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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Reminds me of the horrible war time stories my parents and grandma told me when I was a kid.

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    These wartime memories really need to be remembered.

    Was in Bataan yesterday and I really appreciated the memorial shrine honoring the Battle and Fall of Bataan.

    It's not enough to remember though, there should always be action connected to it - hopefully it inspires nationalism and a desire to bring back the glory of this nation, in whatever small way an individual can contribute.





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    What's more pitiful is what the city has become 69 years after and not just the city, the whole country.

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    Terrible.

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    Grabe. This is why i don't mess with anyone who's been through a war, sundalo man o civilian. i doubt if would've been half as strong as they've been.

    i read somewhere that the reason for the atrocities was that the Japanese troops deployed to the Philippines and other SE countries they conquered were 2nd or 3rd rate troops, hence they were undisciplined, etc. Excuses, excuses...

    Re the LaSalle brothers: they say you can still see the spatters of blood on the floor of the chapel.

    WW2 fanatics like me like to recount the great battles, heroes, etc. Props to the author for reminding us about the true costs of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    These wartime memories really need to be remembered.

    Was in Bataan yesterday and I really appreciated the memorial shrine honoring the Battle and Fall of Bataan.

    It's not enough to remember though, there should always be action connected to it - hopefully it inspires nationalism and a desire to bring back the glory of this nation, in whatever small way an individual can contribute.





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    It's very sad that a lot are forgetting the horrors of war. I also take people to Mt. Samat just to do my part in helping people remember the horrors our forefathers went through just to give us the **** we enjoy today.

    By accident i also discovered the San Fernando train station where the Bataan Death March ended and people were herded onto train cars for Tarlac. Driving from Bataan to Pampanga on a regular afternoon is already hell... imagine walking it with no water and bayonets close behind your ass.

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    Japan trying to re-invent themselves as the "good guys" during WW2...





    Troubling Japanese denial of war crimes - Los Angeles Times

    Revisionism Tokyo-style
    Japan's leaders still won't acknowledge their country's wartime atrocities.
    January 18, 2013|By Bill Guttentag and Dan Sturman

    This month 75 years ago, the people of Nanking, China's ancient capital city, were in the midst of one of the worst atrocities in history, the infamous Rape of Nanking. The truth of what actually happened is at the center of a bitter dispute between China and Japan that continues to play out in present-day relations. Many Chinese see Japan's election last month of ultraconservative nationalist Shinzo Abe as prime minister as just the latest in a string of insults. And it was recently reported that Japan is considering rolling back its 1993 apology regarding "comfort women," the thousands of women the Japanese army ***ually enslaved during World War II.

    In 1937, the Japanese Imperial Army, captured Nanking on Dec. 13. No one knows the exact toll the Japanese soldiers exacted on its citizens, but a postwar Allied investigation put the numbers at more than 200,000 killed and at least 20,000 women and girls raped in the six weeks after the city fell.

    In 2006, we traveled to China and to Japan to interview victims and soldiers who took part in the massacre. One former Japanese soldier explained, without a hint of regret: "We all drew straws, and the man who pulled out the one marked first, he brushed off her face tenderly and treated her pretty, yes, and then proceeded to rape her. As their daughter was being raped, the parents would come outside and gesture to us, 'Please spare her!' They'd bang their heads on the ground and plead with us. We'd take one girl and five of us would hold her down."

    In China, a 79-year-old man tearfully described how, at 9 years old, he watched a soldier bayonet his mother to death as she breast fed his brother. Another man saw his 13-year-old sister sliced in half by a Japanese soldier after she resisted being raped. Elderly women told harrowing stories of the rapes they endured as young girls.

    It was the mass rapes in Nanking and the brutalization of an entire populace that eventually convinced Japanese military leaders that they needed to contain the chaos. Japanese soldiers began rounding up women and forcing them to serve as *** slaves in so-called comfort stations.

    This is what most historians believe. But not in Japan, where a large faction of conservatives, led by Abe, denies that the Japanese military forced women into ***ual slavery. They maintain that any suggestion to the contrary is simply anti-Japanese propaganda and probably spread by China. At the furthest end of the spectrum, the minimizing turns to flat-out denial; one professor we interviewed at a top Japanese university adamantly insisted there were no killings or rapes in Nanking.

    Not surprisingly, all this minimizing and denial enrages the Chinese and others in Asia. But this is a familiar pattern.

    Abe has visited the controversial Yasukuni shrine in Tokyo and has said he plans to visit again as prime minister. This is the place where the souls of more than 2 million Japanese war dead are said to be enshrined. Among them are 14 men convicted at the end of World War II of what are known as Class-A war crimes, including Iwane Matsui, the general who led Japanese forces in Nanking. To the Chinese, every visit by an official is like ripping open an unhealed wound. Former Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi went there six times, and his 2005 visit resulted in anti-Japanese riots in China.

