Nursing Licensure Exam Anomaly... Please Read On...

[nicolodeon]

...and for those who cheated, say 10 our father, 10 hail mary and glory be, then check if God forgave you=)

he he he, good one Doc.

[uls]

The big earning potential of working as a nurse abroad has turned nursing students and their parents into monsters. (not all ok? pero marami)

U can see the desperation... the "i-will-do-everything-i-can-to-pass" and the "don't-stand-in-the-way-of-my-future-or-i-will-kill-u" mentality of many students and their parents.

I see that same desperation in people who surprisingly produce tens or hundreds of thousands of pesos just to pay a recruiter to get them jobs abroad...

[StraightSix]

something ive been thinking about: SLU scored high in the last exams. E di ba sabi daw the leakage came from a Baguio branch of a certain review center?

If you take the time to look into it, you'll see that there's nothing unusual about SLU's exam performance. What's unusual, if what you're implying is true, is the fact that graduates from SLU - even the Dean - are among those protesting about the alleged leakage.

I just wish the PRC should've postponed the results until the investigation is over.

[morrissey_05]

If you take the time to look into it, you'll see that there's nothing unusual about SLU's exam performance. What's unusual, if what you're implying is true, is the fact that graduates from SLU - even the Dean - are among those protesting about the alleged leakage.

I just wish the PRC should've postponed the results until the investigation is over.

i stand corrected then. but we aren't exactly 100% sure none of the SLU students benefited from the leak.

[morrissey_05]

The technical panel on Nursing has also resigned over this (not that we're complaining much about that particular result).

FYI lang po. if you are referring to the CHED technical panel on nursing, they didnt resign because of the alleged leakage in the nursing exam. they resigned because their recommendations were not being taken seriously by the CHED leadership. peace!

[niky]

Yeah, but they mentioned the nursing examinations and the poor quality of such as part of their reasons.

[mazdamazda]

CHED ba kamo? hmmm... I'll check with my source.

[StraightSix]

i stand corrected then. but we aren't exactly 100% sure none of the SLU students benefited from the leak.

No problem ... we all make mistaeks

You can also put it this way: We're neither 100% sure none from the other universities cheated on the exams.

[jvdejesus05]

i dont think UST is sourgraping naman, just bec their passing rate is low this year. if i were a nursing student, whether from UST or not, i would be concerned with the leakage. in short, i would prefer a retake than to put my passing grade into question.

very well said po...
if i've also passed the exam i would like to retake the exam rather that be questioned about my competency in performing my profession.

The worst effect of this is to bring the reliability and validity of our Nursing exam into question. If the US and other foreign markets start seeing our licensure as invalid, this will severely hurt our nursing export industry. That's probably the biggest reason for this protest.

this is true... this anomaly will have a great effect in the international development of nurses especially with the credibilit of filipino nurses...
mushrooming of nursing schools everywhere has already hurt the profession because of the poor quality nurses that they produce add this problem up then i guess the filipino nurses have nowhere else to go anymore...

[morrissey_05]

Yeah, but they mentioned the nursing examinations and the poor quality of such as part of their reasons.

Yes. They said the passing rate of the nursing board exams was still the same as in the past years, meaning walang improvement sa quality ng graduates ON THE AVERAGE (emphasis here, before i get pilloried by nursing graduates here).

i also asked them about the leakage. they clarified that they are not resigning due to the leakage, nor will not comment on it since PRC ang dapat daw sumagot nun.

[niky]

Hmmm... that much is true. But board exam anomalies in the PRC are really old hat. I remember my Mom relating what happened during the Med boards during her time. They changed the exam because word of leakage got out... and right before the exam, some of the examinees were already passing around copies of the new one... disgraceful...

The problem is that the technical board wanted to impose a blanket ban and other restrictions on new schools. One tactic was to create so many new material and equipment requirements that it would be prohibitively expensive to run a nursing school. Kinda counterproductive, if all a school's money goes into equipment and not teachers. This is actually what's killing off small Maritime schools here. I shudder to think what will happen when Maritime schools with 100 students or less will be required to open up multi-million peso training centers (the CMO is still up in the air) instead of sending their students to the already good training centers already extant. Say goodbye Pinoy sailors, hello Chinese...

Like the CHED Secretary said when they resigned... they should stay on and help. Banning schools isn't a good way to improve Nursing... helping schools that are already existent improve their programs academically, and reward schools that produce good graduates.

[morrissey_05]

when there's more smoke, there's a bigger fire.


PRC defers oath-taking of new nurses

By Christian V. Esguerra
Inquirer
Last updated 03:44pm (Mla time) 07/28/2006

THE Professional Regulation Commission (PRC) said on Friday that it has decided to hold in “abeyance until further notice” the scheduled August 22 oath-taking of 17,871 new nurses.

Eufemia Octaviano, chair of the PRC’s Board of Nursing, said the decision was made after she met with the deans of the colleges of nursing of the University of the Philippines, the University of the East and the University of Santo Tomas.

She said the postponement was meant to allow the PRC to hear the concerns of other deans and await the results of the probe by the National Bureau of Investigation into the alleged leakage of questions in the last nursing board exams.

[morrissey_05]

The problem is that the technical board wanted to impose a blanket ban and other restrictions on new schools. One tactic was to create so many new material and equipment requirements that it would be prohibitively expensive to run a nursing school. Kinda counterproductive, if all a school's money goes into equipment and not teachers.

