SC issues TRO vs E-VAT

[CLAVEL3699]

kami galing kami sa hirap pero nagsumikap kami. noon ang ang hindi edukado or nakapag aral may pagkakataon makapagtrabaho at magsikap.

Ngayon kahit college graduate kana makakakuha ka paba nang trabaho na pwede ka tumagal. Paano na yung mga hindi nakapag-aral kahit high school man lang dahil sa sobrang kahirapan.

Robin Hood ideal is not good kasi parang tinutolerate mo ang isang kagaguhan.

Pero paano kung isang taong sobrang sikap at hindi makakuha nang trabaho.

mayroon akong isang driver dati araw araw daw naghahanap sya nang trabaho wala sya pamasahe ang ginagawa nya nilalakad nya yung pinag aaplayan nya ang problema high school graduate lang sya at medyo di maganda ang itsura at bulol. Isang beses nga lang daw kumakain ang pamilya nya at utang pa kasi wala nga sya makuha trabaho minsan daw naiisip na nya magnakaw kasi ang sakit daw sa isang ama nakikita ang anak nya sumasakit na tyan dahil sa gutom kung sya daw ok lang paano na yung isang anak nya. Isa nga lang daw anak nya kasi sa hirap daw nang buhay.

Kinuha ko sya driver, minimum wage earner sya. Di pa din daw magkasya sa kanilang tatlo. Ilaw, tubig, bayad sa bahay at pagkain pa araw araw.

Yes I sympathize with them kasi alam ko. Ikaw alam mo paano maghirap at hindi kumain nang buong araw... Ako naranasan ko. Wag mo idamay ang pagiging pilipino dito kahit koreano at chinese pa sya ganun din sa kanila may naghihirap.

They are not whining they are just being realistic sa kahirapan nila. U cannot whine if di ka apektado. Sori to tell wag tayo manghamak nang tao kung hindi natin naransan at di natin nakikita.

Again uulitin ko I sympathize with them sa mga taong mahihirap na nagsisikap pero kung mahirap kana at tamad kapa tatadyakan pa kita palayo sa harapan ko.

Im just being realistic ang taong mahirap lalong naghihirap and taong mayaman malamang maghirap!!!

[oldblue]

now I'm beginning to feel guilty bec. I said something anti-poor.
pre, dont get me wrong. change can happen but it doesnt happen overnight.


I too share your sentiments, we also happen to have a labandero who's also deaf. he's new, mga a month palang. tapos na-notice ko, iisa lang parati shirt
nya pag nagpupunta weekly sa'min. tinanong ko maid namin kumbakit iisa yun parati shirt nya. sabi nya dadalawa lang talaga damit niya yun panlaba at isang shirt + maong na panlakad.

nde ko alam kung pano sila nagkaintindihan noon maid namin at kung pano nya nalaman yun details na yun. kahit ako nde marunong ng sign language hehehe. But when we gave him 3 extra shirts, he went home with an ear to ear smile. Although I couldnt talk to him, I felt so much compassion to him. imagine deaf, pinaglalaba mo pa, and I also found out na nag-iisa lang sya sa buhay. Pag-uwi nya pinapadalhan pa namin sya ng dinner & other extra food sa haus.

But sometimes this pipi has an attitude problem. sometimes nagdadabog sya,
minsan naririnig namin from the inside of the house. pag lumabas kami, naka-smile naman sya. minsan nde sumisipot for 3 weeks. with this attitude, kung naiba lang ako, ma-misinterpret ko yun.

My point is I can be compared to the govt. I'm giving him a push, a helping hand, I can only give this much as of the moment. He can be compared to those people on the streets who shouts different voices, different demands na sa sobrang dami, nde na talaga maintindihan. Dont break the relationship. give & take, both ways dapat.
respect the govt or the people with higher authority. may reason kumbakit sila napunta sa posisyon na yun.

and ignore the rumor mongerers, sisirain talaga nila ang pag-iisip mo coz they cant do anything productive than thrive on bad things happening to other people.


kasi bali-baligtarin mo pa ang lahat ng nangyayari na ito, nde naman gobyerno ang kalaban natin kundi ang kahirapan o ang risk na lalong maghirap.

[CLAVEL3699]

yes tama!!! I agree to u hundred one percent...

Ang point dito is yung dagdag VAT paano na ang minimum wage earner na bumubuhay nag isang anak at isang asawa na ang upa sa isang kwarto ay 2.5k or 2k depress area pa ito. Magbabayad nang tubig 150 at ilaw na isang libo. magkano pa ang matitira dito.

-P- 4,350.00 - Pagkain sa isang buwan pamasahe baon sa trabaho. Baon nang bata sa eskwelahan, bayad sa eskwelahan. Tingin mo ba magkakasya pa eto.

Kung magdadagdag pa nang VAT na ipapasa lang sa maralitang tagalunsod.

Dagdag sa pagkain, gasolina, pamasahe, kuryente, at kung ano ano pa.

Tapos ang sweldo nang maralitang taga lunsod ay ganun pa din. Paano na kakain nang masustansyang pagkain ang anak mo.

