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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_BIG18 View Post
    Ah....is # 2 passed on from generation to generation?

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    i believe it can.
    certain kinds of depression are known to be inherited. the parent had it.. the child has it..
    in the recent psychiatric publications,it is now theorized that a number of psychiatric illnesses, actually have an organic basis.
    "there is mis-communication among the various parts of the brain." either from acquired disease, or from genetics.
    either a lack of certain communication molecules, or a over-production of some molecules.
    it causes some brain centers to go in cycles, resulting in certain behaviors, such as obsessive-compulsive behavior..

    these are true revelations. back when we were students, it was all conveniently swept under the rug as "for some unknown reason..."

    of course, "wala sa lahi namin niyan".
    purebreed kami, at hindi mongrels.
    heh heh.

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    A bit expensive nga psychiatrist consult but theres a lot of patients who avail of it. Hindi lang advertised since there’s doctor-patient confidentiality and patients themselves dont tell their relatives and friends.
    Isa pang super in demand ngayon is child psych for hyperactive and autistic kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JJB View Post
    A bit expensive nga psychiatrist consult but theres a lot of patients who avail of it. Hindi lang advertised since there’s doctor-patient confidentiality and patients themselves dont tell their relatives and friends.
    Isa pang super in demand ngayon is child psych for hyperactive and autistic kids.


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    yes, they are expensive.
    but a number of patients say their conditions improved with it + medication.

    yesterday's makulit kids are today's adhd.
    yesteryear's tongo kids are today's autistic.

    as a sweeping statement, many filipinos are still uncomfortable with the idea that someone in their family, or they themselves, are seeing a head shrinker.
    kinahihiya nila.
    Last edited by dr. d; May 20th, 2018 at 11:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    1. psychiatrist! bakit! hindi ako baliw!!
    2. wala sa lahi namin yan! hindi kami mga sira-ulo!
    3. kulang lang sa pansin..!
    4. na-kulam! hanap tayo ng anti-kulam!

    truly, the local public's perceptions regarding mental illness and psychiatry, are still in the dark ages.
    #1 Common reaction. It's embarrassing.

    #2 Can have a genetic link:

    "Scientists have long recognized that many psychiatric disorders tend to run in families, suggesting potential genetic roots. Such disorders include autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), bipolar disorder, major depression and schizophrenia."

    #3 KSP is one of the many symptoms of mental illness.

    "Histrionic personality disorder is characterized by constant attention-seeking, emotional overreaction, and suggestibility. A person with this condition tends to over-dramatize situations, which may impair relationships and lead to depression. "

    #4 There is no medical cure for mental illness. There are disagreements and debates whether to consider psychiatry as a science.

    "Modern psychiatry, with its psychotropic medications and psychotherapies, is not as scientific or as effective as we would like, but it has undeniably saved lives and improved the quality of life of countless sufferers." - Harriet Hall, MD

    "Once in treatment, your physician or psychologist rarely mentions the word “cure.” Cure is what doctors do for a broken wrist or scurvy. Set the wrist or give the patient a vitamin C shot, and voila! Done. Treating mental illness rarely results in a “cure,” per se. What it does result in is a person feeling better, getting better, and eventually no longer needing treatment (in most cases). But even then, rarely will a professional say, “Yes, you’re cured of your depression.

    Which brings me back to the question — how do you cure mental illness? The answer — you don’t. You help people understand what it is, learn and engage new ways of coping with its symptoms, and help them do the best they can with the resources they have available. Right now, there’s no “cure” for mental illness."

    - Psychcentral

    If there's no cure and it's not science, then what is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brushless View Post
    #1 Common reaction. It's embarrassing.

    #2 Can have a genetic link:

    "Scientists have long recognized that many psychiatric disorders tend to run in families, suggesting potential genetic roots. Such disorders include autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), bipolar disorder, major depression and schizophrenia."

    #3 KSP is one of the many symptoms of mental illness.

    "Histrionic personality disorder is characterized by constant attention-seeking, emotional overreaction, and suggestibility. A person with this condition tends to over-dramatize situations, which may impair relationships and lead to depression. "

    #4 There is no medical cure for mental illness. There are disagreements and debates whether to consider psychiatry as a science.

    "Modern psychiatry, with its psychotropic medications and psychotherapies, is not as scientific or as effective as we would like, but it has undeniably saved lives and improved the quality of life of countless sufferers." - Harriet Hall, MD

    "Once in treatment, your physician or psychologist rarely mentions the word “cure.” Cure is what doctors do for a broken wrist or scurvy. Set the wrist or give the patient a vitamin C shot, and voila! Done. Treating mental illness rarely results in a “cure,” per se. What it does result in is a person feeling better, getting better, and eventually no longer needing treatment (in most cases). But even then, rarely will a professional say, “Yes, you’re cured of your depression.

    Which brings me back to the question — how do you cure mental illness? The answer — you don’t. You help people understand what it is, learn and engage new ways of coping with its symptoms, and help them do the best they can with the resources they have available. Right now, there’s no “cure” for mental illness."

    - Psychcentral

    If there's no cure and it's not science, then what is it?
    It’s still science or medicine if you’re trying to look for a cure. There are billions of dollars in research right now to look for cures to countless diseases.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JJB View Post
    It’s still science or medicine if you’re trying to look for a cure. There are billions of dollars in research right now to look for cures to countless diseases.

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    Thus, the debate.

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    #20017
    From psychiatrists themselves: Skip at 1:18



    “There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.” “It’s bull—. I mean, you just can’t define it.” — Allen Frances, Psychiatrist and former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman

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    Quote Originally Posted by BratPAQ View Post
    Bakit sa pinas wala yung tulad ng mga napapanood ko sa US na may therapy pag depressed? Is phychiatrist too expensive for regular Juan dela Cruz?

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    yung matagal na may nararamdaman sa katawan ayaw pa magpa-doktor yun pa matagal na may kalungkutan

    di pa ganun ka-evolved ang society natin para mag seek help for psychiatric disorders

    coz sa physical ailments palang undertreated na ang mga tao

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    Quote Originally Posted by brushless View Post
    From psychiatrists themselves: Skip at 1:18



    “There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.” “It’s bull—. I mean, you just can’t define it.” — Allen Frances, Psychiatrist and former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman
    i agree. for now.

    my belief regarding the "..no laboratory, exam or xray test..." is that, we simply do not know what test to perform, or how to interpret it, or, the test does not yet exist in the laboratory.
    i believe we are limited by our ignorance.
    but i am hopeful, that in the future, such tests will be available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brushless View Post

    If there's no cure and it's not science, then what is it?
    if the medication works, even if only a bit, then it's a science.
    a science bent on finding out why it works in some, and not in many.
    and in how the batting average can be improved.

    that is how science begins.
    first, by observing.
    then, by asking questions.
    then, by theorizing.
    then, by proving or disproving the theory.
    and somewhere along the way, medication.

    psychiatry is still in its infancy.
    as is the rest of medicine.

    "the more we know, the more we realize that we know very little."
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