Not everything in the Bible is true...

[city]

Did I get this right? Some people don't believe because there's no proof nor evidence of god. In as much as proof or evidence works in reciprocity, shouldn't the same people rethink their belief since they likewise couldn't prove or give evidence that god does not exist? :confused::

Why believe in something that it isn't there? And how can you prove something that don't exist? How can you prove that a spherical cube exist? How can you prove that an invisible pink unicorn exist? Now if you throw back the challenge of proving that they don't exist, then I think you're nuts trying to prove something that it isn't there, correct? Same applies to god. god is only a concept. a program hardwired to our brain by evolution. We think it's real but it's not. Just like ghosts. It's all in our imagination. We try to embrace that belief in god because of fear. Fear is what made us thought of god, a powerful being who can control everything we see since we can't do it ourselves. wars , sickeness and all other sufferings are all natural experiences. We can;t just do anything about it but slowly we're finding solutions. Humans resort to this supernatural concept because they are victims of fear. We all are.

talking about proof or evidence, there's a blind man since birth who haven't seen the moon. does it mean that he should not believe that there is a moon because he couldn't see it? even when he is bombarded with various unseen information or even brought to the moon, he will find it hard to believe because he still can't see it? or is the deaf entitled to believe that the dancer is moving crazily because the deaf couldn't hear the music? ::

Yes much of our belief is based on what we see, hear, feel, taste and smell. Much of what is fed to our brain becomes knowledge thru the five senses. All information gathered by these senses are processed by the brain. If I were the blind man and someone told that i am actually on the moon, yes, i would find it hard to believe it's true but i still have 4 other senses working to see if I really am on the moon. The deaf, mute, blind, etc. are all entitled to believe based on what they see, feel, hear, tastes, and experience and it's their judgment if things are real or not.

[city]

It's wrong for Christians to continually update the Bible and bring it up to modern times, it's an abominable offense (Revelation 22:18-19). It's the duty though of Christians to spread/preach the Word.
The Bible doesn't grow, it doesn't evolve either. Di po pwedeng magbago ang Bible, otherwise God is a compromising god. Di po sya ganun.
Christ did not overturned that ruling. During the OT times, the punishment for breaking the Sabbath day is death. Ganun kahigpit ang Diyos. During Christ's time, the penalty is still death, but not physical death, rather it's spiritual death. Meaning, if you break the Sabbath day, you'll not be killed, but you're commiting a sin.
Books cannot be added to the Bible because of the above curse. There may be people who did this, or are doing it, then it's their choice, they've been warned. Now why doesn't it continue until today? The job of the prophets was to bring Christ to every people, nation, tribe of the world, using the Bible. Today, it's the job of every Christian to continue what the prophets did, to evangelize, to bring Christ to every modern people using not just the Bible but every available means of communication.
This I agree, ganito rin kasi ang sabi ng Diyos, subukan Sya. And this should be the attitude of all people.
This I beg to disagree, because as I've said, God is not a compromising god, He's holy and righteous, though a lot of Christians today are compromising their faith and beliefs.

Again it's their choice.

Hi Psalm,

Can you tell us which VERSION of the bible is the original bible without revision and which church is using it?

What's your views on the new gospels found by the scientists which are proven to be authentic?

Thanks,

city

[city]

The NT on the other hand also was not based on the OT, but rather it's the fulfillment of what was not achieved - salvation.

This is confusing. The NT is not based on OT? How come it was called OLD and NEW? How come it's published in one book? How come preachers and priests pluck verses from both during sermon and homilys?

Fullfillment of what was not achieved? What was not achieved? If it's the fulllfilment of what was not achieved then it's basically a continuation and therefore the NT is based on the OT, correct?

[CoDer]

Kakasawa na :popcorn:, :mcdo: naman.

:trampoline:

[city]

Ang alam kong mga atheists ay yung mga taong sa buong buhay nila ay di nila nalaman, nabasa, narinig o nakita ang anumang tungkol sa religion (no matter what kind).

The opposite of these are the "unbelievers"; basically because they don't believe (or don't want to) in any deities, teachings, doctrines, religion, etc.

