What do you believe in? Evolution or creationism?

[city]

Palusot naman yan dre. Prove mo?

Hindi ako naniniwala sa Theory of Evolution tapos ang burden of proof nasa akin?

Ayaw mong maniwala na Diyos ang gumawa. Ok, I respect that. You can’t question my faith nor dare me to prove that God created all these because there’s no science in it.

Ang problema eh nasa side ka ng science eh. Now, prove the Theory of Evolution. Prove mo?

I was a defender of the Theory of Evolution before, kaya wag mong sabihin na hindi ako nagbabasa.

Wala sa akin ang burden of proof. nasa yo, prove mo?

google it up or scrol back at previous posts.

what changed your mind?

[Alpha_One]

dude, my reply was not for you, why bother to answer a reply not meant for you?

my reply was for city's statement that monkeys are different from apes. im just pointing out that apes/monkeys have very much in common (thats why they are similar in the dictionary) which is not saying they are COMPLETELY the same. its that simple.

if you think my argument is pointless and irrelevant to the discussion you can opt to just ignore it, leave it to the mods to judge that. are you a MOD?

All right, understood.

This is an open forum (to an extent), I can choose which argument I can reply to. I don't have to be a mod to participate in the argument, mind you (which is what I'm doing). I'm sure I'm not breaking any rules, and neither are you.

[CoDer]

Hahahahahahah!

Note that the "Theory of Evolution" isn't a "Law of Evolution".

Your hiding under "God is not a science" will not hold up in this conversation. I'd absolutely LOVE to see you defend your faith in front of buddhists/muslims/whatever. Tell if you are, I'd buy tickets. I'd like to see you get a taste of your own medicine.

You act as if you're the "supreme enlightened" and we are infidels.

Also, how can you say that he (or we) don't believe in God? Belief in God (whichever god, the Christian one included) and the Theory of Evolution are NOT mutually exclusive. Unless of course you take too literally the story of Genesis.

In case I haven't said it every other post in this thread, I'm a Christian. Not a hardcore Christian, but a Christian nonetheless.

Hahahaha.... pinagbibintangan mo na ako nyan ah. nahihilo ako sayo!

Ayos ba taglish ko? hehehehehe...

Ano ba talaga posisyon mo?

[CoDer]

google it up or scrol back at previous posts.

what changed your mind?

Ayun na. hehehehe...

lumalayo na tayo sa Theory na yan.

Prove mo na lang.... heheheheeee...

Wala akong problema sa paniniwala mo City, you have my respect.

Kaso nasa side ka ng Science eh. In that case you have to prove it.

[Alpha_One]

Ayos! kinagat. hehehehe....

I respect your point brod. Prove nyo na lang ang Theory of Evolution, yun lang.

Science eh. Prove it.

Hehehehe... nagmukha akong engot sa tagalog ko ah.

Essentially you're asking me (us) to disprove God, not prove evolution. You're using "God isn't a science, Evolution is, I can't prove God, prove evolution" as a magic shield to all of a sudden make your "arguments" immune to any form of attack.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest such a phenomenon, but at the same time there's a lot of pieces missing in the puzzle. To continue the puzzle analogy, you're building a jigsaw puzzle and from the incomplete puzzle you vaguely see the image of what appears dog. But the missing pieces suggest it "might" not be a dog. The existing pieces however, suggest that more likely than not, it is a dog. This is what the Theory of Evolution is, at the moment. You, being so "knowledgeable" about evolution having been a "defender" of it, should know better (hey, you said so yourself, you should know better!).

[Alpha_One]

Hahahaha.... pinagbibintangan mo na ako nyan ah. nahihilo ako sayo!

Ayos ba taglish ko? hehehehehe...

Ano ba talaga posisyon mo?

I'll try not to be the first guy to swear.

My position is Genesis could simply be a metaphor on how the universe was made. It could entirely be possible that God setup the universe and its natural processes, tweaking it as he went on ("And God said... blah blah"). The universe is one big puzzle left unsolved, and humans have been given the free will to see if he could solve it.

How difficult is it to see where I stand?! RELIGION AND SCIENCE ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE!

