Video on SM Pampanga shooting sparks PNP probe

[chua_riwap]

langya....buhay pa pala yung isa. pinanood lang ng mga tao, pulis at sikyu.
walang tulmulong o nag-sugod sa ospital, baka naisalba pa.



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MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine National Police (PNP) on Thursday said it is investigating a YouTube video on the SM Pampanga shooting, which showed policemen and mall security watching one of the victims while he was still alive.

PNP spokesman Chief Superintendent Agrimero Cruz said the investigation will look into the possible culpability of police officers and security guards who were seen in the video.

"Ire-review po nating lahat yan ginawang procedure and for them to submit a report," he said.

Two minors, aged 13 and 16, were killed during a shooting incident inside SM City in San Fernando town, Pampanga province last September 20. Police said the younger boy shot his companion due to a lovers' quarrel. The incident was the second shooting inside an SM mall in a week and sparked concerns over lapses in mall security.

In the YouTube video, both boys can be seen lying on the floor inside the mall. One of the two victims was lying face down but still moving his feet. He then rolled into a lying down position but did not get up. The video also showed a photographer taking pictures of the 2 boys while security personnel walked near the two victims.

Based on the PNP Manual on Crime Scene Operations, Cruz said the police who acted as first responder to a crime should not touch or move the involved persons but rather make an immediate call for an emergency response unit to save any injured persons. Hesaid the situation is comparable to any vehicular accident where the police officers cannot act as rescuers since they are not wellskilled and trained to do first aid operations.

"Hindi pwedeng hilahin ng pulis ang biktima. Kailangan dumating muna mga rescuer, mga emergency personnel. Baka kasi may injuryna hindi pa nakikita," he said. He added: "Ang unang dapat gawin ay humingi ng tulong sa expert, tumawag ng ambulansiya, baka any movement of the victim will aggravate the situation, kailangan hintayin may enough skill dahil baka makalala pa sa situation."

Mall guards had first aid kit

Emergency Response expert Edward Cuenca of EMT and SCAN International Emergency Response Unit reviewed the video uploaded in You Tube and saw some irregularities among the first responders seen on cam. Cuenca questioned the appropriateness of whoever was taking pictures while the victims were grimacing in pain. He also noted the seemingly lack of cordon or security by the police, making it possible for bystanders to simply walk by the crime scene.

"Yung pulis sana kinordon na agad, nilayo na agad yung mga sibilyan," he said.

Cuenca said while they may have called for help, the police should have immediately taken pictures of the bodies lying on the floorand should have evacuated immediately the injured persons for the purpose of saving his life. "Kung nakitang buhay pa, nag shoot na dapat ng picture, label, mark, and as much as possible dinala na agad," he said.

Cuenca also took notice of the mall guards who were wearing first aid kit bags around their waist but did not do anything to stop the bleeding. "Pe-pwede sanang nagamit yun, pero ang tanong, ano laman ng first aid kit na yun?" he asked. However, Cuenca said he cannot blame both the police and security guards if they did not take action, especially if in their minds,they are not trained to handle such gunshot wounds.

He said police and security guards should undergo tactical paramedic training to better equip themselves for incidents like the SM Pampanga shooting.

SM: Video confirms cops restricted access

In response to the new scandal, SM issued the following statement:

"We have viewed the amateur video taken shortly after the unfortunate and tragic September 20 incident. "We hope that the same could have been brought to the police authorities' attention sooner to aid in their investigation. "As the video itself confirms, police authorities had arrived soon after the incident, placed the scene under their jurisdiction, took over the investigation, and restricted access to the victims.

"We are one with the victims' family in their grief and have been continuously cooperating with authorities. Security measures across our malls have already been beefed up."

[Ry_Tower]

^yari mga eskyu dyan dapat. Wala man lang nag-try tumulong eh. tsk tsk

May nagpipicture pa eh. Ano ba yan!?

[Monseratto]

I think no amount of help would have saved them, since the bullet injuries were to the brain. And the movement look more like reflexes than actual movement. THey were both alive when brought to the hospital but already comatose. Ginagawang issue lang ng media parasite para ma shakedown yung SM. It's purely suicide, end of story.

[oliver1013]

Mahirap kasi tumulong ngayon ng kusa baka mapano yung biktima ikaw pa masisi..