Others believe in something else; not necessarily religion or beliefs, still they can't be called atheists.

Tama ba o mali?

Psalm,

I used to be a catholic, a believer in the supreme almighty god. Now i discovered and learned that it's all in the mind. It isn't real. It's a product of what i was thought to believe by my parents and the school when i begin to ask questions when i was a kid.

Now, I am an atheist. I dont believe in the supernatural, in ghosts, in whatever i was thought to believe about the bible, religious texts, etc.

An yes you are right. There are atheists who from natural birth have not been fed with unreal things.

Unbeliever is the term created by a certain group of religious people who dont hold the same beliefs.

[empy]

Psalm,

I used to be a catholic, a believer in the supreme almighty god. Now i discovered and learned that it's all in the mind. It isn't real. It's a product of what i was thought to believe by my parents and the school when i begin to ask questions when i was a kid.

Now, I am an atheist. I dont believe in the supernatural, in ghosts, in whatever i was thought to believe about the bible, religious texts, etc.

An yes you are right. There are atheists who from natural birth have not been fed with unreal things.

Unbeliever is the term created by a certain group of religious people who dont hold the same beliefs.

you sound like the very people you are putting down. there's no difference between religious crusaders who try to force their religion down your throat, and the atheist that insists that the existence of God is bullshit.

there are plenty of "believers" that are content to let atheists believe in their own things, and don't hold it against them. atheists should also allow people of faith to practice it without being denounced as "unreal"

[Kamui]

The Bible was written by man and hence cannot be an absolute basis of historical facts. To know the truth, people must look at multiple texts to get a more complete picture.

Hmmm... pls help me on this one because i'm quite confused. but aren't these multiple texts you're talking about were likewise written by man hence, by you're reasoning, also can't be an absolute basis of historical facts? and to continue with that, are we suppose to end up not knowing the truth or not getting a more complete picture because it seems that all related materials were also written by man? :confused:

Its not surprising to me that some people don't understand what I wrote. Let me rephrase it into something simple for you to understand.

All the books on planet Earth were written by man, so in order to get a complete picture of what is real and what is fantasy a person must read a lot of different books to get a more complete picture of what is fact and what fiction. No single book can be an absolute basis of fact. Which is what some people claim the Bible to be.

An example of this:
In a court of law, in order to prove a person is guilty of murder to a jury, the prosecutors must present multiple evidence and witnesses to provide their accounts on what happened so the jury will get a complete picture of how the murder took place. Because relying on the word of a single witness is not accurate.

The same applies to the Bible. Some people who are fanatics are convinced that everything in the bible is true and that it is the one "ABSOLUTE" historical document on the planet, which it is not. Some things on the bible are true and others are not. That is why people should read other books like real history books to be able to make up for the bible's inaccuracies.

Its all about keeping an open mind and not just blindly believing in what one book or one person tells you. There is a big difference in faith in God and faith in the word of God written down by man.

When I was still living in America a few months ago, there was a short time that some religious sects were all over the news. They were so fanatical that they said on live news that during the time of Adam and Eve, there were dinosaurs and that the dinosaurs could talk to Adam and Eve much like how the serpent(snake) did. It is an obvious attempt by fanatics to explain what the bible couldn't explain.

That's all I have to say on the issue. And from experience back in my college days, I know that this debate will just drag on, so it is best for me not to waste my time any further.

[city]

you sound like the very people you are putting down. there's no difference between religious crusaders who try to force their religion down your throat, and the atheist that insists that the existence of God is bullshit.

there are plenty of "believers" that are content to let atheists believe in their own things, and don't hold it against them. atheists should also allow people of faith to practice it without being denounced as "unreal"

really?..thanks.....BTW, do you know what religious crusaders are? And i didn't say god's existence is bullshit. It is you whao made that statement. Read it again. I said god is just a concept. How can a thing be a bullshit if it doesnt exist in the first place.

How did atheists disallowed believers to practice their faith? Can you cite some examples and facts if there are any. Are they practically disallowed when they hear things saying god is not real?

