P72 MRT fare hike being considered

[badkuk]

Same justification as taxi's, not a lot of people can afford them (not even I, I take the bus to work, 10 petot lang hehe) but it's not like that's the only way to get from north to south.

ang sa akin lang ha...the MRT is meant to be a mass transport system. if you price it out of reach of the masses, self defeating eh. what's more, it may no longer justify occupying 2-3 lanes of EDSA since mababa ridership.

siguro pag isipan lang nila ng mabuti ung price increase; i.e. if fare is increased by X%, we predict ridership to go down by Y%.

[theveed]

Mass transit caters not only to the masses but also to reduce the number of private vehicles in main thoroughfares that's what they're for. That's why in modern cities, there are park lots in major stations so that cars that are coming from suburbs can park their cars and take the train/rail instead to and from congested cities.

Kung pang masa lang paguusapan, subsidize nalang lahat ng transpo para libre... Dun lang naman sasaya ang mga tao without thinking where the money will come from to provide for that service.

[boybi]

the MASS in MASS Transit systems means MANY, not MASA ;)

[CtrlAltDel]

Ganun pala kalaki ang subsidy sa MRT? while subsidy is good there is a dark side to the benefit we enjoy when we do not see the true cost of service. We get too dependent on aid and subsidy and become arrogantly allergic to any price increase. Kung pwede nga lang ibigay nalang libre, bahala na kung malugi negosyo.

Another personal observation. Kaya naman hindi tayo attractive sa investments kasi once nagsimulang kumita ang investors, ayan na, meron ng nag-rarally, hehehe.

[orly_andico]

Kung pang masa lang paguusapan, subsidize nalang lahat ng transpo para libre... Dun lang naman sasaya ang mga tao without thinking where the money will come from to provide for that service.

tigas talaga ng kapitalistang ito! hehehehehe

[theveed]

Orly: :D

[oldblue]

hindi din naman efficient sa haba ng pila, dapat i-add ito sa traveling time lalo na dun sa mga major stations like Cubao, Ayala, Magallanes kung 20 minutes kang pipila from Ayala tapos 10-15 minutes to travel to Ortigas. ganun din coz of the volume of people. tapos laki pa chances hindi mo ma-hit station mo coz yun mga walang pinag-aaralan nasa pinto na ayaw mag-budge.

it's close to chaos na yan MRT during rush hours.

my mrs. had to pretend she's pregnant just to get off the shaw station.

[theveed]

Bwiset din yung nagaannounce sa PA system, di maintindihan yung salita...

At as usual, di marunong pumila mga tao.

[niky]

well said chris...

ok lang gumastos mag forward ng useless text worth 20 bucks a day pero sa transpo ayaw hehe.

tama ka diyan! Alien? Alien!

I see 35 as not being too high for people to pay. Consider that the MRT costs justas much as the bus from point to point... when it should cost more, being much faster.

72 is just suicide. Of course, they'd save on maintenance because the trains won't be overloaded all the time. :lol:

Subsidized public transport? I'd rather see them put all the damn buses on EDSA under one franchise. Period.

My favorite bus line going back and forth to Manila from Laguna is De La Rosa. Why? Because they're a relatively big franchise, and they run their buses on a tight schedule. Drivers are not encouraged to squat in place for half an hour, like other buses do, because there's always another bus behind them that will lose out on passengers if they do. The service is quick and efficient, and at least thirty minutes per trip faster than their closest competitor. And they don't lose money, because they time their runs to meet the demands of the passengers.

A single franchise on EDSA, or a centralized conglomerate would mean:
-less buses during off-peak hours.
-no lane-squatting, no jockeying for position and swerving.
-more efficient service, less wasted money on diesel and maintenance.
-less buses, period. The work of twenty buses now plying EDSA could easily be performed by ten buses running on a good schedule.

If other countries can do it, why can't we? We depend more on buses than most! Puwede naman sigurong ibigay yung franchise, tapos centralized yung accounting, at may subsidy para sa mga buses running off-peak trips (only IF they lose money that way).

[theveed]

I can't imagine how chaotic the Tay-tay to Quiapo route will be if more than GLiner and RCGG ang bumabyahe dun sa route na yun...

Ang layo ng buses nila compared to junk EDSA busses...

Dapat talaga malimit ang franchises.