Ang sakin lang, bago mag sisihan lets start from the top, magulang, kung pano pinalaki ang anak..

[shadow]

kung wala kang medical background paano ka tutulong? kung umaepal ka at dinala mo sa hospital at namatay on the way, kasalanan mo pa. baka nga naman involuntary muscle twitching na lang yun kaya gumagalaw.

ang proper way is tumawag ng medical personnel at hintayin huwag umepal at makialam kung hinde rin alam ang gagawin.

[Ry_Tower]

But security and police personnel are trained in basic first aid. Even Just the blocking of the wound to stop blood gushing out is enough move to show that they are somehow competent and knowledgeable. HS students nga tinurturuan na niyan eh.

May mga duwag or incompetent na sekyu/police din lang talaga sa pagkakataon na yan! tsk

[niky]

Contrary to popular belief, you can survive a bullet to the brain, especially if it's a low caliber bullet. Chances are even better if it's not a hollow point and it goes straight in instead of fragmenting every which way.

Depending on where in the brain it goes, you will have some impairment, but you could live. Stopping the bleeding would have lessened the blood loss and oxygen starvation of brain tissues and could have saved at least one of the victims. Simply bandaging the wounds could have done that.

[uls]

syempre walang gagalaw sa mga yan

pag ginalaw mo baka ikaw pa masisi pag may nangyari

[ghosthunter]

syempre walang gagalaw sa mga yan

pag ginalaw mo baka ikaw pa masisi pag may nangyari

with how the philippines work... that is so true.

[Ry_Tower]

I agree that only those with actual training should do this first aid procedure. But those cops and security personnel did have their training. Sayang lang, hindi nila ginamit.

Yung mga pulis at sekyu na yan or kung sino man sa atin, eh papano kung kamag-anak nila yung andun sa sitwasyon. Ewan lang kung ano reaksyon.

[badsekktor]

Contrary to popular belief, you can survive a bullet to the brain, especially if it's a low caliber bullet. Chances are even better if it's not a hollow point and it goes straight in instead of fragmenting every which way.

Depending on where in the brain it goes, you will have some impairment, but you could live. Stopping the bleeding would have lessened the blood loss and oxygen starvation of brain tissues and could have saved at least one of the victims. Simply bandaging the wounds could have done that.

I agree

I agree that only those with actual training should do this first aid procedure. But those cops and security personnel did have their training. Sayang lang, hindi nila ginamit.

Ang alam ko kapag involving bone fractures ang hindi kailangan galawin like sa road accidents or fall pero kung wound eh pwede naman lagyan ng pressure yun para maampat yun pagdudugo

Kaya ako kumuha ng baril eh... alam ko papanoorin ka lang ng kapitbahay mo kapag pinasok ka ng magnanakaw... ganun din pagdating sa emergencies.... malamang eh panoorin ka lang ng parang nanonood ng pelikula ng mga nakapaligid sa yo....

[Ry_Tower]

I agree




Ang alam ko kapag involving bone fractures ang hindi kailangan galawin like sa road accidents or fall pero kung wound eh pwede naman lagyan ng pressure yun para maampat yun pagdudugo

Kaya ako kumuha ng baril eh... alam ko papanoorin ka lang ng kapitbahay mo kapag pinasok ka ng magnanakaw... ganun din pagdating sa emergencies.... malamang eh panoorin ka lang ng parang nanonood ng pelikula ng mga nakapaligid sa yo....

Yes vehicular accidents or those involving suicide via jumping in height dapat check mo muna visually if may broken bones specific in the area of the spine. Yun ang delikado kasi baka lumala tama kaya dapat qualified/trained ka. Kaya nga sa road accident usually makikita mo may neck brace munang ilalagay as precaution before any attempt to free the victim.

Pero sa open wound, medyo basic ang first aid for those people not to have done anything.

Hehe yung sa baril kahit nga siguro airsoft gun puwede na para pang-deter lang. Ganda din nung may dogs ka na trained, hindi kumakain ng food na bigay ng ibang tao para hindi malason.

