Are we Pinoys in Pinas too arrogant to see we could be the problem?

[Karding]

If staying here, trying to survive here, trying to make it here despite the hardship makes me more pinoy than one who has abandoned this country.... then yes, im browner.

let me define hardship based on my family's standards and first hand experience after the marcos regime.[ no we are not cronies. If we were, we would have moved to Hawaii after the regime.]

my definition:
seven in a family trying to make one ligo sardines fit for the entire family. sometimes, we would only eat one meal a day. If we are lucky, we can make lugaw from the half kilo rice we can barely afford. [this is not even hardship, this is POVERTY]

do we have the same definition of hardship uls? Or was it hardship as "it is tough to drive through the traffic in manila using my private vehicle" hardship?

ahh, only if my nanay could afford to live and survive despite the hardship and yet, stay as brown as you are. I'm so proud of you uls. ;)

[uls]

Ok everyone, go out and adopt a Cambodian baby.

and... I'll help poor college girls who are in need of allowance... and load.

[FrankDrebin]

4 pages of problem pointing. Any suggestion/solutions?

[kevinp]

4 pages of problem pointing. Any suggestion/solutions?

The thing is, discussing the Philippines' problems is like opening a can of worms. One problem is interconnected to every other one. Culture, leadership, the economy, religion, etc.

One thing we've established here, though, is that people seem to have acknowledged that there is a problem (one must be insane not to see this) and that we each have ideas on how to improve things. Now, we all know that the individual's voice is almost worthless when it comes to instilling change, but, as some others have pointed out, the potential impact we can make is huge if we act collectively.

The only thing I can think of at the moment for the tsikoteers here to perhaps form an org (Tsikot.com party list? Hehehe) that will take our gripes and suggestions to those in power.

I believe this can be done. Maybe not even on a national level (yet), but starting with the local lang. Since mga car fanatics tayo lahat dito, maybe we can get the MMDA Traffic Department to listen to us. IMHO, that could be a good start. Perhaps not the best start, but potentially a good one nonetheless.

[midinite]

The only thing I can think of at the moment for the tsikoteers here to perhaps form an org (Tsikot.com party list? Hehehe) that will take our gripes and suggestions to those in power.

I believe this can be done. Maybe not even on a national level (yet), but starting with the local lang. Since mga car fanatics tayo lahat dito, maybe we can get the MMDA Traffic Department to listen to us. IMHO, that could be a good start. Perhaps not the best start, but potentially a good one nonetheless.

That is a good point. Strength comes when we have a collective voice. Also, another tsikoteer once told me (hotrox to be exact) that minority groups are granted a party...pero teka muna what about the Middle Class? aren't we entitled to a voice as well?

[cardo]

well, we need to identify the true root cause of the problem inorder to formulate solution for it, then develop a baseline and indicator to track the solution if it is working hehehe.

[imprezawrxsti]

' guess time to do the walking and stop the squawking....

[theveed]

uuuyyy hehe

[GasJunkie]

uuuyyy hehe

I see someone wants some loving too.....pdapdapdapdapdapdapdapdapdapdapdapdapdapda pdapdapdapdapdapdapdapdapda


tired....

[theveed]

Palitan ang current gov't to Tsikot government!!!

heheh

[GasJunkie]

That answer sure took you long enough to scrounge up but sadly still not good enough to give me a boner.

Don't you ever ever question as to where my loyalty lies. Semantics can only give you a semblance of intelligence problem is I can see through you.

[rlp1099]

lively discussion goin' on

what everyone writes is open to interpertation

congratulatory, whole lot of hot air, leading to the promised land and
brown coments aside, we do get bogged down on how best to make a difference

but if you told me i'd be able to help create jobs a few months ago, I'd be the first to tell you to been smoking too much of your own stash

but like i wrote earlier it worked and maybe for that one time, I was part of the solution- as I'm sure most of you have been too

so maybe let's all stop bitching and moaning

[empy]

Tayo mga nandito sa Pinas, nandito pa sa Pinas.

We are working here, living here, running a business here, paying our taxes here, spending our money here....

We are right in the middle of the red hot action... in the midst of the multitude of problems.

Yes we talk about things. we criticize. we even bash. But we are here.

We aren't overseas based pinoys. we aren't on the outside looking in. We aren't getting this from TFC.

We criticize and bash ourselves. We are like niggers calling other blacks niggers.

Coz we are here.

i expected to get this reaction, but i find it ironic that i got it from you. aren't you the person who said in another thread that "i would only be impressed if rich people gave EVERYTHING they had to the poor", but when asked what you were doing to help others, made no reply? i promised not to single anyone out, pero pag may batong nahulog sa langit, nadidinig mo kung sino ang uma-aray

however, you are right. i'm not there. i have no voice in the running of the country. if being born and raised in the US fits your definition of "abandoning" the country, then i'm guilty as charged.

but I DO CARE. and that's why i made that post. i knew i would piss some people off and make some people defensive, but i figured that if i could get people to start thinking about making a difference, then it's worth it.

here are some of the reactions that warm my heart and make me think some people are out there trying and not getting sucked down by negativity:

Anyway, the reason I set this thread was to help us shed light on the subject. Needless to say, hopefully a group of us on our end are doing our part. We left the country in the mid 90s to learn all we can from the outside. Mine was due to a global assignment that had me in charge of several markets across regions. Before we left we said we would come back and do something in our respective fields. So I convinced some foreign investors (who are now my partners) to set-up something in the Philippines. Our goal was to work in our industry and train the new grads (older generation is resistant to change and constantly attacks the efforts through newspaper articles and such to probably justify their existence) as they can still be trained. It has been a difficult task as this is our first and a half year of operations. We also have some expats who have given up cushy directorships in our NYC office and even offers in other developed countries to help. Taking paycuts and all for the bigger objective. We are actively also working with NGOs by doing pro-bono work. These are Europeans and Americans who believe we can make a difference albeit small here and hope it trickles out. Luckily, while we are struggling, we are surviving and slowly getting work we outsource to other countries that are Philippine-made. In fact, one of our European partners just opened an office in China and hopes to have work from the Philippines go there. Kind of like the reverse since we now get a lot of China made goods...

I hope you don't see this as hot air but as someone trying to swim uphill in hopes it can make a small dent...but one that will encourage more to take on the struggle in their field. We realise to create a tipping point it may be necessary for like-minded individuals to help in the snowball effect...

One thing we've established here, though, is that people seem to have acknowledged that there is a problem (one must be insane not to see this) and that we each have ideas on how to improve things. Now, we all know that the individual's voice is almost worthless when it comes to instilling change, but, as some others have pointed out, the potential impact we can make is huge if we act collectively.

The only thing I can think of at the moment for the tsikoteers here to perhaps form an org (Tsikot.com party list? Hehehe) that will take our gripes and suggestions to those in power.

I believe this can be done. Maybe not even on a national level (yet), but starting with the local lang. Since mga car fanatics tayo lahat dito, maybe we can get the MMDA Traffic Department to listen to us. IMHO, that could be a good start. Perhaps not the best start, but potentially a good one nonetheless.

but if you told me i'd be able to help create jobs a few months ago, I'd be the first to tell you to been smoking too much of your own stash

but like i wrote earlier it worked and maybe for that one time, I was part of the solution- as I'm sure most of you have been too

sorry for the long post.