[orly_andico]

A single franchise on EDSA, or a centralized conglomerate would mean:
-less buses during off-peak hours.
-no lane-squatting, no jockeying for position and swerving.
-more efficient service, less wasted money on diesel and maintenance.
-less buses, period. The work of twenty buses now plying EDSA could easily be performed by ten buses running on a good schedule.

hindi masisiyahan si claire dela fuente diyan :twak:

seriously, are you kidding? the jeepneys should all have been gone from our main roads by now!! but they are still there, competing inefficiently with the buses, because our politicos pander to the masses, a large fraction of which eke out a marginal livelihood from driving jeepneys.

it seems that anyone with half (or a quarter) of a brain, who can't get any other job, can aspire to be a jeepney driver and risk the life and limb of not only himself and his fellow passengers, but of commuters and private drivers, on a daily basis!

ditto for bus drivers who are anything but professional...

it's funny that these guys aren't qualified to push paper, but they are "qualified" to risk the lives of multiple people.

[mrpink]

Bwiset din yung nagaannounce sa PA system, di maintindihan yung salita...

parang sa beerhouse ! .. hindi mo maintindihan kung ano pangalan nung mga sumasayaw ! .. hehe ..

[ILuvDetailing]

f other countries can do it, why can't we?

Good question...

Dito sa pinas puro sarili lang iniisip, if a public official has a project that does good for the public more often than not there will be a mass protest. why? because these people will be affected by it one way or the other. Good examples are those Bus schemes by the MMDA, puro protesta ang mga transport groups pag may bagong PUV scheme to help reduce unnecessary volume.

[basti08]

P72??? at sa tingin nila may sasakay sa P72 na MRT...lalo na di naman lahat ng sumasakay dun nakakaupo! mga ungas!!

dapat ayusin rin nila yung ibang public trans...gawin nilang mas disente yung mga buses parang sa ibang countries, yung may oras lang...pra pag late ka eh sorry ka.

basta ang squatter ng public transpo dito eh.

[niky]

hindi masisiyahan si claire dela fuente diyan :twak:

seriously, are you kidding? the jeepneys should all have been gone from our main roads by now!! but they are still there, competing inefficiently with the buses, because our politicos pander to the masses, a large fraction of which eke out a marginal livelihood from driving jeepneys.

it seems that anyone with half (or a quarter) of a brain, who can't get any other job, can aspire to be a jeepney driver and risk the life and limb of not only himself and his fellow passengers, but of commuters and private drivers, on a daily basis!

ditto for bus drivers who are anything but professional...

it's funny that these guys aren't qualified to push paper, but they are "qualified" to risk the lives of multiple people.

:lol: Don't get me started on jeepneys. Can you imagine over a hundred jeepneys jockeying for just a few dozen passengers? It's madness! Last time I passed Sucat road going to the airport at night, gridlock yung traffic... why?

There were almost one hundred jeepneys parked over three lanes. The first ten or so jeepneys had maybe five or ten bored passengers sitting there, waiting for them to leave.

The reason jeepney drivers only make a marginal living? Too much competition. Too many jeepneys.

Businesses should also look at keeping odd hours to help minimize traffic during peak hours. But it's very hard to ensure the security of your workers if you let them check in/out when it's dark.

[theveed]

Sama nyo pa 200mtr line ng tricycles sa mga kanto wala namang sumasakay hehe.

[chris_d]

naisip ko naman ngayon lang, pag tinaas yung fare ng mrt baka isipin bigla ng bus services na itaas rin fare nila (but still keep it lower than mrt rates) since wala rin naman choice yung mga tao na sasakay...

[niky]

Sama nyo pa 200mtr line ng tricycles sa mga kanto wala namang sumasakay hehe.

Poetic Justice sa mga peste na yan. No road courtesy, no sense of self preservation, and no concern for their passengers. Every time I ride one, I brace myself with both hands and feet and prepare for the worst.

Poor brakes+no seatbelt+no crash structure+prone to rollover... why are these legal again?

[ILuvDetailing]

Sa Roxas Blvd - Baclaran ginawang parking lot yung 2 lanes sometimes 3 lanes... our public transport system is a mess, and the authorities doesn't do anything about it.

[mazdamazda]

I'm not against raising it bro but Php72 is a hefty amount of money! What I mean is give the MRT users a fair amount of fare increase. (rhyme ba? :D)

they can always go back to riding buses...

when I sometimes commute to work, I take a bus instead of the MRT.

the fare is cheaper, I don't have to fall in line, I am seated all the time, I arrive still smelling fresh at the office and there's a TV to entertain me.

if some people go back to riding buses, then the flow of buses will be more faster (since they don't have to wait that long) resulting in less traffic... then riding the MRT will become more liveable... etc...