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March 7th, 2006 02:41 PM #101Originally Posted by flagg
Know why media can be so noisy about it? Because they know the government doesn't have a leg to stand on with 1017, that's why.
Originally Posted by morrissey_05
You're right, despite the "bias" of media, look beyond this bias and see what is being reported. Read the facts behind the hyperbole and you will see a grain of truth, trickling in not only from the media or the government, but also from many others.
I have not only seen interviews with anti-government people, but government people also. I watched the AFP's scenario reconstruction of the coup conspiracy.
I still can't help thinking that they botched it up in regards to public relations. The government message was confused at the beginning of the SONE because they were confused. No coordination, no concrete guidelines for implementation (the guidelines for media are still being written, up to now) and a mixed message being sent to the police and the judiciary. If they had been well prepared, none of this would have happened.
And remember, the government's side, the new allegations and facts linking the opposition to the Magdalo group, and all the other tidbits supporting the government side are also being reported in the media.
It's a double-edged sword, and GMA should learn how to wield it (like Ramos did).
Here's a thought for all of us to ponder:
Things happen whether you like it or not. For better or worse, information will reach the people through many different channels, through newspapers, TV, radio, SMS, public demonstrations, posters, the internet. If you try to deny people access to these channels, information will be spread in ways that you cannot control.
Thus, it is in your own best interests to learn how to exploit these sources of information to further your goals, instead of denying them. By denying these sources, you ensure that the only information that reaches the people will be the information that you don't want them to get.
Ang pagbalik ng comeback...
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March 7th, 2006 05:01 PM #102Originally Posted by van_wilder
dude, i like your optimism. i really do, because i feel the same way.
but i don't think its fair to say just because ppl are going out in the streets, blackmail na yun, and the President should step down. to me, its not as simple as that. she can choose to stay in the Palace, and i think she is doing just that because she learned so much from EDSA 1 and EDSA 2, smart girl that she is.
protesting is a basic fundamental right enshrined in the Constitution. aint nothing can take that away. if you dont agree with them, live with it. that's their right eh. give it to them na lang, in the same way they give you your right to...something else hehehe.
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March 8th, 2006 01:00 AM #103Originally Posted by morrissey_05
for Satur, Beltran, Saycon, Gueverra, David and company, hindi na nakakapagtaka kumbakit kabataan lang ang kaya nila hikayatin, very fragile pa kasi pag-iisip ng kabataan. kumbaga fresh from the books. that's why if observe mo rallies nila hindi naman ganun kadami mga kasintanda nila.
yes protesting is a basic fundamental right, but protesting is also a basic reaction to anger. madaling i-manipulate dont you think?
iLast edited by oldblue; March 8th, 2006 at 01:02 AM.
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March 8th, 2006 02:10 PM #104
oldblue,
i agree, most of these kids who join rallies are yung mga bagong recruit nila sa movement. kaka indoctrinate pa lang nila sa ideology kaya mejo fanatic pa ang dating. their young so hindi pa nila napaprocess yung ideology na na-feed sa kanila. akala nila yun at yun lang ang solusyon para sa bayan natin. di pa nila naiisip na baka meron pang ibang alternative. so who is to blame, these impressionable kids or the recruiters in the movement?
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March 8th, 2006 02:17 PM #105
o eto, isa na naman na umiikot na email. pero agree ako dito!
Sabi naman ng isa pa ay ito:
I too, am angry. I am angry that there are people like
you who have become so jaded, so cynical that you
would rather "lose our freedoms and our rights just to
move this country forward," meaning wherever GMA and
her cohorts are taking it.
Let me make it clear. I don't claim to speak or fight
for you or the entire Filipino people. I want GMA out
for the sake of MY rights and MY freedoms. I will
fight any government that steals MY vote, MY taxes,
that lies to ME and tramples on MY human rights and
civil liberties. If you don't want to join me in this
fight, then don't. I'm sure there are many others who
believe that government is there to serve the people,
not rob them blind.
In accepting GMA for all her failures, at least you're
honest enough to admit that you have lowered your
standards about what a leader should be. But please,
don't drag us down with you. And don't blame Cory or
the politicians for your pitiable compromises. How can
you tell me that just because Cory and the rest of our
leaders screwed us big time, then we should tolerate
someone like GMA who wants to screw us even more? And
you justify this by saying you've "taken the moral
high ground" by forgiving her? That's crazy. It's like
saying that having an extra-marital affair or sniffing
shabu is okay because anyway, everybody does it.
That's definitely as low as anyone's morals can go.
Oh, but you say GMA has bent over backwards so many
times. The question is, in what direction? Sure, she
has accommodated the demands of Jose de Venecia, her
corrupt and abusive generals, her allies in Congress
(whose pork barrel funds have been increased), the
terrorist-obsessed Americans and big business BUT SHE
HAS NEVER, NOT ONCE, ACCEDED TO THE DEMAND FOR US TO
KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THE ISSUES AFFECTING HER
PRESIDENCY. Do you honestly think her pathetic "I am
sorry" speech was a genuine apology? On the contrary,
she and her officials have stonewalled every
investigation on her crimes, throwing all kinds of
obstacles including the "great debate" that is Charter
change just to divert public attention and obfuscate
the issues.
