Jueteng Issue

[mbt]

hmm... e di imbis na jueteng, maglaro nalang sila ng 4-digit, 3-digit. hehehe. legalize jueteng, and another underground tax-evading gambling regime will take its place. imo, this is exactly the situation of jueteng now (the illegal alternative to legal gambling)

[mrpink]

hmm... e di imbis na jueteng, maglaro nalang sila ng 4-digit, 3-digit. hehehe. legalize jueteng, and another underground tax-evading gambling regime will take its place. imo, this is exactly the situation of jueteng now (the illegal alternative to legal gambling)

true .. once you legalize jueteng .. mawawala nga yung mga gambling lords .. pero magiging mahal maglaro ng jueteng .. kaya gagawa ng illegal alternative that will be cheaper .. at mabubuhay uli yung gambling lords ..

[ts1n1ta]

so....alang lusot ba? magiging cycle ah. hmm, kung legal na ang jueteng, ano kaya ang itatawag sa susunod na "jueteng"? hehehe

[ILuvDetailing]

speaking of legallizing jueting check this news article...

http://philstar.com/philstar/News200505240401.htm

[falken]

I don't think that jueteng can be stopped, there's a huge pile of money involved, the gambling lords have oodles of money and can payoff or liquidate anyone who's going to squeal on them. It's been here since 50's or the 60's. Is it me or has anyone noticed that everytime there's an anti jueteng campaign, it's only the kubradors that get arrested and not the gambling lord himself?

[2004lynxghia]

internet surfing..Gambling addiction is a compulsive need that can be devastating for the person and his family. Gambling addiction statistics gleaned from a study of co-occurrence of gambling and alcohol reveal that problem drinkers are more likely to have a gambling addiction problem. Compulsive gambling is not the addict's problem, but rather his solution for some serious underlying problem. One cannot blame gambling for an addiction because then the addict focuses only on the treatment than personal change. Gambling addiction is associated with other mental health problems like depression, anti-social personality disorder, mood disorders in many cases. Most people with compulsive gambling problems also have drug or alcohol problems. There is ongoing research about the actual causes of compulsive gambling..

..kung tama ang pagkakaintindi ko, ang jueteng ay isang uri ng sugal o gambling sa mga 'merkano..maliban sa ibang uri ng pagkasugapa katulad sa paninigarilyo, alak o bawal na gamot, ang pagsusugal daw ay isang paraan ng pagtakas sa isang mas malalang problema ng pagiging addict sa ibang bagay..

..ibig ba sabihin nito na sa talamak na sitwasyon ng jueteng sa bansa milyong-milyong pinoy na mga sugarol ang me behavioural pattern of addiction sa kanyang pagkatao..?!..

..pede maging item ito sa ripley's believe it or not..

[oldblue]

jueteng - d kinakailangan ng degree para i-operate -> sugal ng mahirap -> bawal
stock market - kailangan gradweyt ng business school or higher studies -> "risk investments" ng mayayaman -> legal

same difference to me. jueteng or not with the 1st family or even Erap, never did really care, as long as they still do their job for the country, ok for me.

[chieffy]

so....alang lusot ba? magiging cycle ah. hmm, kung legal na ang jueteng, ano kaya ang itatawag sa susunod na "jueteng"? hehehe

anak ng jueteng?

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di naman nawawala ang problema ng bayan (tulad ng jueteng)...mahirap tanggalin ang bisyo di ba?(yosi, alak, babae, etc.) kaya wala na talagang ibang paraan kundi i regulate ito(tulad saa alak bawal magtinda sa minors) ...kapag may sumulpot eh di i-regulate ulit...mas maganda na yung magkaroon ng panuntunan itong problemang ito kaysa sa wala...di mo naman masusugpo ito sa pamamagitan ng pagpipigil sa mga tao na tumaya dito kaya yung nagpapatakbo lang talaga ang maari pang kontrolin ng gobyerno...

ibang klaseng problema naman ito sa homicide, murder, etc....ibang usapan na iyon....

kung isisipin mo, ang payola lang naman talaga ang tunay na isyu dito eh...mas pipiliin ko pa na yung kinikita ng jueteng eh mapunta sa gobyerno at ilaan para sa mga proyekto kaysa sa mapunta lamang sa bulsa ng isa o iilang tao...

[van_wilder]

..ibig ba sabihin nito na sa talamak na sitwasyon ng jueteng sa bansa milyong-milyong pinoy na mga sugarol ang me behavioural pattern of addiction sa kanyang pagkatao..?!..

..pede maging item ito sa ripley's believe it or not..

hindi... ang masnaayon na interpretation ay DEPRESSED ang mga pilipino. hindi nila kaya harapin ang problema ng kahirapan kaya sila na-addict dito... ito na lamang ang kanilang alam na solusyon sa kanilang trial na hindi malampasan...

