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    Just wondering how the numerous security checks for automobiles and people at buildings, malls and other public and private establishments actually improve security.

    For the most part, in the current way they're being handled, I think they're a big waste of time and money.

    True, security checks on automobiles' trunks/baggage compartments will deter would-be perpetrators from putting a bomb in plainsight, but what happens if he puts it inside the car, like the engine, in the glove box, under the seat, in a bag inside the car, or anywhere in plainsight inside the car? Will a bomb/substance-sniffing dog be able to detect that from just opening the trunk?

    And what do these 'security' guards/inspectors actually expect to see inside a trunk to identify a bomb? Sticks of dynamite with 'TNT' written on them? A big, black, round object with a cotton string sticking out of it, and 'ACME' written on it? And wouldn't real terrorists do better to conceal such bomb components well enough so that you just don't see it?

    About inspection on your person, so they have metal detectors. But when do metal detectors actual detect a concealed weapon or the like? These detectors virtually beep each time they're run on a person. Is it because the person doesn't look suspicious, thus whatever's beeping is just some loose coins? Or if he does look suspicious, a more thorough body search follows?

    Oh, and that inspector's stick that pokes through bags or purses. Does it have some sort of a metal detector or camera in it? How can you tell that the bag or purse is actually safe by just looking at the top inside or perhaps bottom part?

    If these are how "security" checks are done, they forget about it, they're just a big waste of time and effort. Whoever's in charge might as well take them away, or make them more stringent.

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    actually its a question that has been nagging me for a long time, until i realize that it does not do anything except for some psychological na dating na nagsasabing "nagiinspect kami.."

    now things would be different if they do things in detail, which i think will create traffic specially at the entrance of each building or mall.

    and even though they use bomb sniffing dogs, i don't think it will be very much effective. most dogs cannot sniff out C4. and it will be very costly.

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    pang peace of mind lang yan

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    just to be able to say that they have inspection for the safety "daw" of the customers

    at minsan 2 or 3 pa na guard ang nag iinspect sa car

    sana sa roving na lang sila, i think mas effective yun if they want visibility

    to check lalo na mga questionable item/s na nagkalat. . . .


    and ung iba ata sa kanila ung mga non uniform na bantay sa department store
    or supermarket (kaya lang masyado halata sila ) pansin ko nga lagi ung mga un

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    Security checks do absolutely nothing except give more employment to people as "security guards".

    You can have sticks of dynamite attached to a clock in your shopping bag and you will just walk right through the "security" inspection. That is already for an obvious "bomb"... what else for an improvised explosive device which can look like anything (example, 1L bottle of coke, a pocketbook, woman's shoulderbag)?

    Last edited by ghosthunter; March 5th, 2008 at 04:48 PM.

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    just to be able to say that they have inspection for the safety "daw" of the customers

    at minsan 2 or 3 pa na guard ang nag iinspect sa car

    sana sa roving na lang sila, i think mas effective yun if they want visibility

    to check lalo na mga questionable item/s na nagkalat. . . .


    and ung iba ata sa kanila ung mga non uniform na bantay sa department store
    or supermarket (kaya lang masyado halata sila ) pansin ko nga lagi ung mga un

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    I often tend to think that it's nothing but the "placebo effect" in practice.

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    I dont think they can even detect IED.

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    Security checks may deter less determined criminals, but not the determined and clever variety of terrorists.

    As in most cases, security is a personal responsibility. We have to watch our surroundings when we're in public, and look out for things that seem out of place. Learn to listen to your gut instinct too.

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    Those security checks can deter dumb criminals. And if you happen to watch America's Dumbest Criminals, they do exist and even seem to number in the thousands.

    For me, a layer of security check is better than nothing at all. Like what the others have said, it gives peace of mind to the other shoppers that at least, something is being done.

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    Unfortunately, they don't know what they are doing rendering it useless.

    If I were a bomber:

    1. I'd put the C4 in the spare tire, park it in the mall and leave it to detonate.
    2. I'll put it in a laptop and detonate via cp.
    3. I'll put in a flower vase (with soil on top) or inside a similar kind of inconspicuous cylinder.
    4. and so on.

    If I were a mall owner or chief of security:

    1. I'd put x-ray on all exit and entry points of my mall.
    2. Hire at least three people whose job is to watch the surveillance videos all day.
    3. Donate to the military's anti-terrorism campaign.
    4. and so on.

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    Sa NAIA (Departure), minsang paalis ako, returning to ME, di na binuksan yung trunk ng tsikot namin. 2 pa yung umaaligid. Isang sisilip sa mga passengers at yung ilalim ng vehicle. Yung trunk, nalimutan..............


    Galing!

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    sop and panakot lng yun check hehehe=)

    unless there is a dog sniffing the car then that would be more believable, actually the check would also ease the tension for the mall goers.

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    hehe parang palabas lang e,

    kapag walang nangyayari, medyo luluwag

    kapag may sumabog biglang higpit

    tapos unting unting luluwag. paikot ikot lang

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    you are all wrong, the guard doesn't need to have proper training for explosive etc..it's all in their sticks/wand.. kahit bubble gum malalaman nila kung anong flavor...just one flick of their wrist...all the informations in your bag alam na nila...

    for they are using the ...................




































    "MAGICAL HARRY POTTER WAND"

    Last edited by shadow; March 6th, 2008 at 11:26 AM.

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    Dito kung SUV nga they don't bother anymore, kasi walang trunk. .

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    Siguro this process is just more of a psychological rather than a practical exercise.

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    Haha I have been asking these exact same questions for ages.

    In my opinion, no amount of security can stop a smart and determined terrorist.

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    Yeah, it's all for show. 3 guards will "inspect" your ride. All they'll have time to look at is perhaps how messy/cluttered/clean your trunk is, and how dirty the underside of your car is. Saya! Sa RCBC Plaza, dahil mahaba yung entrance nung parking, 3 pairs of guards will be waiting, para 3 at a time yung "inspection" nung guard. Ayun, sila sila hindi makapag-coordinate. May cars na dalawang beses matitignan, meron namang makakalusot.

    As to the building entrances, the security check at 6750 is quite thorough. There's an xray machine for cargo and a metal detector. At least that's some semblance of a real "inspection". Nga lang, it won't be feasible for places with more people traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazingerZ View Post
    Dito kung SUV nga they don't bother anymore, kasi walang trunk. .
    even with vans bro....

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