Spain wants rapist to be spared

[van_wilder]

I don't get this statement. So your saying that if nobody's looking you steal? Or if your teacher isn't looking you cheat? And if you don't get caught you continue to rape young women? This is the exact mentality of criminals thats why we have to put them away.
Thats why we have laws so that we can set guidelines for citizens to follow, and if they cross the line, the pay the price.

hindi applicable yun statement ko sa lahat except sa kulungan... alam nilang criminals yun kaya dapat extra security... different sa labas ng kulungan...

baka naman mag-away away na tayo dito ah... lets stop this... baka matulad tayo sa khaos thread! hehehehe

[OTO]

hahahahaha... how did you know? obvious ba?

Even if the pregnancy is the result of rape the Roman Catholic Church is still against abortions.

[falken]

falken, your example is misleading... isolated case... nangyayari ba yan everyday? we should also take into consider na marami rin naparusahan or pinatay pero innocent... so paano yun? maibabalik pa ba natin yun? how about yun historicity nun mga tao na yun?

Alfred Dreyfuss was convicted of espionage and treason in 1890s... the one who convicted him talaga ang may sala... because of this, anti-semitism got worse... hitler did not cause the second world war... siya lang yun naging manifestation nun peak ng anti-semitism... any leader same ang gagawin...

yes, we should put them out sa society, pero hindi lang death ang means to do it... kaya nangyari yun sa Australia dahil sa kapapabayaan na rin nila. They should be more careful... Yan ang hirap sa mga tao, if involved ang criminal may prejudice na blame the criminal pero hindi nakita ang sariling kamalian... kung lenient ang security kasalanan pa rin ba yun ng criminal? eh di sana hindi nila nilipat sa medium... dapat ginawa nila isolated confinement sa isang room...

It's not just an isolated case, I'm not trying to mislead, I've read or heard news of child predators and pedophiles who've been jailed, then deemed reformed, set free to return to society only to return to their evil ways and rape again. My point is, some criminals are really hopeless, So, if there's a law that will get rid of them and prevent them from harming others in the future, implement it. Just to lessen the threat to society, so that others do not have to experience the pain and trauma of rape or losing a loved one senselessly. Yes, there are lots of them who can still be reformed, but the hopeless ones?
Regarding this Larranaga case, the SC has already reviewed and upheld the decision, now suddenly, he's claiming to be a citizen of Spain when everybody knows who his family is, they're clearly using their money and political clout to get him off the hook. Teach him a lesson, let him know that no matter how rich or powerful his family is, no one is above the law. "The law applies to all, if not, then to none at all." Since there is a Death Penalty, it should also apply to him.

[ts1n1ta]

ahhh re that OTO i don't know either. haaayy


*van_wilder: hehehe...sumkindasorta.

[falken]

baka naman mag-away away na tayo dito ah... lets stop this... baka matulad tayo sa khaos thread! hehehehe

Nope, hindi naman siguro tayo mag aaway dito. It's just us sharing our opinions. On my part, I don't take it personally, just healthy exchanges. Nahahasa rin ang English ko.

[van_wilder]

Even if the pregnancy is the result of rape the Roman Catholic Church is still against abortions.

huh? ang layo dun sa post ko ah... we are talking about jesuits hehehehe...

[van_wilder]

It's not just an isolated case, I'm not trying to mislead, I've read or heard news of child predators and pedophiles who've been jailed, then deemed reformed, set free to return to society only to return to their evil ways and rape again. My point is, some criminals are really hopeless, So, if there's a law that will get rid of them and prevent them from harming others in the future, implement it. Just to lessen the threat to society, so that others do not have to experience the pain and trauma of rape or losing a loved one senselessly. Yes, there are lots of them who can still be reformed, but the hopeless ones?
Regarding this Larranaga case, the SC has already reviewed and upheld the decision, now suddenly, he's claiming to be a citizen of Spain when everybody knows who his family is, they're clearly using their money and political clout to get him off the hook. Teach him a lesson, let him know that no matter how rich or powerful his family is, no one is above the law. "The law applies to all, if not, then to none at all." Since there is a Death Penalty, it should also apply to him.

pedophilia should be considered na sakit sa utak i think... dapat hindi na papalayain yun... i am against death penalty... but i never said im against life sentence... i do believe na dapat nga halos lahat ng cases ganito ang hatol eh... para talagang may reform...

[OTO]

huh? ang layo dun sa post ko ah... we are talking about jesuits hehehehe...

Thought you were reffering to the Church's stand on abortion. Just making a connection between rape and abortion.

[van_wilder]

Nope, hindi naman siguro tayo mag aaway dito. It's just us sharing our opinions. On my part, I don't take it personally, just healthy exchanges. Nahahasa rin ang English ko.

same here.

[OTO]

In light of the Pope's death I think Paco should be spared the death penalty. We shouldnt be the only Asian Christian country by name alone and should live it up.

Most Muslims I know live up to what their religion expects of them. We the followers of Christ should try to be like Christ.

[van_wilder]

amen to that.

[ILuvDetailing]

This is a good exchange of ideas, nothing personal.

