help about estafa case...

[pnay_fickle_minded]

anyone could help me know more about this case... kung pwedi ba ma-sentenced ng 8-11 years kung estafa lang yung case?

i just got a call from my cousin, nakakahiya man, her mom (my aunt) is in jail since thursday pa... meron daw kasi sya utang, cheke yata worth 21,000 pesos dun sa bading na businessman, binabayaran naman daw nya everyday dahil yun na nga ang napagkasunduan, kaso lang meron time na nagtalo sila nung bading, so from then di na daw nag pakita yung pinagkaka-utangan nya. Nung thurs dinampot na lang daw sya ng pulis dun sa store nila with warrant of arrest. Na-shock daw lahat, kasi wala naman daw sya narereceive na subphoena. Bine-bail nman ng mga kamag-anak ko kaso wala daw bail yung kaso nya. 21, 000 pesos lang po yung utang nya, pwedi bang walang bail yun? Nung friday daw lilipat na daw sana sa cityjail, kaso meron tumawag kaya dina nalipat... nakikipag-ayos naman yung family, kaso ayaw nung bading, gusto lang daw nya mabulok sa kulungan yung aunt ko. Im just wondering bakit na-sentenced na agad sya ng 8-11 years without hearing? pwedi po ba yun? what should our family do para di na sya malipat sa city jail? tapos baka malipat pa daw sa muntinlupa... gosh sobra na.... pati nga daw po yung police nagtataka dahil 21thou lang po yung utang nya, wala pang bail? Sa monday pa maasikaso yung case, sabi naman ng lawyer ng family ko, 50/50 pa daw.

please i need your help.. thanks in advance

[kimpOy]

im not a lawyer but i think hindi naman yata tama yun, dapat di ba may subpoena, tapos court hearing or arbitration...

[yebo]

di pwede yan, wala pa hearing e. dapat nga yan bago warrant of arrest e meron muna preliminary hearing sa fiscal's office. criminal case kasi so hindi pwede naprivate lawyer lang ang magdedemanda sa kanya, dapat fiscal. pag tapos na preliminary hearing sa fiscal at hindi na-settle ammicably yung kaso (out of court settlement) e saka pa lang mag-request ng warrant of arrest ang fiscal.

demanda nyo ng illegal arrest and illegal detention yung police, malamang merong lagayan na nangyari dyan kaya ganyan. tapos yung bading counter-sue nyo ng kidnapping.

may bail ang estafa. ang wala lang bail ay yung heinous crimes (drug trafficking, kidnapping, murder, armed robbery resulting to homicide, plunder)

[van_wilder]

hindi ka pwede makulong dahil hindi estafa yun... yun bading ang hindi nagpakita... kaso mukhang nabayaran yun mga police eh...

[pnay_fickle_minded]

thanks kimpoy and yebo, sinabi ko sa cousin ko, medyo nabigyan ng hope... wala lang kasi akong magawa kasi nasa tokyo ako. Sabi naman nya, kahit yung chief pulis mismo nnung kulungan nagtataka kasi walang bail... pano kaya yun? bigtime kasi yung bading kaya siguro may lagay. baka walang lagayan nangyari sa pulis, sa fiscal siguro may lagayan nangyari.... sa monday pa malalaman, di ko alam kung marunong ba talaga yung lawyer na kinuha nila, bakit dila na-advisan ng ganyan... wala kasi masyadong marunong na lawyer sa angeles

[kimpOy]

mukhang above the law ang mga authorities sa angeles ah...tsk tsk

[niky]

Whoever is truly at fault, estafa is a bailable offense, and what was done was against SOP from the start. Hell, I know of some people with cases in excess of 1m (and not RICH people, mind you, just unscrupulous middle class businesspeople) who are still free pending their court hearing.

[CLAVEL3699]

walang nakukulong sa EStafa pwera na lang pagtinakasan mo.

Paghinarap mo walang nakukulong dyan.

Bailable ang estafa.

[BoEinG_747]

[B]bigtime kasi yung bading kaya siguro may lagay

money talks (BS na bading iyan )ayw lumaban ng parehas,bading talaga

sa fiscal siguro may lagayan nangyari.

malamang humingi na ito ng legal advice sa fiscal .natapat na corrupt ,kaya ganon ang ginawa at hindi na dumaan sa tamang procedure ,pinadakip agad

sa monday pa malalaman, di ko alam kung marunong ba talaga yung lawyer na kinuha nila,

wawa naman ang aunt mo inabot pa ng weekend sa jail

[nestordreamin']

Ireport sa PLEB at kasuhan ang mga pulis. Mukhang illegal arrest. Kailangan bweltahan yung mga pulis.