[CoDer]

Essentially you're asking me (us) to disprove God, not prove evolution. You're using "God isn't a science, Evolution is, I can't prove God, prove evolution" as a magic shield to all of a sudden make your "arguments" immune to any form of attack.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest such a phenomenon, but at the same time there's a lot of pieces missing in the puzzle. To continue the puzzle analogy, you're building a jigsaw puzzle and from the incomplete puzzle you vaguely see the image of what appears dog. But the missing pieces suggest it "might" not be a dog. The existing pieces however, suggest that more likely than not, it is a dog. This is what the Theory of Evolution is, at the moment. You, being so "knowledgeable" about evolution having been a "defender" of it, should know better (hey, you said so yourself, you should know better!).

Teka teka teka. mas lalo akong nahilo sayo.

I believe in God pre. Bat naman napunta sa disproving God to, parang ang lakilaki na ng kasalanan ko nyan ah. Life here on Earth evolved according to God's design.

Pumili ka Nag Evolved lang yang mag isa? o Ginawa ng Dyos? Evolution o creationism?

Ano ba talaga ang posisyon mo?

[CoDer]

I'll try not to be the first guy to swear.

My position is Genesis could simply be a metaphor on how the universe was made. It could entirely be possible that God setup the universe and its natural processes, tweaking it as he went on ("And God said... blah blah"). The universe is one big puzzle left unsolved, and humans have been given the free will to see if he could solve it.

How difficult is it to see where I stand?! RELIGION AND SCIENCE ARE NOT BLACK AND WHITE!

Abay problema mo na yan.

Lumalabo na ng lalo. pumili ka ng isa, wag mong pag haluin. It's either this? or that?

uy galit ka ha... talo ka na.... hehehehehe....

[city]

Ayun na. hehehehe...

lumalayo na tayo sa Theory na yan.

Prove mo na lang.... heheheheeee...

Wala akong problema sa paniniwala mo City, you have my respect.

Kaso nasa side ka ng Science eh. In that case you have to prove it.

stop being silly coder....you're exposing yourself to the whole community....you have been a defender of the theory and now you ask for proofs?...scientists has offered the proofs of the theory for countless times...it wouldn't be accepted as a theory if there aren't any proofs...

why do you want me to present proofs?..do you need me to reposts all the proofs and waste space and energy? Please save us this energy.

You cannot disprove this theory not unless you present experiments and evidences that the theory is false.

creationism is easily disproved because you won't be able to present any empirical evidences supporting your claim and it's based on faith.

[Alpha_One]

Abay problema mo na yan.

Lumalabo na ng lalo. pumili ka ng isa, wag mong pag haluin. It's either this? or that?

Yan ang pinaniniwalaan ko. Yes, that (kasi sabi mo this or that. Pilosopohan nalang tayo). Malinaw ba sayo? Malinaw naman saking naniniwala ka sa diyos, alang masama dun. Ngayon, kung naniniwala ako dun sa sinabi ko kanina, wala kang magagawa dun. Kung hindi mo maintindihan yun at nahihilo ka parin, pwes mag Paracetamol ka na. Malinaw naman yung sinabi ko. Sigurado ako maraming makakabasa nung post na yun na makakaintindi nun. Kung di mo maintindihan, problema mo na yun.

[CoDer]

stop being silly coder....you're exposing yourself to the whole community....you have been a defender of the theory and now you ask for proofs?...scientists has offered the proofs of the theory for countless times...it wouldn't be accepted as a theory if there aren't any proofs...

why do you want me to present proofs?..do you need me to reposts all the proofs and waste space and energy? Please save us this energy.

You cannot disprove this theory not unless you present experiments and evidences that the theory is false.

creationism is easily disproved because you won't be able to present any empirical evidences supporting your claim and it's based on faith.

Hehehe... biglang ginamit ang nakaraan ko.

Hindi panga proven yan. Prove mo nga.

Alam ko naman na hindi ka naniniwala sa Dyos, wala tayong problema dyan.

Prove mo lang ang Theory, hindi pa nga na prove yan ng science community tapos ipapa disprove mo na agad.

Prove mo na lang, science nga kasi yan eh. Yung creationism naman eh kung hindi ka naniniwala sa Dyos end of it na agad.

