Living in a condo

[Wh1stl3r]

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Bro my guys do the garage, gates, fences and the like where the quality of the finish doesn't matter much. But for parts of the house they tried and it didn't come out well.

I'd learn to do it myself but will never really get the time since I also work on Saturdays.

I'd be ok naman with contractors doing it if it didn't feel like a huge rip off every time.

[travajante]

Dreading the labor cost of having our bathroom redone again. Last time I had finishing done I had to choose between hotel level workmanship that was priced through the nose and a not much cheaper option that was much worse quality wise.

The house will also need painting soon. Hingang malalim na naman.

Here's a tip for exterior walls....look into stucco... will keep your structure looking new far far longer than paint, good brother.

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[dr. d]

i am reminded of my dad.
he built 'em much better than the so-called "pros".

[travajante]

i am reminded of my dad.
he built 'em much better than the so-called "pros".

The 'dinosaurs' were overbuilders....like Toyota long ago.[emoji4]

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[Wh1stl3r]

Here's a tip for exterior walls....look into stucco... will keep your structure looking new far far longer than paint, good brother.

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My Aunt's house has this finish bro. Paint does seem to last longer and adhere to the rough surface better. How do you keep it clean though? The tiny nooks and crannies are a favorite hang out for small spiders, wasps and the like.

[travajante]

My Aunt's house has this finish bro. Paint does seem to last longer and adhere to the rough surface better. How do you keep it clean though? The tiny nooks and crannies are a favorite hang out for small spiders, wasps and the like.

I'm talking pigmented stucco(color coats) used to coat EIFS systems, not paint-on-stucco finish. This is trowel applied(not brushed nor rolled) 1 wall a time, no joints. Exterior walls of malls & high-rises favor this...Won't peel, chalk nor flake. Easy to spray wash, too. Retains 'new' much longer.
The caption below says their quality of paint can last 10years....[emoji855]Ours can perhaps do just half...lower or zero teflon content(just lower standards); the tropics have more sun, UV & rain; plus, our level of pollution.🤪

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[Sweetlucious]

It looks naiwan na rin ang Pinas when it comes to workmanship. Even our Asean neighbors are better.

Like a friend of mine bumalik sa Pinas from Malaysia. He went around looking for a condo, yun P20-30M condo, mas maganda pa daw yun condo nya sa Malaysia na way cheaper pa.

Given na maganda raw yun ibang materials used, pero shock and awe. Yun mga walls are so wavy daw,and then theres the layout ng unit, which falls on the architect na, magulo daw.

[ice15]

It looks naiwan na rin ang Pinas when it comes to workmanship. Even our Asean neighbors are better.

Like a friend of mine bumalik sa Pinas from Malaysia. He went around looking for a condo, yun P20-30M condo, mas maganda pa daw yun condo nya sa Malaysia na way cheaper pa.

Given na maganda raw yun ibang materials used, pero shock and awe. Yun mga walls are so wavy daw,and then theres the layout ng unit, which falls on the architect na, magulo daw.

exactly my point earlier...

Pinoys can design and imagine, pero there are things na kailangan natin ng proper workers to "create"

Tama din si viper888 earlier na maayos naman hotels and casinos natin. pero we don't go to a hotel with a levelling bar and measuring tape to see if the walls are perfect to the last centimeter.

when we kicked our our first contractor, simple sinabi ko sa kanya, nung ginawa ng carpintero mo yung wall, pasado ba sa standards nya yan? tapos nakita din ng pintor mo, and nag decide sya na magstart na magpinta kahit di maayos pagkakagawa.

2 persons nakakita sa team nya (3 including the foreman) and they decided na papasa sa amin yung ginawa nila. (sample lang yung wall pero buong renovation nila palpak)

its either akala nila yun ang "maganda" sa amin, or bibigyan namin sila ng isa pang chance to correct the mistake (and extend the contract deadline)

OT na pala tayo. may house renovation thread

[papi smith]

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Bro my guys do the garage, gates, fences and the like where the quality of the finish doesn't matter much. But for parts of the house they tried and it didn't come out well.

I'd learn to do it myself but will never really get the time since I also work on Saturdays.

I'd be ok naman with contractors doing it if it didn't feel like a huge rip off every time.

What's wrong? The edges? Uneven shade? I had 4 painting jobs done, including one myself, it's just rollers and paint, I don't see any skill required, except that some people do the edges easily even without out tape.

[jut703]

What's wrong? The edges? Uneven shade? I had 4 painting jobs done, including one myself, it's just rollers and paint, I don't see any skill required, except that some people do the edges easily even without out tape.

Pansin ko pag DIY paint job hindi pantay thickness ng paint. Or sometimes it doesnt look cohesive vs professionally done paint.


