What do you believe in? Evolution or creationism?

[CoDer]

hehehe....nakakapagod no...thanks for being patient bro....

OT: you're catholic before then atheist then born again?..just wanna know bro...ako catholic then atheist.

Korek bro. catholic before then atheist then born again...

[theveed]

Di naman tayo nagaaway hehe, makukulit na usapan lang... naka 15 pages na, tapos na ba to?

Teka, sino ba nagumpisa netong thread... heheh

[CoDer]

Hehehe... tingin ko tapos na to.

[wren]

tapos na? thank God! oops, sorry, don't want to start it over again.

[slamtaz]

imo and i maybe OT...

>>>existence of spirits have already been proven. ("The Spirit's Book" by Allan Kardec)

>>>evolution & creationism as discussed here are both part of the grand design of LIFE.

>>>the commandment "thou shall not kill" did not state humans, animals or even insects, did it? maybe, this is the basis of true vegetarians... feeding only from the fruit of the earth (i.e. fruits, milk, water)

>>>this is a bit far fetch but its like asking: what do we have, destiny or free-will?

>>>the Alpha & the Omega... either there is truth to this or everything else will boil down to the familiar question of whichever comes first, the chicken or the egg?

>>>there is a bit of truth in all that we're discussing here and my analogy works like this: let's say a scientist conducted an experiment to find out how four persons will describe an elephant based on the premise that all these four person haven't seen, heard or known about an elephant since birth. these four people will be blindfolded and located on 1) left side of the elephant 2) front side of the elephant 3) back side of the elephant 4) above the elephant.

after removing the blindfold, everyone was ask to describe the elephant and so 1) a long nose, one ear, one eye, big body, two legs, one tail 2) a long nose, two instead of one ear, two instead of one eye, big body, two legs but no tail 3) no nose, no ear, no eyes, big body, two legs and one tail 4) a long nose, two instead of one ear, two instead of one eye, big body, one tail but definitely no legs...

isn't it interesting to find out that, given our limited perspective, there can be a lot of interpretation about the truth and probably no one has yet defined truth a 100%...

peace to all

[slamtaz]

ooops... soweeee... bagal kasi ako magtype kaya naunahan at meron na palang closing remarks. ignore na lng ha

[theveed]

Ahh, adding fuel to a dying fire...

Let's not get started with spirits, just because an author published it doesn't make it true, unless may nacapture and pwede ipakita sa lahat na nasa garapon yung spirit na yan hehe.

sn't it interesting to find out that, given our limited perspective, there can be a lot of interpretation about the truth and probably no one has yet defined truth a 100%...

Trueth... :D

[CoDer]

Hahahahaha... Hindi na matatapos to.

No discussion on scientific proof about spirit ha.

Walang katapusang sablay ang aabutin natin dyan.

[slamtaz]

Ahh, adding fuel to a dying fire...

Let's not get started with spirits, just because an author published it doesn't make it true, unless may nacapture and pwede ipakita sa lahat na nasa garapon yung spirit na yan hehe.

kawawa naman ang mga bulag at wala sila pwede paniwalaan dahil sa wala silang makita... hehehe

[theveed]

May bulag na multo kaya? Hmm

[city]

May bulag na multo kaya? Hmm

hahahaha

[CoDer]

Aaahahahaha.... biglang nabaling sa multo ang usapan.

Balita ko dami nyan sa lumang bahay.

Ahhhh... totoo bang may aswang?

Hahahahahaaa...

[city]

imo and i maybe OT...

>>>existence of spirits have already been proven. ("The Spirit's Book" by Allan Kardec)

>>>evolution & creationism as discussed here are both part of the grand design of LIFE.

>>>the commandment "thou shall not kill" did not state humans, animals or even insects, did it? maybe, this is the basis of true vegetarians... feeding only from the fruit of the earth (i.e. fruits, milk, water)

>>>this is a bit far fetch but its like asking: what do we have, destiny or free-will?

>>>the Alpha & the Omega... either there is truth to this or everything else will boil down to the familiar question of whichever comes first, the chicken or the egg?

>>>there is a bit of truth in all that we're discussing here and my analogy works like this: let's say a scientist conducted an experiment to find out how four persons will describe an elephant based on the premise that all these four person haven't seen, heard or known about an elephant since birth. these four people will be blindfolded and located on 1) left side of the elephant 2) front side of the elephant 3) back side of the elephant 4) above the elephant.

after removing the blindfold, everyone was ask to describe the elephant and so 1) a long nose, one ear, one eye, big body, two legs, one tail 2) a long nose, two instead of one ear, two instead of one eye, big body, two legs but no tail 3) no nose, no ear, no eyes, big body, two legs and one tail 4) a long nose, two instead of one ear, two instead of one eye, big body, one tail but definitely no legs...

isn't it interesting to find out that, given our limited perspective, there can be a lot of interpretation about the truth and probably no one has yet defined truth a 100%...

peace to all

1-xtian
2-muslim
3-bhuddist
4-hindu


scientist=atheist

[oldblue]

coder.....tell us how to prove something that don't exist..

speaking in tongues is not acceptable....anybody can fake that

science seems agreeable with the concept of multiverses or other wordly dimensions. but it doesnt exist as of now. and they're (the scientists) keen on proving it and are so enthusiastic about it.

what moves them? what interests them? that is faith in another sense, in a different point of view. but still faith of the unknown.