The bottom line, you say, is that the oust GMA
movement has no viable alternative. More to the point,
that the alternatives are much worse than a GMA
presidency. Well, I have good news for you. THERE ARE
alternatives. The most progressive one is a transition
council composed of untainted, credible leaders from
various sectors and parties that will prepare for
clean, honest and credible elections and initiate a
number of social reforms.
I have even better news for you. YOU ARE THE
ALTERNATIVE. Unless people like you and me act and
involve ourselves in the process of replacing GMA with
leaders having the competence and genuine moral
authority to govern, then indeed we will be stuck with
political opportunists and/or coup plotters. In the
final analysis, we will only be as good as the leaders
we catapult to power. I bet you there are a million
more Filipinos who can do a better job than GMA.
But you're really not interested in all these, are
you, since you yourself say you "don't give a f*&k who
sits in Malacanang." All you want is that nothing
disrupts your comfortable middle class existence. To
hell with the rest of the country. To hell with good
governance. To hell with civil liberties and human
rights. All you want is to sip your chilled merlot in
peace.
Fortunately, I'm not like you. I DO care who sits in
Malacanang and every freaking public office. I care
what the President does and does not do. I care to the
point of getting angry whenever a President subverts
the Constitution, betrays the public trust, engages in
bribery and corruption, and does everything in her
power to hide her crimes against ME and the rest of
the Filipino people. More than getting angry, I FEEL I
HAVE TO ACT FOR REAL CHANGE TO HAPPEN.
If you don't agree with me, fine. Forget about GMA's
cheating, about Jose Pidal and other thieves and
criminals in government, about how our leaders have
robbed us of our dignity.
Go ahead, follow GMA's advice to "move on." Better
yet, stop bitching and get out of my sight. The
country will be better off without you. Go abroad and
make some money. You can come back when the dust
settles. Come back after we have kicked out the
thieves, political opportunists, and abusive
government officials. Come back when we have
transformed your beloved Philippines into a peaceful,
progressive and sovereign country.
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March 8th, 2006 02:27 PM #106
hmm nagbabasa kaya ng mga 'open letter' na naka-address sa kanila yung mga politicos?
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March 8th, 2006 02:43 PM #107Originally Posted by morrissey_05
I've been hearing talk of a "demokratikong konseho" or some other sort of transitional council, to replace GMA, especially around peyups. However, talks of such "plans" are ambiguous at best. What exactly do you mean by "untainted, credible leaders from various sectors..."? Sounds to me like some politician answer that's supposed to be politically correct (sounds like it's saying something good, but it doesn't say anything at all).
We (me and some dormmates) have been asking some of the activists/militants advocating this so called "transitional council". Questions like exactly who will sit in this council, how long will it last, what is this council going to focus on et al. is met by equally vague answers, most of them basically saying "ah, basta, demokratikong konseho ang papalit kay GMA". IMO, this isn't much better than the talk on Cha-cha, they say it's "for our own good" but don't really explain how it'll work!
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March 8th, 2006 03:00 PM #108Originally Posted by Alpha_One
"transitional council" --> just more political lip serviceLast edited by Bogeyman; March 8th, 2006 at 03:07 PM.
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March 8th, 2006 03:06 PM #109The bottom line, you say, is that the oust GMA
movement has no viable alternative. More to the point,
that the alternatives are much worse than a GMA
presidency. Well, I have good news for you. THERE ARE
alternatives. The most progressive one is a transition
council composed of untainted, credible leaders from
various sectors and parties that will prepare for
clean, honest and credible elections and initiate a
number of social reforms.
this sounds like this was penned by a leftist. hehe!
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March 8th, 2006 03:10 PM #110Originally Posted by morrissey_05
Right, so after saying "There's an alternative to GMA", the author is saying "The alternative to GMA is to oust GMA." Wait, I thought the original question was a "who" question?! You dodged the issue altogether, great politician answer sir/madame!
YOU are saying (actually, implying) that you will not defer to GMA. I'm not deferring to GMA. I'm sure most of us aren't going to be deferring to GMA. But here's a big reality check: GMA IS NOT GOING TO DEFER TO YOU, EITHER. YOU ARE NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. Neither is she going to defer to Cory, or all those other political has-been opportunists. GMA, whether or not is she the legitimate leader, is the undisputed de facto leader. She isn't going to resign because you're telling her to. The opposition isn't organized enough nor has the balls to impeach her.
Therein lies the problem with the oust/resign/impeach/whatever GMA movements, whichever side of the political compass you're on.
Frankly, the only way you're going to oust GMA is if you shoot her, or blow her up. I'll be glad to supply the guns and the bombs. Make sure to get JDV, FVR, Cory, Noli, et al. while you're at it. Kill her! Once she's gone, throw her into the Pasig. Since you think you can do such a good job, make yourself at home in Malacanang. Oh, and good luck - you'll need it.
...but don't be surprised if you're kicked out of office in the same way you want to "oust" GMA right now.
P.S. I'm so fired up and passionate in writing this post that I've edited it the 5th time now just to get it to say exactly what I want to say.Last edited by Alpha_One; March 8th, 2006 at 03:37 PM.
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