[CoDer]

Yan ang pinaniniwalaan ko. Yes, that (kasi sabi mo this or that. Pilosopohan nalang tayo). Malinaw ba sayo? Malinaw naman saking naniniwala ka sa diyos, alang masama dun. Ngayon, kung naniniwala ako dun sa sinabi ko kanina, wala kang magagawa dun. Kung hindi mo maintindihan yun at nahihilo ka parin, pwes mag Paracetamol ka na. Malinaw naman yung sinabi ko. Sigurado ako maraming makakabasa nung post na yun na makakaintindi nun. Kung di mo maintindihan, problema mo na yun.

hehehe... ano ka ba, kung pareho tayong naniniwala na Dyos ang may gawa. Eh bat mo pa ako tinitira...

Nag kaka migrane na ako syo. :evillaugh

[theveed]

Definition of theory in case you don't know...

the·o·ry (thē'ə-rē, thîr'ē)
n., pl. -ries.
- A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
- The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
- A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.
- Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
- A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
- An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

In science, an explanation or model that covers a substantial group of occurrences in nature and has been confirmed by a substantial number of experiments and observations. A theory is more general and better verified than a hypothesis.

You're addressing Evolution as law... Hence your resentment.

[Alpha_One]

hehehe... ano ka ba, kung pareho tayong naniniwala na Dyos ang may gawa. Eh bat mo pa ako tinitira...

Nag kaka migrane na ako syo. :evillaugh

Baka hindi kaya ng Paracetamol. Eto may Ibuprofen ako. Kung masakit parin may Alaxan rin dito.

Pare, hindi naman ikaw ang tinitira ko eh. Ang tinitira ko yung mga sinasabi mo. Tandaan mo, itong thread na to "Creationism vs. Evolution" hindi "God or no God". May pagkakaiba. Malinaw na ba?

[Alpha_One]

You're addressing Evolution as law... Hence your resentment.

Thanks David.

In a nutshell ito ang sinasabi namin sayo, CoDer.

[BlueBimmer]

All right, understood.

This is an open forum (to an extent), I can choose which argument I can reply to. I don't have to be a mod to participate in the argument, mind you (which is what I'm doing). I'm sure I'm not breaking any rules, and neither are you.

yes this is an open forum BUT it would be preferrable if you understand and ask for clarification of a poster's reply first before outright declaring his post to be FALLACIOUS, IRRELEVANT or a DIVERSION OF THE TOPIC, in his face. I obviously took offense in your blatant reply to my post which wasnt even meant for you.

[yebo]

you ask for proof of the theory of evolution? take this one. human genes are 98% the same as chimpanzee genes. how's that for proof?

di naman kasi po pwede na black and white ang explanation bakit tayo andito. when the book of genesis was written they did not even have a telescope to look at the universe. the guy/guys who wrote that "book" were trying to explain the origin of the universe according to what they knew then, which was 3000-4000 years ago! do you mean to say that you will take the writings of some person 3000-4000 years ago as an absolute to explain why you are here now. remember this: GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BOOK OF GENESIS, HUMANS DID. not believing in hwta genesis says does not necessarily mean that you do not believe in God. genesis is not the tell-all of this universe. even the catholic church has acknowledge that genesis was wrong as far as creation is concerned, so why are you arguing?

so stop fighting already. ask nyo na lang si God when you meet Him in person.

[CoDer]

Baka hindi kaya ng Paracetamol. Eto may Ibuprofen ako. Kung masakit parin may Alaxan rin dito.

Pare, hindi naman ikaw ang tinitira ko eh. Ang tinitira ko yung mga sinasabi mo. Tandaan mo, itong thread na to "Creationism vs. Evolution" hindi "God or no God". May pagkakaiba. Malinaw na ba?

Salamat ha.

Creationism - gawa ng superior being.

Evolution - Sya lang mag isa.

Ayos ba. Wag mo na ngang paikutin pa.

[Alpha_One]

yes this is an open forum BUT it would be preferrable if you understand and ask for clarification of a poster's reply first before outright declaring his post to be FALLACIOUS, IRRELEVANT or a DIVERSION OF THE TOPIC, in his face. I obviously took offense in your blatant reply to my post which wasnt even meant for you.

If you were offended by my post, please accept my apologies. It appears to me I had been in violation of a few rules of netiquette.

[Alpha_One]

Salamat ha.

Creationism - gawa ng superior being.

Evolution - Sya lang mag isa.

Ayos ba. Wag mo na ngang paikutin pa.

Kung yan ang paniniwala mo, so be it.