Ang gobyerno ang dapat tumulong sa atin na tayo'y di maghirap pero mukha ang gobyerno ang gusto mamatay tayo nang dilat ang mga mata sa gutom!!!

[Blackraven]

I think its a wonderful idea Blackraven. Why don't you start a thread and perhaps others will follow your lead. I will do so in a proper thread as what the Mods in Tsikot adheres.

I might start on one tomorrow.

Not just "might" but rather "will" start on one. Kahit ngayon wala pa ring bagong news tungkol sa E-VAT suspension even after three days. Ibig sabihin, no new developments kung matutuloy yung E-VAT with or without the unconsitutional provisions o kung permanent suspension ang papalabasin.

Instead of the debate on E-VAT which would just be dragging everyone just to reach a final decision, why don't we look at more positive things/aspects.
The words "GOOD NEWS" and "PROGRESS" for this country should keep us enlightened and not lose any hope during these dark, chaotic and struggling times.

So to cut it short, I'll start on it beginning tomorrow (Friday night).

[mikaztro]

Mga bro!!! Tama kayo there is light at the end of the tunnel. Eto problem paano kung sobra haba nang tunnel at hindi mo na kaya puntahan yung dulo kasi naubusan kana nang gasolina at sympre lalakarin mo na lang at kung paano sobra pagod kana at di mo pa din nakikita.

My point is kaya pa ba natin? kaya pa ba nang mga maralitang tiga lunsod...?

I wish matapos na lahat eto kasi ako nahihirapan na paano pa yung mga minimum wage earner lang, paano pa nila mapapagkasya yung kinikita nila.

He who has faith has an inward reservoir of courage, hope, confidence, calmness, and assuring trust that all will come out well - even though to man, it may appear to come out negatively and hopeless.

[mikaztro]

I might start on one tomorrow.

Not just "might" but rather "will" start on one. Kahit ngayon wala pa ring bagong news tungkol sa E-VAT suspension even after three days. Ibig sabihin, no new developments kung matutuloy yung E-VAT with or without the unconsitutional provisions o kung permanent suspension ang papalabasin.

Instead of the debate on E-VAT which would just be dragging everyone just to reach a final decision, why don't we look at more positive things/aspects.
The words "GOOD NEWS" and "PROGRESS" for this country should keep us enlightened and not lose any hope during these dark, chaotic and struggling times.

So to cut it short, I'll start on it beginning tomorrow (Friday night).

Hello Blackraven! There is now an existing thread "More goodnews" that was created by Mazdamazda here in Pitstop. Kindly browse it FYI.

[oldblue]

yes tama!!! I agree to u hundred one percent...

Ang point dito is yung dagdag VAT paano na ang minimum wage earner na bumubuhay nag isang anak at isang asawa na ang upa sa isang kwarto ay 2.5k or 2k depress area pa ito. Magbabayad nang tubig 150 at ilaw na isang libo. magkano pa ang matitira dito.

-P- 4,350.00 - Pagkain sa isang buwan pamasahe baon sa trabaho. Baon nang bata sa eskwelahan, bayad sa eskwelahan. Tingin mo ba magkakasya pa eto.

Kung magdadagdag pa nang VAT na ipapasa lang sa maralitang tagalunsod.

ang gobyerno ang gusto mamatay tayo nang dilat ang mga mata sa gutom!!!

kung sa VAT ang pag-uusapan. ako din I dont fully agree with the 2% increase.

double almost triple taxation na nga tayo lahat. from custom duties, municipal taxes, road users tax, value added tax & syempre income tax. lahat levied sa mamamayan.

let's say we buy an imported digicam from a store:

1. pag pasok sa customs, custom duties/tax kagad
2. pag dumaan sa cargo handlers/warehouses, EVAT 12% of service fee.
3. pag pumunta ka sa mall, EVAT for gasoline or higher fare coz of EVAT (kung commute ka)
4. pag bumili ka na, EVAT 12% of product cost.
5. pag labas mo na sweldo, yan na natira ng WTX na kinaltas kagad sayo.

(or correct me if i'm wrong with the enumeration above, tnx)

kung nabili ka naman ng bagong car, i'm sure yun 5 sa itaas, madagdagan pa.

sa totoo lang pre, I'm also confused as you are with this issue.

they say mas delikado if we dont allow the EVAT to increase.
i-downgrade tayo ng intl. entities, d tayo makakabayad sa utang
na inutang pa during the Marcos era, baka d tayo makutang ulit,
and so on so forth.

kaya nga ako magmula noon pa. I never believed that political
line that "we're doing this to save next generation or for the next ". who really cares d'ba. Those former politicians just passed it on to us. And our generation couldnt care less on the next one.

Whichever way we look, the past, the present, the future, we're doomed! so my advise, make the best of it na lang pre. I'm just
counting on us being humans, us being capable of healing, us being
capable of experiencing individual miracles & influencing others at that.

Taxes & Economics cant save us. It's math. It's minus or plus lang.
It doesnt include other human factors in the equation. Factors that
made us survive for 2000 or so years, despite the odds.

Puwede naman eh, for example the July 1990 earthquake, that situation
could be worse than what we have today. Billions were destroyed in a
span 1 to 5 mins. But still we prevailed.