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[papi smith]

Pansin ko pag DIY paint job hindi pantay thickness ng paint. Or sometimes it doesnt look cohesive vs professionally done paint.


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Probably true for dark shades, I only have two walls with dark shade, kaya siguro pantay lahat ng patrabaho ko kasi we use light shades. And we don't stop coating until maging pantay.

[Sweetlucious]

Pinoys can design and imagine, pero there are things na kailangan natin ng proper workers to "create"

Designing and creating? You know even that nagdududa na ako.

Pre pandemic, I was invited sa dalawang house warming ng friends ko. Both of them di magkakilala, but their houses have the same layout and floorplan. Different architects yet same layout?

May template ba mga architects? Na for this size of lot ganun lang gagawin?

[viper888]

Designing and creating? You know even that nagdududa na ako.

Pre pandemic, I was invited sa dalawang house warming ng friends ko. Both of them di magkakilala, but their houses have the same layout and floorplan. Different architects yet same layout?

May template ba mga architects? Na for this size of lot ganun lang gagawin?

Did they buy the house? House flippers tend to use the same layout again and again

If its a small lot, its normal for the layout to look similar since options are less.

You can only be more exploratory with bigger lot sizes

Back to condos: now those are all the same lol. Not much you can when youre stuck with a maximum grid size of 9x9, which is also perfect as a parking layout


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[dr. d]

Designing and creating? You know even that nagdududa na ako.

Pre pandemic, I was invited sa dalawang house warming ng friends ko. Both of them di magkakilala, but their houses have the same layout and floorplan. Different architects yet same layout?

May template ba mga architects? Na for this size of lot ganun lang gagawin?

in my opinion,
doing the same design on several houses can save on materials cost and may improve build quality.

if one passes by mass housing projects, which i am sure the poster-er did not have in mind,
one can see virtual copies and mirror images of the same house design...

one can pick up many ideas regarding house design, just perusing architectural digest magazines and such.

i suspect that some arquitectos will subconsciously repeat designs that they take a liking to.
there was a time, we could say this or that building was designed by locsin, because of the... design!

[travajante]

It looks naiwan na rin ang Pinas when it comes to workmanship. Even our Asean neighbors are better.

Like a friend of mine bumalik sa Pinas from Malaysia. He went around looking for a condo, yun P20-30M condo, mas maganda pa daw yun condo nya sa Malaysia na way cheaper pa.

Given na maganda raw yun ibang materials used, pero shock and awe. Yun mga walls are so wavy daw,and then theres the layout ng unit, which falls on the architect na, magulo daw.

Don't blame the hands. Knowledge & commitment play a much bigger part. Value engineering & quality execution are supposed to go together...can't just be one or the other. Frustrating to see compromises the norm.....how ideals get lost, corners get cut....& the craft, stuck....in a nation that exports sought labor. Ironic, isn't it?[emoji852]





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[Wh1stl3r]

I'm talking pigmented stucco(color coats) used to coat EIFS systems, not paint-on-stucco finish. This is trowel applied(not brushed nor rolled) 1 wall a time, no joints. Exterior walls of malls & high-rises favor this...Won't peel, chalk nor flake. Easy to spray wash, too. Retains 'new' much longer.
The caption below says their quality of paint can last 10years....[emoji855]Ours can perhaps do just half...lower or zero teflon content(just lower standards); the tropics have more sun, UV & rain; plus, our level of pollution.🤪

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Forgive my ignorance bro. I thought stucco was merely painted rough finished concrete. Our paint is already more than a decade old if memory serves, and now starting to look like it needs repainting soon. I guess with its age, sulit na yung paint job.

What's wrong? The edges? Uneven shade? I had 4 painting jobs done, including one myself, it's just rollers and paint, I don't see any skill required, except that some people do the edges easily even without out tape.

The edges and corners. Cornices. Even the middle parts are not even. Painting comes more easily to some people I guess but not our guys unfortunately.

Pansin ko pag DIY paint job hindi pantay thickness ng paint. Or sometimes it doesnt look cohesive vs professionally done paint.


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Exactly bro. Hindi pantay. There are thick spots and thin spots.

[ice15]

Designing and creating? You know even that nagdududa na ako.

Pre pandemic, I was invited sa dalawang house warming ng friends ko. Both of them di magkakilala, but their houses have the same layout and floorplan. Different architects yet same layout?

May template ba mga architects? Na for this size of lot ganun lang gagawin?

dadami pa lalo yan pag-bukas ng Ikea dito

I remember sa Singapore dati, natatawa locals kapag napansin nila Ikea gamit mo.