[architect]

Agency : Free Legal Assistance Group (FLAG)
Address : Rm. 204 Cabrera II Bldg. 64 Timog Ave. Q.C.
Tel. # : 924-37-99 / 926-54-77 and 926-12-45
Services : Free legal assistance & legal education program violation of human rights, cases affecting communities economic sectors such as labor, students, teachers, urban and rural poor; etc.

Your aunt may want to try the above agency. Her basic human rights were clearly violated.

[chua_riwap]

baka walang lagayan nangyari sa pulis, sa fiscal siguro may lagayan nangyari....

Simpleng estafa case lang yun, walang bail? Tapos money involved, P21K lang? Buweltahan niyo yung Fiscal, di niya alam ang ginagawa niya.

[yebo]

tama, get a copy of the warrant of arrest and sue the fiscal for illegal detention and conspiracy in kidnapping. report him also to the bar council and have him de-barred for ignorance of the law.

[jake1210]

bailable yan P2000 pesos lang, kahit sinong abogado hindi dapat nakulong aunt mo. ginapang (binayaran) yan ng bading sa fiscal dahil walang nagyaring arraignment sa aunt mo at ni walang subpoena as per your info (pero sigurado ko meron yan subpoena at iba ang pumirma). Labag sa batas yan without due process at alam yan ng Atty ninyo... maliban lang kung peperahan din kayo ng ATTY... keso mahirap, ganito.. kailangan.. pera... etc. anong 50/50 na sabi ng atty? get another atty kung ganyan agad pananaw sa case.

same case kasi nagyari sa pinsan ko, walang kaalam-alam may warrant of arrest dahil estafa din ikinaso take note mas mataas pa sa P21T, sinamahan agad ng atty pinsan ko sa fiscal then paid P2000 bail, kumuha ng case copy then file sila ng motion na ibalik sa prelim ang case dahil walang nangyaring due process, nanalo sila at dismiss yung case dahil hindi naman niya tinatakbuhan yung utang niya babayaran naman as per their previous aggreement nung nagsampa ng case.

[jake1210]

Ireport sa PLEB at kasuhan ang mga pulis. Mukhang illegal arrest. Kailangan bweltahan yung mga pulis.

IMHO walang kinalaman ang mga warrant serving officers (PuLIS) dahil may pirma yan ng Judge. Legal yan at may hawak silang valid W.O.A.

[CoDer]

May anomalya nga dyan. 21K lang ang money involved, masyadong maliit.

Korek ang advice ni yebo. demanda nyo ang fiscal at i-report sa bar council.

[Walter]

You cannot be jailed for estafa. Either the attorney you got is trying to swindle you or there is another side to the story which your cousins are not telling you.

[Isuzoom]

sa kasong ito talo lahat..panalo ang abugado.

[Elroi]

Im just wondering bakit na-sentenced na agad sya ng 8-11 years without hearing? pwedi po ba yun?

as mentioned above, sentenced na yung aunt mo so may court hearing na nangyari.. i don't know kung pano nag hearing na di nalaman ng aunt mo or kung binalewala lang nya ito. generally kasi ang perception ng tao ay walang nakukulong sa utang but here's one example na meron. yung 21k naman ay baka principal lang at nanganak na ng interest na nagkapatong-patong.. better consult another lawyer and appeal the case..

hindi po ako lawyer.. i'm just presenting my opinion based on the above post...

[Sheep]

how i wish i can talk to the fag and ask him? her? errrr it, to teach me a thing or two on how he pulled off a non - bailable case with just a debt 21,000 :D

in our business, collecting debts is like a wild goose chase hell we even have a company lawyer who handles all the collectible accounts but still after the tedious process it is just settled with measly bail.... then after a few months the process is just repeated...talk about the never ending story...

sadly we learned the hard way suntok sa buwan kung makasingil ka anyway we learn from our mistakes so to avoid all these "huwag magpapautang walang cash walang goods" kaliwaan lagi dapat :D

note: walang nakukulong sa pilipinas dahil sa utang ang daming loop holes ng batas
halos pareho lang ito sa saying na kung walang magpapaloko e di walang manloloko
kung walang mangpapautang e di walang magkakautang