[BlueBimmer]

well if God forbid any of ur loved ones, wife, gf, sister gets raped n murdered, bilib ako sa inyo kng calm pa kau at maforgive nyo harap harapan ung gumawa nun while looking at ur dead loved one. only there will we be certain how strong u stand on ur opinion

[mazdamazda]

Don't we also ask other nations (particularly the Middle East) to spare Filipinos from the death penalty after they've committed a crime?

[ILuvDetailing]

Maybe it depends on what crime they commited.

[mazdamazda]

case in point:

DFA saves Pinoy from death in Saudi Arabia

By Jonathan Vicente, Reporter

AN overseas Filipino worker (OFW) who was on the death row in Saudi Arabia was saved from beheading after the intervention of the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA).

Reports reaching the DFA identified the freed OFW as Primo Gasmen who used to work for Al-Rajhi and Sons Co. in Riyadh since 1995.

Gasmen was sentenced to death in 1999 for killing Khim Bahadur Gurung, a Nepalese.

Gasmen maintained from the start that he stabbed the Nepalese in self-defense. But beheading meted out to him.

According to his sworn statement, Gasmen had owed Gurung 1,500 in Saudi riyals. On December 24, 1998, Gasmen claimed that Gurung offered to write off his debt in exchange for ***ual favors.

Gasmen refused the offer, which enraged the Nepalese, who attempted to stab him.

Gasmen overpowered and killed Gurung in the struggle that ensued.

The DFA, through the Philippine Embassies in Riyadh and New Delhi and the Philippine honorary consulate office in Nepal, initiated negotiations for the settlement of the case through the payment of blood money.

The management of the newspaper People’s Tonight International initiated a fund-raising campaign and was able to collect a substantial amount of US$15,000 to pay the blood money to the Gurung family.

The Gurung family accepted the cash in exchange for the freedom of Gasmen.

The Philippine embassy in Riyadh will now extend all possible assistance to arrange for the Filipino’s repatriation.

In a report to Foreign Secretary Alberto G. Romulo, Undersecretary for Migrant Workers’ Affairs Jose S. Brillantes said that in the course of the negotiations for the settlement of the case, the DFA sent a legal team to India and Nepal to speed up the negotiations with the Gurung family in 2002.

The legal team flew to Nepal to pay the blood money to the heirs of the victim in exchange for an “affidavit of forgiveness” and an acknowledgement of the receipt of $15,000.

Last year, the legal team again went to India and Nepal this time to accompany Gurung’s mother and uncle to Saudi and appear before Saudi Judge Khonine and personally verify the authenticity of the affidavit of forgiveness from representatives of the Gurung family.

In January 2003 Judge Khonine imposed the requirement of personal appearance of any of the victim’s relatives to authenticate the affidavit.

On December 8, 2004, after a hearing at the Riyadh Grand Court, the decision to free Gasmen was handed down.

Gasmen was with Philippine Embassy representatives, when the decision was read.

“The court hereby releases you [Primo Gasmen] from the penalty of beheading, which was previously decreed by this court, and releases you from jail,” Khonine said in his final decision.

The Riyadh Grand Court assured embassy representatives that upon completion of all the clearance and documentation Gasmen may already be repatriated before the month ends.

Gasmen converted into Islam during his almost six years of incarceration.

[badkuk]

van_wilder: hitler did not cause the second world war

i know this is a bit off topic, pero....

Hitler was the one fanning the flames of anti semitism. Naghanap lang sya ng scapegoat for the depression Germany was going through(which was actually caused by WW I). In effect he used a common hate for the Jews to unite most Germans behind the Nazi party.

Nobody forced Hitler to invade Poland. Nobody forced Hitler to write Mein Kampf. If Hitler didn't cause WW II, then he was sure as hell doing a great impression of it.

[yebo]

Don't we also ask other nations (particularly the Middle East) to spare Filipinos from the death penalty after they've committed a crime?

yes but not when it is rape and/with murder. we ensure that they get a good lawyer but if they are found guilty then the philippine govt does not interfere. dami na napugutan ng ulo na pinoy sa saudi, and you don't even see that in the news. the only time the govt really interceded was when a "crime" was committed in the act of self defense. like when the domestic helper killed her male employer while trying to defend herself during an attempted rape.

hey, i worked in saudi before. when i was there (1 year, '87-'88) a total of 5 filipinos got their heads chopped off. did the philippines made a big deal of it? NO. why? because they deserved what they got. they committed murder, they dealt drugs, one even killed a police officer.

crime and punishment go together. if the punishment is death, then death it should be. you don't want the situation then lobby your congressman to change the law. and we will also lobby our congressmen to keep it.

[OTO]

Concerning what happens in the Middle East you have to understand that there legal system is in line with Islam. Diba dito ganun din? Instead of Islam our Constitution & laws are in parallel to the Holy Bible?

[empy]

i'm not sure how we got from spanish government meddling in other countries' affairs to the merits of the christian/western judicial system vs. that of islam...

anyway, anyone else wondering why, of all the thousands of criminals of spanish descent or citizenship all around the world...that the spanish government has united and is spending all this time to exonerate this particular one?

money/influence talks?

or maybe they really feel they have some exculpatory evidence? but if so, where the hell is it?