Pero personally, sa experience ko with local contractors. kinausap ko na si misis na sa next renovation namin, bili na lang kami ng whole kitchen/bedroom/bathroom set ng Ikea. (if I remember correctly sa Singapore, 400K lang -> converted in Pesos, maayos na entire kitchen. pwede pang sa kanila na assembly)

[ice15]

Don't blame the hands. Knowledge & commitment play a much bigger part. Value engineering & quality execution are supposed to go together...can't just be one or the other. Frustrating to see compromises the norm.....how ideals get lost, corners get cut....& the craft, stuck....in a nation that exports sought labor. Ironic, isn't it?[emoji852]

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the problem I can see with local contractors is the labor they get are NOT skilled enough to do the job

as I mentioned earlier.

maganda design ng house namin (halos 6 months meeting namin with the Interior Designer just to make my wife happy)

sabi ni (1st) Contractor, kaya

pero ang baba ng standards ng workers nya. puro "pwede na," "matatakpan yan," "di na yan mapapansin"

at first, I told my wife na hindi sila carpintero if their standards were higher and their brains were sharper. pero nung napansin ko na di nila kakayanin yung completion date as per our contract, di ko na sila pinalagpas. sila na ng lawyer namin nagusap.

as I said, maayos si (2nd) contractor namin. pero old school sila kaya madaming request si misis na aminado silang di nila kaya.

in the end... nag-meet sila ni misis sa look na "pwede na" -> as long as the wife is happy.

25K/sqm on renovation (cost ng 2 contractors combined) for a job na "pwede na"

I now friends in Singapore who spent less than 10K/sqm for their house renovation...

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nakaka-lungkot lang na we can't import blue collared workers kasi "kawawa yung mahihirap"

pero if they can't meet our standards, magtitiis na lang ba talaga tayo?

eto ba yung maiksi ang kumot? kailangan talaga mag bend? di ba masama sa likod yun?

kaya sa daughter ko...

kung maiksi ang kumot. hinaan mo yung aircon!

or

kung maiksi ang kumot. work harder and bili tayo ng bago!

[travajante]

the problem I can see with local contractors is the labor they get are NOT skilled enough to do the job

as I mentioned earlier.

maganda design ng house namin (halos 6 months meeting namin with the Interior Designer just to make my wife happy)

sabi ni (1st) Contractor, kaya

pero ang baba ng standards ng workers nya. puro "pwede na," "matatakpan yan," "di na yan mapapansin"

at first, I told my wife na hindi sila carpintero if their standards were higher and their brains were sharper. pero nung napansin ko na di nila kakayanin yung completion date as per our contract, di ko na sila pinalagpas. sila na ng lawyer namin nagusap.

as I said, maayos si (2nd) contractor namin. pero old school sila kaya madaming request si misis na aminado silang di nila kaya.

in the end... nag-meet sila ni misis sa look na "pwede na" -> as long as the wife is happy.

25K/sqm on renovation (cost ng 2 contractors combined) for a job na "pwede na"

I now friends in Singapore who spent less than 10K/sqm for their house renovation...

***
nakaka-lungkot lang na we can't import blue collared workers kasi "kawawa yung mahihirap"

pero if they can't meet our standards, magtitiis na lang ba talaga tayo?

eto ba yung maiksi ang kumot? kailangan talaga mag bend? di ba masama sa likod yun?

kaya sa daughter ko...

kung maiksi ang kumot. hinaan mo yung aircon!

or

kung maiksi ang kumot. work harder and bili tayo ng bago!

Skill is best developed & learned than scooped up somewhere. Chances are greater for unexpected loyalty with the former than the latter....but these days, you'd see self worth & entitlement more than old school values. And understandably....Times are tough. Plus, skill & quality come w/ a price not everyone may be willing to pay.
Going back to painting...the key is to have the least covering. Less is more here. Therefore, how the bones & structure are squared, plumbed & lined matter more than what's applied over. Who doesn't wish inner & natural beauty? Painters are so like makeup artists, they're not homogeneously gifted, few can perform miracles....I advocate focusing more on the pre-paint surface execution & quality than rely on cosmetic skills that may not be there or products that won't stand up to time & promise.
I can't speak for peers in the industry, but I see deficiency & huge voids in education, skill development, & even professional value formation from the humblest to the highest. And then there's that ill habit of non-refusal. Yes to everything. May it be from good nature of wanting to please or from greed. Both sad. I always believe professionals have the sacred responsibility to deliver products the lay can't do better. I'm more a realist who prefers to stay on the side of honesty. If we can't hack it, or may be spread thin, or see impossibility to some request, I'd never hesitate to say an honest NO. Taking ownership & constructing like it were your own are ethics every constructor must practice. If it's not good enough for the doer, flunk it, not pass it.
Between building structures & relationships, we value the latter more....More friendships forged from work than work handed by friendships..Humble blessings![emoji120][emoji121]

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[ray_noel]

So trav bai… how much per sqm you are charging? I know you’re keen to detail and know so much about construction… well of course if i have the budget and i will pay for extra to make my house great, one time big time na.


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