[oliver1013]

Ogags na kasi ngayon e, yung driver ko nagmomotor daw minsan, may nadaanan na sumemplang na naka motor din, hinintuan yung biktima dahil tutulungan, yung mga dumaan daw na mga tao dinuduro daw siya, buti nalang yung biktima galos lang at nakatayo rin agad, pinaliwanag sa by standers na sumemplang lang siya sa sarili niya...kung sakaling walang malay yung biktima baka yung driver ko nagulpi na o baka nakalaboso pa..

[uls]

Ogags na kasi ngayon e, yung driver ko nagmomotor daw minsan, may nadaanan na sumemplang na naka motor din, hinintuan yung biktima dahil tutulungan, yung mga dumaan daw na mga tao dinuduro daw siya, buti nalang yung biktima galos lang at nakatayo rin agad, pinaliwanag sa by standers na sumemplang lang siya sa sarili niya...kung sakaling walang malay yung biktima baka yung driver ko nagulpi na o baka nakalaboso pa..

see?

mind your own business nalang

huwag na mag superhero

baka maging supervillain ka pa

baligtad ang mundo ngayon

kaya tama yung ginawa ng gwardiya ng SM -- di pinakialaman

what's the worse that could happen to them now? siguro ma-lecture lang kung ano gagawin pag may ganyan incident uli

eh pag ginalaw nila baka nademanda pa sila dahil namatay yung tao

[oliver1013]

Hindi naman sa being indifferent, pero parang sugal din kasi pag tumulong ka, pag nabuhay, bayani ka, kung suswertehin ka baka sumikat ka ng ilang araw at may tongressman na gustong sumabit sa kasikatan mo, baka mabigyan ng scholarship anak mo. Pag nadedo...demanda ka na, gastos pa, kung todo malas ka pa baka makulong ka pa.

Kaya kahapon habang binobomba nila karen davila at vic deleon lima yung mga pulis at guwardiya parang gusto ko itext, palibhasa nasa loob kayo ng booth ang dali bumatikos.

[uls]

it's easy to criticize AFTER things happen

hindsight is 20/20

pero when you're there seeing those people laying on the ground, what will do?

tutulungan mo ba agad?

di mo ba iisipin "hey, gunshots... crime scene yan... di ko pwede galawin yan... call the authorities nalang"

[Monseratto]

Kaya kahapon habang binobomba nila karen davila at vic deleon lima yung mga pulis at guwardiya parang gusto ko itext, palibhasa nasa loob kayo ng booth ang dali bumatikos.

Typical sa mga news readers ng Media parasites always feeling armchair experts. Kala kung sinong magaling...

[niky]

it's easy to criticize AFTER things happen

hindsight is 20/20

pero when you're there seeing those people laying on the ground, what will do?

tutulungan mo ba agad?

di mo ba iisipin "hey, gunshots... crime scene yan... di ko pwede galawin yan... call the authorities nalang"

If there are people helping already... maybe not. But if no one else is there...

I've climbed up on top of buildings to help firemen. I got a few whacks (and ten stitches) to the head because I didn't run away from a fight when a friend was on the ground and we were outnumbered.I helped strap a patient down in the ER one time when I walked in during the graveyard shift and the only personnel there were interns too timid to get their hands on a "biter" squirting blood from a cut jugular with his intestines hanging out. Less importantly, but more enjoyable, I once carried a female classmate who'd stepped on a sea urchin a hundred meters over sharp coral back to beach ( ). Maybe over the years, I've gotten more cautious, because now I have a family, but there are some things that you don't just let slide. And a dying person is one of them.

[uls]

If there are people helping already... maybe not. But if no one else is there...

I've climbed up on top of buildings to help firemen. I helped strap a patient down in the ER one time when I walked in during the graveyard shift and the only personnel there were interns too timid to get their hands on a "biter". Maybe over the years, I've gotten more cautious, but there are some things that you don't just let slide. And a dying person is one of them.

i understand

there are things your conscience will not let you walk past

just figuring out the thinking process of those who witnessed the dying boy

they didnt do anything coz they're either apathetic or are in self-preservation mode

there's lack of empathy in our society

[uls]

kung may nadulas sa mall and got hurt bad, sigurado tutulungan ng gwardiya

pero murder suicide eto eh. i don't think guards were taught how to respond to something like that

they didn't know if they can move the dead&dying or not

to be on the safe side, they didnt