US government shutdown - your thoughts?

[uls]

Yes I hate it but to restore peace with the partner I won't compromise on the matter even if I hate the idea. If he/she wants to to change the billboard altogether, I would compromise to keep the sa appearance but electronic. Maybe test it first or do a dry run and see what makes it good and what makes it bad.

btw you didnt answer kung tama ba yung i-shutdown mo ang resto dahil ayaw mo lang ang pag gamit ng electronic billboard

[uls]

anyway,,,

the latest is Republicans came out with a proposal that will raise the debt ceiling for 6 weeks

it's unlikely to pass

Democrats arent gonna vote for it coz it doesnt end the govt shutdown

[falken]

anyway,,,

the latest is Republicans came out with a proposal that will raise the debt ceiling for 6 weeks

it's unlikely to pass

Democrats arent gonna vote for it coz it doesnt end the govt shutdown

Band aid solution.

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btw you didnt answer kung tama ba yung i-shutdown mo ang resto dahil ayaw mo lang ang pag gamit ng electronic billboard

No I won't shut it down kaya gusto ko compromise but if the other side will just say "its my way or the highway". That's another thing.

On the defunding, I can't remember what show was it pero republicans want a waiver for people that don't need Obamacare. They have let go on the defunding and started talks on waivers as a compromise.

Democrats did gave waiver to big companies but would not extend the courtesy to citizens. Why?

[uls]

No I won't shut it down kaya gusto ko compromise but if the other side will just say "its my way or the highway". That's another thing.

On the defunding, I can't remember what show was it pero republicans want a waiver for people that don't need Obamacare. They have let go on the defunding and started talks on waivers as a compromise.

Democrats did gave waiver to big companies but would not extend the courtesy to citizens. Why?

during the budget talk there was no Obamacare waiver thing being discussed

there's defunding Obamacare attached to the budget which was rejected

then there's postponing Obamacare for 1 year attached to the budget which was also rejected

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during the budget talk there was no Obamacare waiver thing being discussed

there's defunding Obamacare attached to the budget which was rejected

then there's postponing Obamacare for 1 year attached to the budget which was also rejected

I'll try to find the video on it... There was a waiver proposed by republicans then shut down by Democrats without talking about it.

[uls]

...shut down by Democrats without talking about it.

again, it is not the Democrats who shut down the US govt

it's the Republicans

Republicans won't come up with a clean budget bill

all they had to do was pass a clean budget bill and the US govt continues operating

that's all they had to do

but noooo..... Republicans used the budget talk to defund, delay, repeal Obamacare

hindi dapat ni-ne-negoitiate ang Obamacare during the budget talk

hindi dapat

paikot ikot lang tayo

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desperado mga Republican

the only way they could corner the Democrats on Obamacare is to use the budget talk

now they're using the debt ceiling to corner Democrats

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again, it is not the Democrats who shut down the US govt

it's the Republicans

Republicans won't come up with a clean budget bill

all they had to do was pass a clean budget bill and the US govt continues operating

that's all they had to do

but noooo..... Republicans used the budget talk to defund, delay, repeal Obamacare

hindi dapat ni-ne-negoitiate ang Obamacare during the budget talk

hindi dapat

paikot ikot lang tayo

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desperado mga Republican

the only way they could corner the Democrats on Obamacare is to use the budget talk

now they're using the debt ceiling to corner Democrats

Hindi shut down ng government, shut down nila yung compromise with the waiver. I'm still trying to find the video...

Edit: alam ko na hindi kaya abolish yung law or compromise because it's the law of the land. Para matapos na, surrender na nga ako sa compromise but republicans have to do something to lessen the burden of the law.

Obama amended 17 times AFTER it was approved. Which is not allowed and they call republicans irresponsible when they wanted to amend the 1.

Obama gave waivers to big corporations, but can't extend that to its citizens.

Obama does not and will not talk to republicans.