Like the CHED Secretary said when they resigned... they should stay on and help. Banning schools isn't a good way to improve Nursing... helping schools that are already existent improve their programs academically, and reward schools that produce good graduates.

i don't know about the suggestion of a blanket ban.

but i think the problem was that most schools lack sorely lacked equipment and teachers. for one, a lot of the schools which were supposed to be closed don't have a full hospital as a partner. so how can nursing students learn patient care hands on? another is that professors and deans in most of these schools are also professors and/or deans in other schools. quality will suffer.

I have no doubt that the members of the CHED Technical Committee on Nursing Education wanted to help. again, from my point of view, the suggestions they were giving were not really being noticed or taken seriously by CHED. they have already given their view on how to improve academically. so what more can we expect them to do? reward? the increase in enrollment due to the good quality of the school should be the best and only reward. improve their academic programs? if the programs were so bad, why should they be allowed to exist and why should we tolerate them?

are their suggestions unreasonable? maybe. but they must know something we don't. i can only hazard a guess that they are very concerned with the low quality of the nursing graduates. and as mandated, they wanted to do something about it.

IMHO, the students these schools are producing should speak for whether the school should be allowed to continue existing or not. if we allow substandard schools, there will be substandard graduates, and our country will go nowhere.

sorry if this is long.

[zero]

ang daming nagsulputan na nursing school ngayon.
karamihan din ng STI at AMA schools sa Pinas, nag-offer na rin ng nursing courses.
talagang nasa nursing ang pera ngayon.

[BoEinG_747]

nangangamba na iyon mga pumatol sa fixer ...hehehe

National Bureau of Investigation...
hhmmm ano na din kaya naging result ng investigation nila noon ng mag karoon din ng leak sa Cebu or Mindanao ata sa licensure exam ng Mechanical Engineering noon ?

[macky8]

yeah, the substance of learning eh nawawala na sa mga nursing students ngayon, wala na ginawa ang mga school kung di kumita para sa kapakanan nila..di nila iniisip ang kapakanan ng students....buti pa panahon ko sa nursing medyo ok pa ang turo. di nila narerealized sa sobrang dami ng nurses ngayon wala nang work sa ibang bansa....

[niky]

i don't know about the suggestion of a blanket ban.

but i think the problem was that most schools lack sorely lacked equipment and teachers. for one, a lot of the schools which were supposed to be closed don't have a full hospital as a partner. so how can nursing students learn patient care hands on? another is that professors and deans in most of these schools are also professors and/or deans in other schools. quality will suffer.

I have no doubt that the members of the CHED Technical Committee on Nursing Education wanted to help. again, from my point of view, the suggestions they were giving were not really being noticed or taken seriously by CHED. they have already given their view on how to improve academically. so what more can we expect them to do? reward? the increase in enrollment due to the good quality of the school should be the best and only reward. improve their academic programs? if the programs were so bad, why should they be allowed to exist and why should we tolerate them?

are their suggestions unreasonable? maybe. but they must know something we don't. i can only hazard a guess that they are very concerned with the low quality of the nursing graduates. and as mandated, they wanted to do something about it.

IMHO, the students these schools are producing should speak for whether the school should be allowed to continue existing or not. if we allow substandard schools, there will be substandard graduates, and our country will go nowhere.

sorry if this is long.

There was a moratorium for opening new nursing schools in effect since last year. That actually got pushed through.

As for the quality of students, that much is true. If a lot of people want to be nurses to leave, you'll get more "bad" students. If the course is not so in demand, only those who are dedicated and who actually want to become nurses to become nurses (and not just to become rich... ) will enroll.

As for shared deans and professors... that is a valid point. A lot of schools are guilty about that.

RE: Hospital. The ruling is arbitrary, and should be referenced as number of beds versus number of students. A lot of schools got around that rule by having a base hospital a zillion miles away from their school (how, oh how... ). But what alternative do they have? If you're serving a student population in the middle of nowhere, where are you going to find a hospital that big?

My beef is mostly with arbitrary physical requirements... shuck that, and focus on punishing schools for not upgrading teaching practices and curriculum. Of course, you do need the right equipment... but don't go on changing the rules regarding equipment every single year merely to catch some schools out.

If a school produces substandard graduates, the best way to punish them is to publish them in newspapers, or force them to post it on their gate (hahaha!!!). If I wanted to go to the US, I'd rather go to a school with a 75% passing rate than a school with a 10% rate...

[BoEinG_747]

yeah, the substance of learning eh nawawala na sa mga nursing students ngayon, wala na ginawa ang mga school kung di kumita para sa kapakanan nila..di nila iniisip ang kapakanan ng students....buti pa panahon ko sa nursing medyo ok pa ang turo.

iyon iba talaga school talaga business na talaga ang ginagawa .
di na iniisip talaga ang magandang edukasyon maibibigay sa estudyante nila ,
di ba may mga school na plan pa mag tayo ng mall ,or iba naman part ng school pina pa rent sa company
gina gawang warehouse

[FrankDrebin]

Balita ko daw na ang dahilan nito ay isang malaking Nursing review center na almost 100% na nag-take ng review sa kanila ay pumasa.

[BoEinG_747]

^^^ di ba kadalasan dito sa mga review center nanggagaling ang mga fixer
sila mag offer pag malapit na ang examination date