Not everything in the Bible is true...

[Flagg]

It's wrong for Christians to continually update the Bible and bring it up to modern times, it's an abominable offense (Revelation 22:18-19). It's the duty though of Christians to spread/preach the Word.
The Bible doesn't grow, it doesn't evolve either. Di po pwedeng magbago ang Bible, otherwise God is a compromising god. Di po sya ganun.

I've gotta disagree with you here. What's so special with the peoples of thousands of years ago that they get to write the Word of God? Is it because wala pang computer noon kaya medyo mahirap magsulat?

That the Bible is evolutionary does not make God compromising. It simply shows His revelatory nature. The Bible has obviously evolved before from using the primitive, carnal imagery of the OT to the more complex allegories of the NT. Why is it against the 'rules' to one day include books of God's revelations in our times?

Christ did not overturned that ruling. During the OT times, the punishment for breaking the Sabbath day is death. Ganun kahigpit ang Diyos. During Christ's time, the penalty is still death, but not physical death, rather it's spiritual death. Meaning, if you break the Sabbath day, you'll not be killed, but you're commiting a sin.

That death punishment is a case of man once again putting words in God's mouth. Is it not obvious that the Sabbath is simply God's wise way of saying: all work and no play makes you a very dull boy.

Hindi yun kasi mahigpit si God. Don't we remember that Jesus Christ had to come here to show the true and gentle way cuz them chosen people just couldn't get it right.

The punishment by death, IMO, is simply man's usual officiousness. Punishments are always a great source of income, no? Kinda like the NLEX speed limits of today, unwarranted officiousness. Time & again, the autobahn has proven that speed limits on freeway-type roads are pure BS.

[Flagg]

...Just like ghosts. It's all in our imagination. We try to embrace that belief in god because of fear. Fear is what made us thought of god, a powerful being who can control everything we see since we can't do it ourselves. wars , sickeness and all other sufferings are all natural experiences. We can;t just do anything about it but slowly we're finding solutions. Humans resort to this supernatural concept because they are victims of fear. We all are.

Hmm... I believe in ghosts (cuz of actual experience), but I don't fear them (they're not as bad-ass as they're cracked up to be). I believe in God, too, not that I'm afraid of Him.

Gotta say, your statement above is pretty fallacious. I'm afraid of the Bomb, but I don't worship it... or the hand that launches it.

Yes much of our belief is based on what we see, hear, feel, taste and smell. Much of what is fed to our brain becomes knowledge thru the five senses. All information gathered by these senses are processed by the brain. If I were the blind man and someone told that i am actually on the moon, yes, i would find it hard to believe it's true but i still have 4 other senses working to see if I really am on the moon. The deaf, mute, blind, etc. are all entitled to believe based on what they see, feel, hear, tastes, and experience and it's their judgment if things are real or not.

There was this Richard Pryor (he's a black comedian and was in Superman 3) movie where he was blind. That movie was pretty cool cuz he was always dressed up in Klan garb and riling against coloreds, cuz he never knew that he was black. And when he was told, he didn't believe it either... :bwahaha:

[Flagg]

How do you know which one god-breathed?

Hmm... ano kaya amoy ng breath of God? :bwahaha:

Sori sa OT.

[Psalm136:2]

Hhhhmmmm. Mukha yatang biglang nagbago ang timpla ni sir oldblue a.
Isa-isahin po natin:

The problem with most Christians or to be specific disgruntled christians is they care too much about the future.

What do you mean "disgruntled Christians"? Diba ibig sabihin nito e "displeased and discontented"? I'm sorry but I don't get the logic.

live your life in day tight compartments (san ko ba nabasa 'to hehehe)
kumbaga dont think too much, live today, make mistakes, sin, learn from your mistakes, confess, make mistakes again, sin, learn, confess again.

Diba eto dapat ang mind set ng isang "disgruntled Christian"?
Though it is true that God said; "live for today, don't think about tomorrow, let tomorrow worry about itself"... this doesn't mean that you'll go on a sinning and confessing spree. This simply means that with faith, God will provide a means for a person to live out his everyday needs (food, job, provisions, etc.) Ikaw ba pag nagkasala sayo ang anak mo or relative mo ng paulit-ulit, patatawarin mo rin ba sya ng paulit-ulit? Di ka ba mapupuno at maiinis nun? Na parang niloloko ka na, Sinasamantala ang kabaitan mo. Every Christian knows that God hates sin, though He's also gracious and forgiving, di rin Nya pinapayagan yung paulit-ulit na pagkakasala.

masyado inintindi yun salvation, revelation, punishment, hell. relax. why subject yourselves with these scenarios