[oldblue]

This is the thing about creationism vs evolution that makes me question the creationists...

There's a big difference kasi with the two concepts in how their respective supporters argue their cases.

Evolution - supporters ACCEPT THAT IT'S A THEORY... By that, we also accept that whatever scientists have discovered, it's not the end, it's not finite and there are more questions unanswered, which other scientists CONTINUE to pursue.

Creationist - Genesis, that's it, final, closed book, no more arguments, no more questions allowed.

i've read a lot of books in my life. in fact, at one time, I even believed the "Hollow Earth Theory". The theory wherein there are two holes in both the north and the south pole (which is supported by satellite images), and there is an inner sun. The buddhists btw believed in this - the Shambala, the heaven beneath the earth. and these beings have the swastika sign, similar to the Nazi sign of Nazi Germany. Their purpose to give balance to the world we live in, bec. we all live on the same boat (inner or outer, it's still earth), figuratively speaking.

I was also not convinced about the bible. I wanted to read history in another point of view, other than the bible. somebody once told that to learn the truth, go ancient . and so I did read about ancient Egyptians, Atlanteans, Mayans, Lemurians, the mahabatra of ancient India, the ancient continents of Atlantis (Atlantic Ocean) and Lemuria (Pacific Ocean), and their wars that contributed to the Pole Shift of the Earth, hence Noah's Ark. I even went as far as the early middle dark ages and the crusades - the warriors of God and the Pope.

my advise try to read this. who knows? some readings of the bible, particularly the old testament were in context of this ancient history. readings like the destruction of a civilization known as Sodom and Gomorrah.

sabi ko nga earlier in this thread, follow the world wars. it may or may provide the answers or pieces of the puzzle.

ito lang naman talaga masasabi ko, the question of creationism leaves a lot of things unanswered. and the quest for answers is not exclusive to us forumers here. the quest started thousands of years ago and many have died for it already.

Evolution, well it's just like any other science, is a boring way to define our existence. and even downright lazy at that in search for the truth. "we came from organisms that's it, next question pls"

[OTO]

If the Pope says "evolution" then "evolution" it is. Pati yung mga Orthodox Jews are pro-evolution.

[niky]

Just as an aside: Wala ako dito kahapon dahil nagpa-oil change ako sa casa... couldn't get the wireless internet to work there!

One last point, re: CoDer: re: chimps:

They may not evolve into a more intelligent species. There is no survival impetus in it as of yet. They are ideally suited to their arboreal environment, and are not subject to extreme depredation from predators.

Theoretically, whatever disaster forced proto-humans out of their jungle homes and onto the savannahs forced us to evolve quickly. Baboon troops live on the edges of the savannah successfully, but are not as articulate as chimps. But they're strong.

We were tree-swingers, yes? But not as strong as chimps or baboons, say... not physically able to defend ourselves well against predators. So we stayed in tight packs. When our forest home dwindled, we spread onto the plains, some of us falling victim to large predators. We gradually evolved to stand upright longer, all the better to view our surroundings and watch for predators. We adapted to having more meat in our diet, as we could not rely on vegetation for sustenance anymore. With more meat, we got bigger, stronger. Those who stood more upright could walk and run faster, because our forelimbs had evolved from our time in the trees and had become unsuitable for walking on. And they became useful for other things, throwing rocks at predators, brandishing sticks. At some point, we grew large enough to support larger brains. This is where intelligence really took off.

Evolution often goes hand in hand with Catastrophism. In other words, unless you are strained to the breaking point by some Catastrophe, or the threat of extinction, you will not evolve. That's why chimps and gorillas have stayed the same for a long time. That's why bears (who are arguably very intelligent) may never become intelligent enough to rival humans. They're all tough enough to survive anything in their environment, thus, no need for change.

It's true that Evolution may be like science fiction, storytelling, at times. But it's a story that takes into account existing evidence, and changes as new evidence is unearthed. Ika nga... Creationists only believe one thing, period... no matter how much evidence is uncovered. Intelligent Design proponents believe that everything is too complicated to understand (good luck to them, learning how to use their next cellphones! :lol: ). Scientists believe that humanity can understand anything, given enough time, observation, evidence and experimentation.

It's not true that they are all atheists. Some scientists do worship Christ, Yahweh, Allah or Buddha. Some worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster in secret (I do!) Some worship the future. Some worship humanity. But it takes a near religious conviction sometimes, to go on working on things that may not have relevance to them in their day to day lives, and which may cause them to be shunned by their peers and their churches (pity poor Galileo... he was a devout Catholic) but may be critical to the future of mankind.

[Zeus]

Evolution

[niky]

Nooooooooo!!!! DOn't open this thread!!!!! Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!!

[imontherhythm]

AFAIK..

Darwin confessed his sins before he died. He said that his "theory" was not true.
That's what my professor in history said.