[CoDer]

you sound like the very people you are putting down. there's no difference between religious crusaders who try to force their religion down your throat, and the atheist that insists that the existence of God is bullshit.

there are plenty of "believers" that are content to let atheists believe in their own things, and don't hold it against them. atheists should also allow people of faith to practice it without being denounced as "unreal"

Good point sir.

Majority of my friends are non-Christian, faith and sprituality was an will never be a hindrance in our friendship.

You can debate so much about religion and practices, strech your logic beyond your limit and in the end of the long discourse you still failed to understand what Christianity is all about.

My rule of thumb is to stay away from self-righteous people, Christians or non-Christians.

[empy]

really?..thanks.....BTW, do you know what religious crusaders are?

of course i know what a religious crusader is. thanks for implying that i don't, you self-righteous nitwit. but just in case there is any misunderstanding, i am using it to describe people who try to force their beliefs on others. like you on one side, and the Pat Robertsons of the world on the other side.

And i didn't say god's existence is bullshit. It is you whao made that statement. Read it again. I said god is just a concept. How can a thing be a bullshit if it doesnt exist in the first place.

from Webster:

Main Entry: bull·shit
Pronunciation: 'bul-"****
Function: noun
Etymology: 1bull & 6bull
usually vulgar : NONSENSE

I used to be a catholic, a believer in the supreme almighty god. Now i discovered and learned that it's all in the mind. It isn't real. It's a product of what i was thought to believe by my parents and the school when i begin to ask questions when i was a kid.

An yes you are right. There are atheists who from natural birth have not been fed with unreal things.

can we agree that "nonsense" is synonymous with "unreal", "isn't real", and "doesn't exist in the first place"? would you have been happier if i quoted you as saying god doesn't exist, because that's what the term means in the first place?

How did atheists disallowed believers to practice their faith? Can you cite some examples and facts if there are any. Are they practically disallowed when they hear things saying god is not real?

i have seen only one example of an atheist attacking religious people because of what they believe in:
[SIZE="6"]YOU[/SIZE]

most atheists (i would say 1 in 4 of my friends call themselves atheists) are content to practice their nonbeliefs in peace. you are the only one i have come across trying to put down religious people just as aggressively as the religious nuts try to put down atheists.

i am actually on your side in this thread, because i think religious people go too far in judging atheists. but your hypocritical nonsense rubs me the wrong way.

[mazdamazda]

you sound like the very people you are putting down. there's no difference between religious crusaders who try to force their religion down your throat, and the atheist that insists that the existence of God is bullshit.

there are plenty of "believers" that are content to let atheists believe in their own things, and don't hold it against them. atheists should also allow people of faith to practice it without being denounced as "unreal"

I STRONGLY AGREE ON THIS.

Fundamentalism or extremism has no place here is but is applicable to both higher being believers and atheists.

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STAY ON THE TOPIC or I'll close this topic down.

[slamtaz]

I think you're nuts trying to prove something that it isn't there, correct? Same applies to god. god is only a concept. a program hardwired to our brain by evolution.

Yes much of our belief is based on what we see, hear, feel, taste and smell. Much of what is fed to our brain becomes knowledge thru the five senses. All information gathered by these senses are processed by the brain. If I were the blind man and someone told that i am actually on the moon, yes, i would find it hard to believe it's true but i still have 4 other senses working to see if I really am on the moon. The deaf, mute, blind, etc. are all entitled to believe based on what they see, feel, hear, tastes, and experience and it's their judgment if things are real or not.

oh ok, you said that its their judgment if things are real or not. now, should i follow your clarification above, then a blind man who "judges" that the moon doesn't exist (because he could not see it and that his other senses could not prove its existence beyond reasonable doubt) will call people "nuts", i.e. should people ask the blind man to prove that the moon isn't there? then maybe you're right, i'm nuts

Its not surprising to me that some people don't understand what I wrote. Let me rephrase it into something simple for you to understand.

All the books on planet Earth were written by man, so in order to get a complete picture of what is real and what is fantasy a person must read a lot of different books to get a more complete picture of what is fact and what fiction. No single book can be an absolute basis of fact. Which is what some people claim the Bible to be.