I'm not subjecting myself with these scenarios, in fact, relax na relax po ako even with hardships and gabundok na problema, as you've said, I don't think about tomorrow or any other things na nakakasakit ng ulo, because I have faith. I'm not religious either, but it's good to know some facts about the Bible, at least alam ko kung anong dapat kung iwasan at gawin.

or maybe some Christian turned atheists didnt like the idea of heaven.
our souls running around in an ultra-white environment, white robes, white shoes, white flowers, white everything, with white pillars like that of Greek architecture.
so happy, so peaceful, so free... but wait? free? free ba talaga tayo sa heaven with a bearded man sitting behind those white pillars watching over us while we are as polite and equally annoying/plasticky as the inhabitants of the city in the movie Demolition Man
if that's the idea of heaven, tapos padadaanin pa tayo sa sobrang strict ng screening procedure here sa mundo, parang di worth d' ba?
parang mas ok kung ang heaven ay isa kang hotshot GQ-type suave-dressing bachelor personality with 3 large SUV's, 3 supercars, a very large mansion with heavily-armed guards in armani suits, and a jacuzzi outside filled with 3-5 Playboy girls bathing in bikini. yan ang heaven to the max! all the money, power, control, babes in the world!!!
teka nawala na point ko bec. of the previous paragraph... masyado ko na-imagine. tom na lang.

Wow! Tindi ng imagination mo bro.
But I guess, you'll just have to read and study the Bible to find out what heaven really looks like... and how to get there. :peace:

[Psalm136:2]

Sir flagg, sa susunod ko na lang sasagutin yung mga reply mo sa posts ko, trabaho muna ko, as you've said; "all work and no play makes you a very dull boy."... kaya play muna ko.

[theveed]

Originally Posted by oldblue
The problem with most Christians or to be specific disgruntled christians is they care too much about the future.

Uhh, Christian or not, since when did the past carry more importance than the future?

Sorry it's OT, but that statement was just mindboggling whether this is a religious discussion or not.

[oldblue]

Uhh, Christian or not, since when did the past carry more importance than the future?

Sorry it's OT, but that statement was just mindboggling whether this is a religious discussion or not.

sir tignan mo muna qui-note ko

[city]

Hmm... I believe in ghosts (cuz of actual experience), but I don't fear them (they're not as bad-ass as they're cracked up to be). I believe in God, too, not that I'm afraid of Him.

Gotta say, your statement above is pretty fallacious. I'm afraid of the Bomb, but I don't worship it... or the hand that launches it. :

people see what they want to see.


any idea how religion come about or how humans created god?

[oldblue]

Hhhhmmmm. Mukha yatang biglang nagbago ang timpla ni sir oldblue a.
Isa-isahin po natin:
What do you mean "disgruntled Christians"? Diba ibig sabihin nito e "displeased and discontented"? I'm sorry but I don't get the logic.
Diba eto dapat ang mind set ng isang "disgruntled Christian"?
Though it is true that God said; "live for today, don't think about tomorrow, let tomorrow worry about itself"... this doesn't mean that you'll go on a sinning and confessing spree. This simply means that with faith, God will provide a means for a person to live out his everyday needs (food, job, provisions, etc.) Ikaw ba pag nagkasala sayo ang anak mo or relative mo ng paulit-ulit, patatawarin mo rin ba sya ng paulit-ulit? Di ka ba mapupuno at maiinis nun? Na parang niloloko ka na, Sinasamantala ang kabaitan mo. Every Christian knows that God hates sin, though He's also gracious and forgiving, di rin Nya pinapayagan yung paulit-ulit na pagkakasala.
I'm not subjecting myself with these scenarios, in fact, relax na relax po ako even with hardships and gabundok na problema, as you've said, I don't think about tomorrow or any other things na nakakasakit ng ulo, because I have faith. I'm not religious either, but it's good to know some facts about the Bible, at least alam ko kung anong dapat kung iwasan at gawin.
Wow! Tindi ng imagination mo bro.
But I guess, you'll just have to read and study the Bible to find out what heaven really looks like... and how to get there. :peace:

all i'm saying sir is bec. of too much attention and giving importance to our future kaya andami nagiging depressed about christianity. or judgment day to be specific.

if we will look at the bigger picture, the bible is all about struggle between man and God. Man sins, Man confesses, Man gets forgiven. even in the time of Abraham, his form of confession was to sacrifice his own son to appease god. Then his descendants forget the event, sins again, God forgives them again. OT people stray away from God, god sends his only son to bring 'em back and forgives them, hence, the NT.

The true message of the bible is all about forgiveness. Man has always this habit of going on his own way after God forgave him. It's a continuous guiding process by God to bring us back to him. THAT's THE ONLY SINGLE MESSAGE. all other stories are just details to reinforce it. but somehow, some people are more into details, like the scientist inside 'em.