[IceColdBeer]

anak ng jueteng?

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di naman nawawala ang problema ng bayan (tulad ng jueteng)...mahirap tanggalin ang bisyo di ba?(yosi, alak, babae, etc.) kaya wala na talagang ibang paraan kundi i regulate ito(tulad saa alak bawal magtinda sa minors) ...kapag may sumulpot eh di i-regulate ulit...mas maganda na yung magkaroon ng panuntunan itong problemang ito kaysa sa wala...di mo naman masusugpo ito sa pamamagitan ng pagpipigil sa mga tao na tumaya dito kaya yung nagpapatakbo lang talaga ang maari pang kontrolin ng gobyerno...

ibang klaseng problema naman ito sa homicide, murder, etc....ibang usapan na iyon....

kung isisipin mo, ang payola lang naman talaga ang tunay na isyu dito eh...mas pipiliin ko pa na yung kinikita ng jueteng eh mapunta sa gobyerno at ilaan para sa mga proyekto kaysa sa mapunta lamang sa bulsa ng isa o iilang tao...

Agree

[explorer]

kaya pala kahit si bishop oscar cruz talagang walang pakundangang inaway ni mikey sa senate investigation noon, alam na seguro ni mikey na may alam si bishop cruz na kasama pangalan nya (mikey) sa jueteng list na tumatanggap ng tong...grabe! pati si lito lapid sobrang defesive pag nabanggit lang pangalan ng anak nyang gobernor na si mark lapid. eh sya pa naman yung chairman ng senate investigation sa jueteng...mga anak ng jueteng talaga *#$%!^&*()_+!

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Whistleblower links Arroyo son, PNP chief to 'jueteng'
Arroyo son, PNP chief deny allegations
Posted 01:27pm (Mla time) May 30, 2005
By Veronica Uy, Maila Ager
INQ7.net

(5TH UPDATE) PAMPANGA Representative Juan Miguel "Mikey" Arroyo, Director General Arturo Lomibao, national police chief, and three congressmen from Albay province received regular "payola" from "jueteng," a self-confessed operator disclosed to the Senate on Monday.

Wilfredo Mayor said however that except for Lomibao, he never met any of the officials he identified, only their alleged "bagmen."

He identified the three Albay congressmen as "[Krisel] Lagman-Luistro from the first district who allegedly gets 250,000 pesos a month; [Carlos] Imperial from the second district who allegedly receives 300,000 a month; and Joey Salceda from the third district, 400,000 pesos a month."

The first district congressman Mayor referred to was incumbent First District Representative Edcel Lagman's daughter.

Mayor however cleared "Albay Governor Bicharra," referring to former governor Al Francis Bicharra, who he said refused to get any payola.

Mayor, who started as a "jueteng operator" in Albay in 1995, said aside from those he had named, there were other government officials and even members of media allegedly receiving "payola" from the popular illegal numbers game that has been likened to lottery.

The young Arroyo branded Mayor's allegation as “totally untrue” and “patent disinformation” against the administration.

“Obviously, this testimony has been trumped up to forcibly drag me and administration figures, including my fellow congressmen from Albay into this controversy,” he said in a statement.

“Mayor was obviously coached to include me so that they would have a big fish to implicate on the first day of the Senate hearing,” he said.

“He [Mayor] mentioned people that I know as a congressman and former vice-governor of Pampanga, and fabricated a scenario involving them to give credence to his lies,” he said.

He said that it was saddening that the Senate has been made a forum to launch these "guided missiles" against them.

The congressman reiterated that he had never received payments or been involved in jueteng, saying that he is even against the legalization of the illegal numbers game.

Lomibao, who was at the Senate hearing, denied having met Mayor. He said he had met a lot of people but did not remember meeting this witness.

In separate statements, Salceda and the older Lagman also denied the "jueteng" allegations.

“I'm clueless. I don't know what's his [Mayor's] motive,” Salceda told INQ7.net in response to Mayor's claim.

Salceda said he could only surmise that his name was mentioned because the witness came from his province.

Lagman also denied the involvement of his daughter, a former lawmaker from the same district. “She's not involved. I have no idea why they are doing this,” he said in a separate interview.

“Maybe because I investigated the alleged money laundering activities of jueteng operators using overseas Filipino workers and most probably they want to stop me,” the congressman said in a separate interview.

The elder Lagman is the chairman of the House special committee on overseas Filipino workers.

His daughter is in the United States on a scholarship program, Inquirer News Service reported.

"[She] absolutely denies this accusation when I called her at about 3 p.m. She said she does not even know a certain self-confessed jueteng operator `Mayor' or the alleged collector or bagman by the name of `Caloy,'" Lagman told Inquirer News Service.

He said now that his family was being implicated, the congressman said it gave him more reason to pursue the investigation in the House of Representatives.