[uls]

Hindi shut down ng government, shut down nila yung compromise with the waiver. I'm still trying to find the video...

you used the terrn "shut down" in a thread about US govt shutdown but you're not referring to govt shutdown

nakakalito dude

pwede naman po gumamit ng ibang term

Obama does not and will not talk to republicans.

Obama won't talk with them if they don't pass a budget

pass a budget first

reopen the govt

then they'll talk

[niky]

Ang kulit eh. Di maintindihan ang ibig sabihin ng "proper venue."

Let's go over the electronic billboard again. Ganito compromise ng Republicans:

1. Remove billboard or we don't sign the budget. (remember: the Billboard fund does NOT come from the marketing budget)

2. Don't use the billboard or we don't sign the budget.

Compromise? Sige.

3. Don't make the employees work on the billboard, or we don't sign the budget.

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Gets? None of the crap funded by the Federal budget has anything to do with Obamacare. The Republican Tea Party is okay with shutting down the government and risking a global financial crisis because they think the public is stupid enough to blame the President.

All they're doing, really, is ensuring there will not be a Republican in the White House next election, and that they will never, ever have the majority in Congress or the Senate again.

[uls]

which is why.....

NBC/WSJ poll: Shutdown debate damages GOP - First Read

The Republican Party has been badly damaged in the ongoing government shutdown and debt limit standoff, with a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finding that a majority of Americans blame the GOP for the shutdown, and with the party’s popularity declining to its lowest level.

By a 22-point margin (53 percent to 31 percent), the public blames the Republican Party more for the shutdown than President Barack Obama – a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96.

Just 24 percent of respondents have a favorable opinion about the GOP, and only 21 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, which are both at all-time lows in the history of poll.

[uls]

amazing how stupid they are

nearing govt shutdown they didnt (or couldnt) imagine the damage it would cause them if they let it happen

they actually had to find out by letting it happen

incredible lack of imagination

11 days into the shutdown they probably think it's not so bad

i'm sure they also think US default won't be as bad as economists says it's going to be

they'll probably let it happen to find out what it will really be like

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Ang kulit eh. Di maintindihan ang ibig sabihin ng "proper venue."

Let's go over the electronic billboard again. Ganito compromise ng Republicans:

1. Remove billboard or we don't sign the budget. (remember: the Billboard fund does NOT come from the marketing budget)

2. Don't use the billboard or we don't sign the budget.

Compromise? Sige.

3. Don't make the employees work on the billboard, or we don't sign the budget.

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Gets? None of the crap funded by the Federal budget has anything to do with Obamacare. The Republican Tea Party is okay with shutting down the government and risking a global financial crisis because they think the public is stupid enough to blame the President.

All they're doing, really, is ensuring there will not be a Republican in the White House next election, and that they will never, ever have the majority in Congress or the Senate again.

Hindi ba si Obama yung nagsabi.... I would talk to Syria and Iran but not the republicans. Isn't that irresponsible? Your are the leader of your nation and ayaw mo makipagusap until makuha mo yung gusto mo.

I get your point seem that don't get mine... To end the war, compromise na nga yung republicans with waivers. Iba tayo sa opinion... Yung nag shutdown na yung government, republicans try to talk to democrats to fund this and fund that but the Democrats outright rejected everything.

Pero sa totoo lang I wish they should have just let it pass and see it crumble to the ground. Let the Democrats accept all the blame. Republicans just want to minimize the damage it will bring.

[uls]

I get your point seem that don't get mine... To end the war, compromise na nga yung republicans with waivers. Iba tayo sa opinion... Yung nag shutdown na yung government, republicans try to talk to democrats to fund this and fund that but the Democrats outright rejected everything.

Obama wants the Republicans to reopen the govt

Republicans want to talk but won't reopen the govt

[niky]

Yung nag shutdown na yung government, republicans try to talk to democrats to fund this and fund that but the Democrats outright rejected everything.

The Republicans don't want to fund anything.

