anyway,,,
the latest is Republicans came out with a proposal that will raise the debt ceiling for 6 weeks
it's unlikely to pass
Democrats arent gonna vote for it coz it doesnt end the govt shutdown
No I won't shut it down kaya gusto ko compromise but if the other side will just say "its my way or the highway". That's another thing.
On the defunding, I can't remember what show was it pero republicans want a waiver for people that don't need Obamacare. They have let go on the defunding and started talks on waivers as a compromise.
Democrats did gave waiver to big companies but would not extend the courtesy to citizens. Why?
again, it is not the Democrats who shut down the US govt...shut down by Democrats without talking about it.
it's the Republicans
Republicans won't come up with a clean budget bill
all they had to do was pass a clean budget bill and the US govt continues operating
that's all they had to do
but noooo..... Republicans used the budget talk to defund, delay, repeal Obamacare
hindi dapat ni-ne-negoitiate ang Obamacare during the budget talk
hindi dapat
paikot ikot lang tayo
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desperado mga Republican
the only way they could corner the Democrats on Obamacare is to use the budget talk
now they're using the debt ceiling to corner Democrats
Last edited by uls; October 12th, 2013 at 11:21 AM.
Hindi shut down ng government, shut down nila yung compromise with the waiver. I'm still trying to find the video...
Edit: alam ko na hindi kaya abolish yung law or compromise because it's the law of the land. Para matapos na, surrender na nga ako sa compromise but republicans have to do something to lessen the burden of the law.
Obama amended 17 times AFTER it was approved. Which is not allowed and they call republicans irresponsible when they wanted to amend the 1.
Obama gave waivers to big corporations, but can't extend that to its citizens.
Obama does not and will not talk to republicans.
Last edited by [archie]; October 12th, 2013 at 02:58 PM.
you used the terrn "shut down" in a thread about US govt shutdown but you're not referring to govt shutdown
nakakalito dude
pwede naman po gumamit ng ibang term
Obama won't talk with them if they don't pass a budgetObama does not and will not talk to republicans.
pass a budget first
reopen the govt
then they'll talk
Ang kulit eh. Di maintindihan ang ibig sabihin ng "proper venue."
Let's go over the electronic billboard again. Ganito compromise ng Republicans:
1. Remove billboard or we don't sign the budget. (remember: the Billboard fund does NOT come from the marketing budget)
2. Don't use the billboard or we don't sign the budget.
Compromise? Sige.
3. Don't make the employees work on the billboard, or we don't sign the budget.
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Gets? None of the crap funded by the Federal budget has anything to do with Obamacare. The Republican Tea Party is okay with shutting down the government and risking a global financial crisis because they think the public is stupid enough to blame the President.
All they're doing, really, is ensuring there will not be a Republican in the White House next election, and that they will never, ever have the majority in Congress or the Senate again.
Ang pagbalik ng comeback...
which is why.....
NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP - First Read
The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.
By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.
Just 24 percent of respondents have a favorable opinion about the GOP, and only 21 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, which are both at all-time lows in the history of poll.
amazing how stupid they are
nearing govt shutdown they didnt (or couldnt) imagine the damage it would cause them if they let it happen
they actually had to find out by letting it happen
incredible lack of imagination
11 days into the shutdown they probably think it's not so bad
i'm sure they also think US default won't be as bad as economists says it's going to be
they'll probably let it happen to find out what it will really be like
Hindi ba si Obama yung nagsabi.... I would talk to Syria and Iran but not the republicans. Isn't that irresponsible? Your are the leader of your nation and ayaw mo makipagusap until makuha mo yung gusto mo.
I get your point seem that don't get mine... To end the war, compromise na nga yung republicans with waivers. Iba tayo sa opinion... Yung nag shutdown na yung government, republicans try to talk to democrats to fund this and fund that but the Democrats outright rejected everything.
Pero sa totoo lang I wish they should have just let it pass and see it crumble to the ground. Let the Democrats accept all the blame. Republicans just want to minimize the damage it will bring.
The Republicans don't want to fund anything.
As uls said... Republicans hate spending on welfare. They hate spending on education. They hate spending on social services. Republicans don't give a muck about the common people. They think the people are on their side on Obamacare because people will have to pay for it themselves.
All Republicans care about funding is subsidies to their pet industries and industrial partners. Period. That's the way it has always been.
Not that the Democrats don't have their own pets, mind you. And some lobbyists have both parties in their pockets.
The Tea Party is the heart and soul of the shutdown. Obamacare is just a rallying cry for them to try to get the public on their side.
Both recent times the government has shut down, it was always a Republican house trying to bully a Democratic president. I recall there was an infographic before showing the Red:Blue ratio of Congress over the years. Some of the most troubling times in terms of strife between the executive and the legislative branch have been with a Democratic President and a Republican majority.
This is because Republicans like to fight.
It's not as if Republicans are innocent of largesses. The housing bubble that led to the subprime collapse was caused by both Bush and Clinton... both enacted socialist programs that made it easier for poor people to own homes and get loans.
Even the unpopular automotive bailouts that the Republicans like to blame on Obama... THAT was proposed by Bush. And also supported by the Republican candidate at the time.
However much they like to make noise and pretend they oppose needless spending, the Republicans are all for it if the "right" people benefit.
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The Democrats, on the other hand, are going to spend the government into the ground. Expanding welfare only works if you have a growing economy. The US either has to shrink or save. Neither party can do that, really. The Dems will spend on the poor. The Republicans will spend on the rich, who will then invest their money in China and Mexico.![]()
Last edited by niky; October 12th, 2013 at 09:22 PM.
Ang pagbalik ng comeback...
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Pinaka-maganda maginvest na sa china.
Hindi pa totally maka-angat dahil may natitira pa maka-mao zedong sa prc. Pag namatay na mga yan magugulat kayo sa china baka masingapore.
Yeah that's why too much of republican or too much for Democrat will not be good for their economy.
But before the recent times, democrats also caused a shutdown with a republican president.
The bush administration is the greatest mistake of republicans in my opinion. Markets crash, housing bubble, etc.
Neither is clean for their actions. Democrats want to spend on the common people even if it would hurt the big companies and increase tax for the wealthy. Republicans on the other hand want minimal tax and help big companies to trickle down to more jobs and better economy (or so they say).
Hmm ill take china than Mexico.![]()