You know why Man always stray away from God. It's bec. of the generation gap. somehow the new generation always spell trouble. Parents/Oldies guide 'em, nurture 'em, teach 'em about God but even with these good intentions, something goes wrong pa din.

Young people are always stubborn. They react from almost everything: too much mention of God, fear from future punishment of God, they cant have *** after graduation bec. God says its wrong, they blame God bec. of a misfortune in life and so on and so forth. We can only rely on statistics, young people in the age bracket of 20-30 have the highest statistics on atheistic tendencies. but as they age, nababawasan na yan.
why? bec. they will realize than they're no different from the older people's experiences. pagdadaanan din nila ang hardships in life, and they'll soon realize why their parents are fearful at times but God-centered. yun corny na parents nila, magiging ganun din sila pagtanda.

most people fail to realize that judgment day (or the revelation) is also about forgiveness. even to the very end, even as the world crumbles, God will still ask you if you will turn away from your worldly ways and join him.

sin and forgiveness in the religious sense only signifies "make mistakes and learn from it" in the real world context. it's ok to sin or to make mistakes, as long as you learn from it. kumbaga trial and error.

it's so ironical that we accept the trial and error method as an important experimentation tool in science, but we cant accept it in real life, in subjecting our own spirituality to it. Our life is one whole experiment. that's the reason we are here. wag masyado pressur-in sarili for the future.

*Psalm, I know you are a religious person and I believe you have read the bible like any other religious experts. Me, I only rely on quotes for the day I dont even go to mass unless there is an event like weddings, baptisms etc. homilies bore the hell out of me. I cant stand priests relating gospels to what they experienced the previous week .

tell me am I wrong with the bible? isnt it all about forgiveness?

yun lang naman d'ba, so why complicate it?

[city]

Guys,

I would like to make a public apology. M54 is right, i'm such a self righteous hypocritical jerk. Gave it a lot of thought and would like to say sorry to all those whom i attacked and put down in this thread especially to glennster, BB, M2, oldblue, coder, psalm, flagg and to all other tsikoteers. My statements do sound offensive and like forcing what I think about this bible and god thing. I sounded like i know everything but i dont. I realized it's not healthy to make offensive statements and make others think like I do. Religion has its drawbacks and good side. It's the person who tries to practice it that makes religion bad.

My views and concept of god and religion remains the same. It's a choice I plan on sticking for hte rest of my life and will try my best to be tolerant as possible.

Thanks to Niky, Theveed , imau for at lest understanding my stand.

Again, to all tsikoteers, believers and non believers, I apologize sincerely for forcing my views. Atheists can sometimes be an ***hole. That includes me.

Thanks M54 for giving me the wake up call I needed. Thanks bro. Didn't hate you for that and I must say it did make me stay awake for one night and reflected on what you said. Sorry for acting like a superior dork. You guys are wonderful. I've considered this site a home and would like to stay.

I'll be around.

laters

[squatt3r]

pag religion na pinag-usapan an resulta ay katakut-takot na debate.

[theveed]

OK lang debate, wag lang away at personalan hehe. At least you're respectful enough to accept the belief of others as long as you're not forcing the issue anymore to "convert" folks from one side to the other, regardless of stand.

Back to the topic....

So, for the religious folks, do you believe that everything in the bible is factual? By factual, I mean, there's no "hypothetical" or "figuratively-speaking" statements in it to leads to ambigious interpretations?

Honestly, I like Psalm's arguments in this thread, insightful, yet non-discriminatory

[wakin]

i believe that the Bible is both factual and figuratively. e.g. during the old times, people received mana from Heaven as their food but now we don't see food falling from Heaven. God uses people as a channel to reach us.

[Chip]

Guys,

I would like to make a public apology. M54 is right, i'm such a self righteous hypocritical jerk. Gave it a lot of thought and would like to say sorry to all those whom i attacked and put down in this thread especially to glennster, BB, M2, oldblue, coder, psalm, flagg and to all other tsikoteers. My statements do sound offensive and like forcing what I think about this bible and god thing. I sounded like i know everything but i dont. I realized it's not healthy to make offensive statements and make others think like I do. Religion has its drawbacks and good side. It's the person who tries to practice it that makes religion bad.

My views and concept of god and religion remains the same. It's a choice I plan on sticking for hte rest of my life and will try my best to be tolerant as possible.

Thanks to Niky, Theveed , imau for at lest understanding my stand.

Again, to all tsikoteers, believers and non believers, I apologize sincerely for forcing my views. Atheists can sometimes be an ***hole. That includes me.

