Webmeister.. eh pinabayaan nalang kita. ikaw nalang ang tumulong.

then again, like I said.. kung mangyaring wala talagang O2 sensor ang 1997 Mitsubishi Lancer GLXi ni sir Webmeister, its either been tampered with.. missing or simply na walang O2 sensor (or even have no CAT converter) ang Philippine Market na '97 Lancer GLXi. which IMHO, is ****ed up.

aite, peace.

Sige na,,, tama ka na lang.. so as this thread not to close...
LolZ.....My only question is... Ba't gagawing standard ng Federal Law, kung iba-ibang systema din naman pala ang gagamitin? Wew!!!

**KBR** · December 24th, 2007 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by sonjeffrey

Sige na,,, tama ka na lang.. so as this thread not to close...
LolZ.....My only question is... Ba't gagawing standard ng Federal Law, kung iba-ibang systema din naman pala ang gagamitin? Wew!!!

well Jeff, hindi ko sinasabi na "tama" ako. well, kung ikaw eh tama din.. specially pag dating sa mga GM technology, etc.. siyempre since na pinag aralan mo yan.

back to the topic:

anywayz, here in the US it is required that all vehicles to have OBD systems & Smog Equipments (specially on Gasoline engines... Diesel engines are exempted.. for now.) and wether if its a Japanese, European or American car, as long as the vehicle is sold and operated here in the United States, it has to comply with the Air Resource Board (for ex: CARB = California Air Resource Board) & EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).

this CARB program is made to help reduce dangerous Exhaust Gas Emissions or SMOG, specially in heavy populated states (like here in California).

so even though the OBD (ex: OBD-0,1,2a,2b.. etc.) & Emission systems (ex: O2 sensor, EGR valve, PCV valve, Catalytic Converter, Smog Pump, Charcoal Canister.. etc.) are different on each vehicles (different in terms of shape, location, size, abreviations, part #'s, etc..). they still have to work the same way (which is to maximize Fuel Efficiency, reduce Exhaust Gas Emmisions or SMOG and to help protect & save the Environment.)

aite, peace.

**sonjeffrey** · December 24th, 2007 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by KBR

well Jeff, hindi ko sinasabi na "tama" ako. well, kung ikaw eh tama din.. specially pag dating sa mga GM technology, etc.. siyempre since na pinag aralan mo yan.

back to the topic:

anywayz, here in the US it is required that all vehicles to have OBD systems & Smog Equipments (specially on Gasoline engines... Diesel engines are exempted.. for now.) and wether if its a Japanese, European or American car, as long as the vehicle is sold and operated here in the United States, it has to comply with the Air Resource Board (for ex: CARB = California Air Resource Board) & EPA (Environmental Protection Agency).

this CARB program is made to help reduce dangerous Exhaust Gas Emissions or SMOG, specially in heavy populated states (like here in California).

so even though the OBD (ex: OBD-0,1,2a,2b.. etc.) & Emission systems (ex: O2 sensor, EGR valve, PCV valve, Catalytic Converter, Smog Pump, Charcoal Canister.. etc.) are different on each vehicles (different in terms of shape, location, size, abreviations, part #'s, etc..). they still have to work the same way (which is to maximize Fuel Efficiency, reduce Exhaust Gas Emmisions or SMOG and to help protect & save the Environment.)

aite, peace.

OK. Pareho naman pala tayong tama..
Pre... gawa na lang tayo ng academy...

Lolz....

**dennis powell** · December 25th, 2007 03:23 AM

ang galing ninyong dalawa,eh sana yung mga natutunan nyo ay ishare nyo na lang yan sa ibang nangangailangan ng tulong,kesa nagyayabangan kayo.ang daming nanghihingi ng tulong pero yung iba walang mga sagot,sana sinagot nyo na lang yun kesa naggugugul kayo ng panahon dito para lang ipakita kung sino sa inyong dalawa ang magaling.sa akin naman sinishare ko yung aking nalalaman at pwede nilang pakinabangan kung tama,eh kung mali naman, its simply just need to be corrected by fellow tsikoters or even you guys.

**KBR** · December 25th, 2007 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by dennis powell

ang galing ninyong dalawa,eh sana yung mga natutunan nyo ay ishare nyo na lang yan sa ibang nangangailangan ng tulong,kesa nagyayabangan kayo.ang daming nanghihingi ng tulong pero yung iba walang mga sagot,sana sinagot nyo na lang yun kesa naggugugul kayo ng panahon dito para lang ipakita kung sino sa inyong dalawa ang magaling.sa akin naman sinishare ko yung aking nalalaman at pwede nilang pakinabangan kung tama,eh kung mali naman, its simply just need to be corrected by fellow tsikoters or even you guys.

thanks for the concern Dennis, and you are actually right.

anywayz, I wasnt tryin to be a dick here.. nor tryin to show that I know it all. I signed up here in Tsikot.com para tumulong din (share technical knowledge, info, know-how.. etc..) and I do the same way wether I'm at a different Automotive Forum.

aite, peace.