As uls said... Republicans hate spending on welfare. They hate spending on education. They hate spending on social services. Republicans don't give a muck about the common people. They think the people are on their side on Obamacare because people will have to pay for it themselves.

All Republicans care about funding is subsidies to their pet industries and industrial partners. Period. That's the way it has always been.

Not that the Democrats don't have their own pets, mind you. And some lobbyists have both parties in their pockets.

But Obamacare is the heart and soul of the shutdown...

The Tea Party is the heart and soul of the shutdown. Obamacare is just a rallying cry for them to try to get the public on their side.

And same way with a republican president. Democrats will always block opposing party.

Both recent times the government has shut down, it was always a Republican house trying to bully a Democratic president. I recall there was an infographic before showing the Red:Blue ratio of Congress over the years. Some of the most troubling times in terms of strife between the executive and the legislative branch have been with a Democratic President and a Republican majority.

This is because Republicans like to fight.

It's not as if Republicans are innocent of largesses. The housing bubble that led to the subprime collapse was caused by both Bush and Clinton... both enacted socialist programs that made it easier for poor people to own homes and get loans.

Even the unpopular automotive bailouts that the Republicans like to blame on Obama... THAT was proposed by Bush. And also supported by the Republican candidate at the time.

However much they like to make noise and pretend they oppose needless spending, the Republicans are all for it if the "right" people benefit.

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The Democrats, on the other hand, are going to spend the government into the ground. Expanding welfare only works if you have a growing economy. The US either has to shrink or save. Neither party can do that, really. The Dems will spend on the poor. The Republicans will spend on the rich, who will then invest their money in China and Mexico.

[chookchakchenes]

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Pinaka-maganda maginvest na sa china.

Hindi pa totally maka-angat dahil may natitira pa maka-mao zedong sa prc. Pag namatay na mga yan magugulat kayo sa china baka masingapore.

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The Republicans don't want to fund anything.

As uls said... Republicans hate spending on welfare. They hate spending on education. They hate spending on social services. Republicans don't give a muck about the common people. They think the people are on their side on Obamacare because people will have to pay for it themselves.

All Republicans care about funding is subsidies to their pet industries and industrial partners. Period. That's the way it has always been.

Not that the Democrats don't have their own pets, mind you. And some lobbyists have both parties in their pockets.



The Tea Party is the heart and soul of the shutdown. Obamacare is just a rallying cry for them to try to get the public on their side.



Both recent times the government has shut down, it was always a Republican house trying to bully a Democratic president. I recall there was an infographic before showing the Red:Blue ratio of Congress over the years. Some of the most troubling times in terms of strife between the executive and the legislative branch have been with a Democratic President and a Republican majority.

This is because Republicans like to fight.

It's not as if Republicans are innocent of largesses. The housing bubble that led to the subprime collapse was caused by both Bush and Clinton... both enacted socialist programs that made it easier for poor people to own homes and get loans.

Even the unpopular automotive bailouts that the Republicans like to blame on Obama... THAT was proposed by Bush. And also supported by the Republican candidate at the time.

However much they like to make noise and pretend they oppose needless spending, the Republicans are all for it if the "right" people benefit.

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The Democrats, on the other hand, are going to spend the government into the ground. Expanding welfare only works if you have a growing economy. The US either has to shrink or save. Neither party can do that, really. The Dems will spend on the poor. The Republicans will spend on the rich, who will then invest their money in China and Mexico.

Yeah that's why too much of republican or too much for Democrat will not be good for their economy.

But before the recent times, democrats also caused a shutdown with a republican president.

The bush administration is the greatest mistake of republicans in my opinion. Markets crash, housing bubble, etc.

Neither is clean for their actions. Democrats want to spend on the common people even if it would hurt the big companies and increase tax for the wealthy. Republicans on the other hand want minimal tax and help big companies to trickle down to more jobs and better economy (or so they say).

Hmm ill take china than Mexico.