Electric Bikes

[orly_andico]

*niky, he has a problem with his idle air control valve. hence the poor mileage. it's a 1.6L. i've gotten as low as 4.5km/L on the 626 (pathological: 4 hours stuck in crawling traffic) although right now i'm getting 7-ish on a daily basis. but that's a manual.

[niky]

Hehe... Am pulling close to ten in traffic now, but that's with a light foot.

But back to the issue, though electric bikes may not save you much versus gas bikes, that doesn't take into account the electricity you can steal by charging in the company garage... :exclaim:

As an aside... how much are the Luyuan bikes with regenerative braking?

Of course, the best is always a human-powered bicycle. Too bad closed-canopy HPVs (the bullet shaped bikes) never caught on... top speeds of over 100 km/h, cruising speeds of around 60 km/h, and they're weather protected and cool as hell... but then, they're too low to the ground to be safe in traffic, plus imagine what happens when you hit a pothole taller than the vehicle....

[orly_andico]

*niky,
what's your route? you're getting 10-ish in daily traffic with the same engine? hm. how'd you do that. i only manage 12km/L going to baguio.

i only drive about 25km per day, at an average speed of 15km/h (morning, from home to office is 10km but it takes 40 minutes to an hour). afternoon is 15km (it's asymmetric), takes about 30 minutes.

the luyuan 350-watter is 31,500 according to the article by James Deakin in the star. you can contact the featured seller himself via email, Luis Vargas luckylou*pldtdsl.net

I've seen that same luyuan for sale on e-bay for $500-ish. so the 31,500 local price inclusive of a 2-year warranty is already a good deal.

[CaRGirL]

OT?? i think the subject is about Electric Bikes.

thanx!

[theveed]

OT nga hehe

[niky]

Hehe... lighter car, variable intake, distributorless engine. There's some life in this old dinosaur yet. Plus, it seems to have gained some efficiency since it was broken in. (at 47000 kms now)

*Cargirl: sorry for the OT, ma'am!

I read that there was a locally made and government approved motorized pedicab for sale here, also. But that's gasoline.

[orly_andico]

while on the topic of motorcycles in general...

this article is pretty damn scary
http://www.engr.colostate.edu/comm/n...n&cat=8&id=117

and i quote
"In the developed world, nearly all vehicles are powered by cleaner four-stroke engines. However, in developing nations, two-strokes are favored for personal transportation due to their low cost, durability and high power-to-weight ratio," said Lorenz. "Unfortunately, the simple two-stroke engine has so much pollution that one small tricycle may produce the same amount of pollution as 30 to 50 modern automobiles. The 250,000 tricycles in Manila contribute pollution equivalent to 10 million Honda Accords."

[CaRGirL]

switch to e-bikes!! hehehe

[Fozel]

Hi guys,I just joined this on line group and I am currently assigned here in China.On your inquiry related to the e bike as this is popularly known here in CHINA,they use it for their everyday means of transport.The good thing here is they have a bike lane so you are not in any danger of being "over run " by our four wheeled vehicles.Reliabilty wise,two years of battery life is Ok since this is almost the same with Our Maintenece Free batteries(Incidentally I am aso a car owner a 1993 HONDA CIVIC which incidentally I drove using the RORO system from Luzon down to your beautiful place in the SOUTH-Cebu)

If ou have some tchnical questions I am more than willing to reply to the best of my ability.

Incidentally,I have an e bike sent to the Phils. and really the problem is the LTO issue that some of you mentioned....

[mazda626]

Hello,

I know the Dealer of the Luyuan bikes.. Mr L. Vargas. He is a nice and friendly guy. I bought one of the bikes from him and I am currently using it almost every morning for my errands... plenty of times I am actually using it to go to work as my work is only 4 km away... about 15 to 30 minutes by car...

when I use my e bike... it only takes 15 minutes tops with all the traffic light stops... if only the weather is always good for scootering, I would use it everyday....unfortunately, my wife is paranoid with potential accidents...so what i do, is I use the bike anyway..hehehehe.... I am now saving 3-4 thousand a month as this is my original monthly expense when i use my mazda626 hatchback 2.0 li EFI engine... car runs surprisingly at 8-11 km/li when using Khaos on city and provincial rides...so 8km/l in the city... and usually almost 10km/l for provincial trips... but due to current gas prices, i bought a 1.3 toyota xl and am selling that mazda..... to keep my story short, there are still times that we need cars.... but having an alternative to save money and also empower us to help minimize global warming at our level ...... I LOVE MY E-BIKE!

this is a link if you want to view my scooter
http://www.visforvoltage.com/forums/...23&t=3894&st=0

other links
http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com...t=48719&page=3

[mazda626]

compare with say a Getz. 12km/L and 43 pesos/L = 3.58/km not counting maintenance. or a Honda XRM, 50km/L = 0.86/L. so the electric scooter is not cheaper than a gasoline powered scooter because of the battery replacement issue.

Sorry i did not get what you meant by that...

that was actually a nice comparison....but here is how I think when I roughly compare them

gas consumption
car: 6 to maybe 50 km/li in some models
gas bikes: 8 to 100 km/li depending on model
e bike: 100 to maybe 300 km/li

if we factor in battery maintenance cost:
I believe the Getz needs battery replacement also... even the xrm needs regular battery replacement... so battery replacement of 3-4 thousand a month as a maintenance cost every 1-2 years for an e-bike is not a real turn off... so far, after several months of use, my battery is fine. I just had to replace some wire plugs/adaptors for a more reliable connection... a few silicon spray on the moving parts...that is it... it's plug and play!
so
car: about 3000 per year if maintenance free
gas bike: about 500 to 900 pesos / year
e bike: about 3500 to 4500 pesos / 1.5 to 2 years

Oil consumption
car: regular engine oil change...maybe 2 thou / 3 months
gas bikes: regular oil change ...maybe 1 thousand / 3 months
e bike: occasional silicon spray on the moving parts/bearing areas, usually the wheels.... 200 pesos one can lasts a long time.

its nice to do the math...

considering that e-bike users are also helping avoid harmful green house gas contributions...that explain beginning mass extinction of species, drowning polar bears, melting glaciers revealing borrowed islands, extreme flooding and drought globally according to scientists, etc etc.... true or not, I suggest we go easy on e-bike believers....

tire consumption:
car: 2,500-5000/tire times 4 every 2-5 years
gas bikes: 1000-2000/tire times 2 every 2-5 years
e bikes: maybe the same as gas bikes

and so on and so forth ...etc etc which are also all worth considering and discussing.,, i hope somebody does.