An example of this:
In a court of law, in order to prove a person is guilty of murder to a jury, the prosecutors must present multiple evidence and witnesses to provide their accounts on what happened so the jury will get a complete picture of how the murder took place. Because relying on the word of a single witness is not accurate.

The same applies to the Bible. Some people who are fanatics are convinced that everything in the bible is true and that it is the one "ABSOLUTE" historical document on the planet, which it is not. Some things on the bible are true and others are not. That is why people should read other books like real history books to be able to make up for the bible's inaccuracies.

Its all about keeping an open mind and not just blindly believing in what one book or one person tells you. There is a big difference in faith in God and faith in the word of God written down by man.

When I was still living in America a few months ago, there was a short time that some religious sects were all over the news. They were so fanatical that they said on live news that during the time of Adam and Eve, there were dinosaurs and that the dinosaurs could talk to Adam and Eve much like how the serpent(snake) did. It is an obvious attempt by fanatics to explain what the bible couldn't explain.

That's all I have to say on the issue. And from experience back in my college days, I know that this debate will just drag on, so it is best for me not to waste my time any further.

thanks for making it simple, but i was neither pointing to the bible as the absolute truth because i know its not. rather, i was pointing to all the "other books" you were referring to that can likewise never hold the absolute truth, simply because (as you have said) they were also written by man.. too bad tho, you thought i was debating you but i was merely trying to clarify your very own point..

[city]

of course i know what a religious crusader is. thanks for implying that i don't, you self-righteous nitwit. but just in case there is any misunderstanding, i am using it to describe people who try to force their beliefs on others. like you on one side, and the Pat Robertsons of the world on the other side.


from Webster:

Main Entry: bull·shit
Pronunciation: 'bul-"****
Function: noun
Etymology: 1bull & 6bull
usually vulgar : NONSENSE


can we agree that "nonsense" is synonymous with "unreal", "isn't real", and "doesn't exist in the first place"? would you have been happier if i quoted you as saying god doesn't exist, because that's what the term means in the first place?


i have seen only one example of an atheist attacking religious people because of what they believe in:
[SIZE="6"]YOU[/SIZE]

most atheists (i would say 1 in 4 of my friends call themselves atheists) are content to practice their nonbeliefs in peace. you are the only one i have come across trying to put down religious people just as aggressively as the religious nuts try to put down atheists.

i am actually on your side in this thread, because i think religious people go too far in judging atheists. but your hypocritical nonsense rubs me the wrong way.

you must be a christian. I understand.

[empy]

you must be a christian. I understand.

typical reaction from people who feel they are superior to everyone else....just after they get OWNED :evillaugh

i am a christian but a non-practicing one. and if you bother reading any of my other posts, you'll see that i openly question organized religion.

you seem like a decent, level-headed person when you post in other threads, which is why i don't understand why you are being so self-righteous and hypocritical in this one.

[theveed]

Fundamental Atheistm is also a religion by itself... Closing the doors to other possibilities and disrespecting existing religion is just the same as believing in one.

In this sense, City and Old Blue are in the 2 boats of the same ocean heading a different direction, and will just eventually crash again hehe.

Me, I prefer to just float hehe...

[CoDer]

Stay on topic boys. :arms:

[city]

typical reaction from people who feel they are superior to everyone else....just after they get OWNED :evillaugh

i am a christian but a non-practicing one. and if you bother reading any of my other posts, you'll see that i openly question organized religion.

you seem like a decent, level-headed person when you post in other threads, which is why i don't understand why you are being so self-righteous and hypocritical in this one.

that explains....you're a typical christian.

[CoDer]

Boys stop flaming each other. Baka ma close ni M2 tong thread, stay on topic lang tayo.

:grouphugg:

[empy]

that explains....you're a typical christian.

thanks for generalizing. thank God you're not a typical atheist. most of them are much more open minded than you....




...oh my gosh!! i just thanked God! i am going straight to non-hell!! :hysterical:

[m2's kumander]

:cry:

mga sir, hinay hinay lang po.
wish ko lang po eh healthy debates lang po.

tama si coder, stay lang po sa topics!