Thanks M54 for giving me the wake up call I needed. Thanks bro. Didn't hate you for that and I must say it did make me stay awake for one night and reflected on what you said. Sorry for acting like a superior dork. You guys are wonderful. I've considered this site a home and would like to stay.

I'll be around.

laters

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.

Cheers. :cheers2:

[empy]

Guys,

I would like to make a public apology. M54 is right, i'm such a self righteous hypocritical jerk. Gave it a lot of thought and would like to say sorry to all those whom i attacked and put down in this thread especially to glennster, BB, M2, oldblue, coder, psalm, flagg and to all other tsikoteers. My statements do sound offensive and like forcing what I think about this bible and god thing. I sounded like i know everything but i dont. I realized it's not healthy to make offensive statements and make others think like I do. Religion has its drawbacks and good side. It's the person who tries to practice it that makes religion bad.

My views and concept of god and religion remains the same. It's a choice I plan on sticking for hte rest of my life and will try my best to be tolerant as possible.

Thanks to Niky, Theveed , imau for at lest understanding my stand.

Again, to all tsikoteers, believers and non believers, I apologize sincerely for forcing my views. Atheists can sometimes be an ***hole. That includes me.

Thanks M54 for giving me the wake up call I needed. Thanks bro. Didn't hate you for that and I must say it did make me stay awake for one night and reflected on what you said. Sorry for acting like a superior dork. You guys are wonderful. I've considered this site a home and would like to stay.

I'll be around.

laters

wow. thank you for that, and i salute you for showing a lot of class and self-introspection. all i really wanted was to point that out since you may not have realized it, and none of this was personal on my part.

however, i said a couple of things i shouldn't have because i got a little irritated with one thing i read, but i've put that behind me. hope you can forgive that

for the record, and since we're all apologizing here, i believe some folks owe you an apology as well, since there has been plenty of imposition going around from all sides. i also sympathize with your situation - living in a catholic country and probably facing a lot of unfair judgements from people who think that being an atheist automatically makes you a bad person. with the above post, you've proven yourself to be a better man than all of them in my book.

i hope you didn't beat yourself up too much over this...like i said in a previous post i know you to be a mature and thoughtful individual on other topics, and i know this isn't you. peace

:grouphugg:

[CtrlAltDel]

OK lang debate, wag lang away at personalan hehe. At least you're respectful enough to accept the belief of others as long as you're not forcing the issue anymore to "convert" folks from one side to the other, regardless of stand.

Back to the topic....

So, for the religious folks, do you believe that everything in the bible is factual? By factual, I mean, there's no "hypothetical" or "figuratively-speaking" statements in it to leads to ambigious interpretations?

Honestly, I like Psalm's arguments in this thread, insightful, yet non-discriminatory

good one city.

theveed: do i believe the Bible is factual? you mean, would I rather read the Genesis say, " ...in the beginning God designed the DNA to support cellular life, commanded the universe to maintain electromagnetic equilibrium while constantly expanding, and created a distinct energy wavelengths that would cause sensation on the optic nerves visible as brightness..." ? heck, yeah! why not, heheh.

Even considering that there are many Christain groups each with unique interpretation of the Bible, my belief is that the Bible is the word of God. It is true to its essence of God's love, forgiveness, mercy and salvation.

But I wonder. Meron din kayang auto detailers sa afterlife?

[GlennSter]

city..inom nalang tayo!!!tama natoh.ehehehehe.

actually...naaliw ako mula nung tumahimik nako sa thread na ito.nagbabasa parin..naaaliw kasi it brings back memories when i was like you. kaya di ako tuluyang magalit dahil nakikita ko talaga ang sarili ko sa inyo.lalao na sayo.although hindi exakto, malapit at similar naman ang way of thinking natin pagdating sa usapang aetheism (mas intelihente nga lang ang karamihan ng mga sinabi mo...hehehe)

theveed: NO.not everything is factual.definitely not...

[theveed]

Kung may heaven o afterlife? No, lahat ng kotse makikintab at walang poop ang mga ibon, so safe magka Honda sa heaven hehehe

[TEAL]

pag religion na pinag-usapan an resulta ay katakut-takot na debate.

IMO, there's no need to go into a debate. Believers should simply do their part as they are "inspired" to do. It may be that your role is just to plant the seed. The watering and the harvesting may be the tasks of others in God's perfect time. IMO, to do more than what God assigned you to do is to go against His will.

[oldblue]

Back to the topic....

So, for the religious folks, do you believe that everything in the bible is factual? By factual, I mean, there's no "hypothetical" or "figuratively-speaking" statements in it to leads to ambigious interpretations?

you mean if 100% factual? I believe so. in fact, I even consider it as a good business book, if the bible is applied to business. The American democratic system is the best example of the bible when applied to real world scenarios.