I am just glad I am one of those persons who can easily adapt biking into my lifestyle, otherwise... kung wala akong tyaga, siguro ma-iinggit lang ako sa nag ba-bike... i may only rationalize that bikes are accident prone daw (even if actual statistics prove that 4 wheelers have more accidents considering other factors) ... I may also rationalize that bikers are "of a lower kind" daw.... barumbado sa karsada ... (even if in reality, there are a lot of highly educated and upper class people enjoying bikes and who know when to speed up and know when to just cruise along)..hehehe.. so if you are planning to buy an e bike for errands and short distance travel, you can't go wrong.... welcome to the club....expect critics.

[LAebike]

I agree with you. We, both a seller and user of electric bikes, experience user-friendly, maintenance-free vehicle as an alternative to cars, especially on short trips.

Pls. check out our LA e bike More Powerful and More Reliable Brand Electric Bike Philippines - 3602875

The e-bikes battery could last up to 1 year or more, depending on the care and frequency of use. But a Php 7,000.00 worth of battery for 1 year, is better than loading a gasoline every 3 days and registering your motorcycle/car every year with LTO.
We actually have a copy of the memorandum from LTO that electric bicycles do not require registration. What they require are those LEV. Light Electric Vehicle. Electric vehicles that are more than 500Watts, no pedals, etc.

Should you need more info, please log on to www.global-ebikes.com.

[LAebike]

Electric powered motorcycles: Any ideas or experiences? Are they reliable?

I'm thinking of buying one for my daily home/office commute since I live just 1-2km away from my office don't want to wear out my car engine by driving it short distances everyday...

check this out
LA e bike More Powerful and More Reliable Brand Electric Bike Philippines - 3602875

[Leeroy Atienza]

try the Imove. Smaller version of imove. When you use this as your mode of trasportation, All eyes will be on you. Eco friendly because its battery operated. check their website

IMOVE- same pronciple as Segway

[cripple_rooster]

This one is a Zero Dual-Sport. American-made, with Lithium-iron batteries.

[anthon05]

my brother bought an ebike from TAiLG MARKETING shop located at starmall edsa. he bought one with a pedal just in case

ma low batt and the other one na mukhang scooter. I tried it may hatak naman kasi 800 watts yung eScooter. sabi ng brod ko

battery last for 3days ran it aroung 25km a day. im also thinking of buying one , i travel 20km a day to the office and house.


good idea kaya ito? if battery is 5 to 7k a year, better pa yata yung d gasolina na lang.

[ghosthunter]

my brother bought an ebike from TAiLG MARKETING shop located at starmall edsa. he bought one with a pedal just in case

ma low batt and the other one na mukhang scooter. I tried it may hatak naman kasi 800 watts yung eScooter. sabi ng brod ko

battery last for 3days ran it aroung 25km a day. im also thinking of buying one , i travel 20km a day to the office and house.


good idea kaya ito? if battery is 5 to 7k a year, better pa yata yung d gasolina na lang.

Consider that the Li-Ion battery will be expensive to replace. You might want to check just how much it would cost you to replace it. Assume the battery will have a life of around 500 cycles. So aside from the electricity cost, factor in the cost of the battery replacement to have the true operating cost.

[holdencaulfield]

get a gas fed moped instead!

[technohobby]

Boss anthon 05, i also have tailg ebike my 1st ebike buy ko pa sa ilocos norte branch nila, 1yr and 5 months na saakin running good pa, upgraded na nga po yung ebike ko ^^, and my 2nd and 3rd unit sa pasay branch ko na binili 1st branch nila d2 sa manila same sa starmall 2nd brand nila here in manila.. sir hindi po kada taaon kayo dapat magpalit ng battery kung sa charging walang pong problema, no need to drain the battery para icharge nyo ulit.. ako nga sir every gamit ko charge ko agad kasi po lead acid po battery nyan masamang nadrain like li-ion battery na ginagamit ng mga advance country like us. kung maala nyo sir li-ion din baterya ng mga digicam no need to drain diba for long life span ng battery photographers can prove that ^^, sana po nakatulong po info ko po sainyo...

[technohobby]

Boss anthon 05, i also have tailg ebike my 1st ebike buy ko pa sa ilocos norte branch nila, 1yr and 5 months na saakin running good pa, upgraded na nga po yung ebike ko ^^, and my 2nd and 3rd unit sa pasay branch ko na binili 1st branch nila d2 sa manila same sa starmall 2nd brand nila here in manila.. sir hindi po kada taaon kayo dapat magpalit ng battery kung sa charging walang pong problema, no need to drain the battery para icharge nyo ulit.. ako nga sir every gamit ko charge ko agad kasi po lead acid po battery nyan masamang nadrain like li-ion battery na ginagamit ng mga advance country like us. kung maala nyo sir li-ion din baterya ng mga digicam no need to drain diba for long life span ng battery photographers can prove that ^^, sana po nakatulong po info ko po sainyo...