Dagupan-Lingayen Archbishop Oscar Cruz brought Mayor to the Senate, which started its inquiry into "jueteng" amid claims that those involved were either high-ranking government officials or were close to Malacañang.

"Di alam ng asawa [ko], isang anak ko lang [ang] nakakaalam. Gusto ko lang malaman ng publiko gaano kalalim ang jueteng. Isa lang po ako sa lalabas [My wife doesn't know. Only one of my children does. I want the public know how far jueteng has gone. I am only one of the witnesses]," said Mayor, who was introduced by Cruz as a "resource person."

Mayor claimed that mayors get seven percent of the collection, one percent of which goes to their chiefs of police.

Mayor said Legaspi City's collection per day is 800,000 pesos because it is a big city. For the entire Albay, the collection is 3.5 million pesos a day, he added.

The police regional command gets 400,000 pesos a week and 300,000 pesos is earmarked for Camp Crame police general headquarters, Mayor also said.

When he started managing "jueteng" in Baguio City, Mayor said Congressman Arroyo's bagman, one Arthur "Katoy" Naguit, asked for 600,000 pesos a month.

Mayor said that in Pangasinan province, where he started to operate in 2001, he got to meet Lomibao.

After several days, Mayor said he was able to launch jueteng operations.

When asked by Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago to detail his meeting with Lomibao, Mayor said the meeting was arranged by a certain Lito Millora. He said he met Lomibao while the latter was eating his dinner.

"O ikaw pala si Boy Mayor [Oh, so you're Boy Mayor]," Lomibao was supposed to have told him. And then the general proceeded to tell him about his experience in Camarines Sur. "Tapos nagpaalam na ako [I took my leave]," Mayor said.

Lomibao, who was just a seat away from him with Archbishop Cruz between them, had his head bowed all throughout Mayor's testimony. When Lomibao's name was mentioned, Interior and Local Government Secretary Angelo Reyes's eyes widened.

The witness said that while he did not meet Arroyo, who was vice governor of Pampanga at the time, he met with middlemen Naguit, Leo Katigbak, and Rene Maglanque (current chief of staff of Guiling Mamondiong, transportation and communications undersecretary for rail transport) in the Rembrandt Hotel sometime in 2002.

He said his proof that Arroyo indeed received the 600,000-peso monthly payola was when he was allowed to take over the jueteng operations from a certain Melchor "Ngongo" Calauag. He said he just raised his bid for the jueteng operations from 300,000 to 600,000 pesos.

He said Tomas Ranolla and Luis Maralit were his co-investors when he first ventured into jueteng. He said David Emralino, allegedly a mayor of a town in Quezon province, tried to enter the jueteng business in Albay but was not successful.

He said jueteng does not take much capital, especially if there is no need to shell out advanced protection money. He said he started with a capital of 500,000 pesos

Mayor also named Batangas Governor Armand Sanchez as "isa sa pinakamatigas sa jueteng" [one of most hardened jueteng operators] and Bong "Dose"Pineda as the other jueteng lords in the country.

Mayor said he stopped in 2003 when he ran for barangay (village) chairman.

He said he did not get involved in "jueteng" during the term of former president Joseph Estrada because he was involved in "bingo two ball" operations, which the Estrada administration had endorsed.

Estrada was ousted over allegations he was involved in jueteng.

[mikaztro]

Moro-moro lang iyan...lilipas din ang issue na iyan in about a month or so tapos back to jueteng na naman mga iyan. Eh kung si Boy ngongo ng Pampanga eh nag lie low na at nagsisimula na mag business ng legal kasi dalawang beses na siya pinatumba ng kalaban niya na kilalang jueteng lord and supporter ni GMA na taga Pampanga. Diet ngayon mga regional commanders ng PNP. Hehehe..buti nga sa kanila!

[chua_riwap]

Pag nawala ang jueteng, mamamayagpag naman, ENDING/LOTENG, he-he-he!

[seung]

Ang titigas ng mukha!

[mikaztro]

From top to bottom lahat sangkot iyan. From the president down to the Mayors and Regional Commanders and their staff. Eh ultimo nag head ng investigation sa senado eh sangkot din. Hehehe. Sino nga ba naman tatangi pag binibigyan ka ng not less than P500,000 a month kickback. Iyan ang mahirap sa gobyerno natin...ang mga mayayaman ay lalo yumayaman at ang mahihirap eh lalong humihirap. Kailangan natin na leader na may kamay na bakal at may konsyensya.

[falken]

And some people are wondering why hindi umaasenso bansa natin.

[IceColdBeer]

I just hope that the next government will have the guts to persecute and execute these corrupt government officials ala China.

[pawsacat]

we need a new breed of politicians....

[mrpink]

we need a new breed of politicians....

.. problem is .. once they are in power .. they become corrupt .. power corrupts ika nga ..

[RedHorse]

arnold clavio, bumabaligtad na... read his column on next post