    It's also informative to walk just a few yards to the Yushukan, the museum affiliated with the Yasukuni shrine. There, as we surveyed the exhibits on the Great East Asian War (World War II to much of the rest of the world), we were surprised to learn that Franklin D. Roosevelt had forced Japan to go to war in a calculated effort to lift the U.S. out of the Depression. (This exhibit was recently revised to omit the Depression reference; now it just says the U.S. forced Japan into bombing Pearl Harbor.)

    Then there's the exhibit that argues that Japan's "entry into" other Asian countries was simply an effort to help them throw off the yoke of Western colonization. The museum claims that the Japanese leaders who were tried as war criminals were heroic. A tiny section on Nanking makes no mention of atrocities.


    All this revisionism is interspersed with militaristic displays. And crucially, these are not a handful of dusty exhibits in an out-of-the-way place; the Yasukuni complex occupies 25 acres of prime Tokyo real estate.

    Fueled by such an aggrieved interpretation of Japan's wartime past, Abe and his party are leading efforts to amend Article 9 of the nation's postwar constitution, which mandates that Japan not maintain a standing army. This comes at a time of escalating tension with China, much of it focused on the Senkaku islands. And Abe's government is considering revising what is known as the Kono Statement, a 1993 apology Japan made for the comfort women, an issue of great meaning to China and other nations that had women forced into ***ual slavery.
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    i recall the essay, "kwento ng isang p*ta."

    it's hard enough to take when foreigners have their way with our resources, but it's harder when your own countrymen doing it to you due to sheer greed.

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    nauubos na ang mga taong nabuhay noong panahon ng hapon. lalo na ang mga veterans. let's listen to their stories before mawala nang tuluyan ang mga 1st degree witnesses.

    sayang. we have a philippine scount widow na neighbor. 91 yrs na pero may alzheimers na.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    These wartime memories really need to be remembered.

    Was in Bataan yesterday and I really appreciated the memorial shrine honoring the Battle and Fall of Bataan.

    It's not enough to remember though, there should always be action connected to it - hopefully it inspires nationalism and a desire to bring back the glory of this nation, in whatever small way an individual can contribute.





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    wala namang pahalaga mga tao diyan. tagal ko ng dinadaanan nung "battle of tuol pocket" marker. di man lang mabigyan ng isang disenteng commemorative monument kahit maliit lang basta maayos. isa lang yan sa sandamakmak na markers, alam ko yung iba nasa liblib tulad niyang tuol marker na inilabas lang sa kalsada.
    sa erpat at mga lolo ko lang nalaman yung mga naipit sa loob ng fort santiago. yung mga nalulunod sa dungeons na malapit sa pasig pag high-tide. yung mga kinatay sa pgh, at yung tuwa nilang makita mga kanong nag mamartsa sa kalye azcarraga (c.m. recto) namimigay ng tsokolate, victory joe, peace sign atbp.

    wala naman tayong kuwentang paalalahanan eh. para que?
    kilala niyo pa ba si honorio lopez at kung saan siya dating nakatira?
    natanung ko lang.

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    If we don’t learn from history then we're bound to repeat it. Doon sa China thread may mga naghahamon ng gera. Ang hindi nila alam pag nasakop pilipinas yung mga talunan paglalaruan ng occupying forces. Daming snuff film sa gera ng Croatia, tinutusok ng kutsilyo yung lalamunan, tapos lalaslasin paikot hanggang maputol ulo. Sa Mindanao, ganyan rin ginagawa ng mga rebeldeng moro sa mga sundalo natin.

    Grabe brutality sa gera, people become animals. Kahit nung nanalo America sa Iraq, kita nyo itsura ng prisoners of war nila.

    Sent from the Twilight Zone...

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    Tanungin niyo lang mga bata what they think of Japan. Mas positive ang tingin nila dahil sa anime at video games...

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    It's China's turn now, but they will not be successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Tanungin niyo lang mga bata what they think of Japan. Mas positive ang tingin nila dahil sa anime at video games...
    And what do you expect our kids will grow up. Hate Japan to eternity like you Chinese?

    Japan is our ally now, unlike your China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e2romo View Post
    If we don’t learn from history then we're bound to repeat it. Doon sa China thread may mga naghahamon ng gera. Ang hindi nila alam pag nasakop pilipinas yung mga talunan paglalaruan ng occupying forces. Daming snuff film sa gera ng Croatia, tinutusok ng kutsilyo yung lalamunan, tapos lalaslasin paikot hanggang maputol ulo. Sa Mindanao, ganyan rin ginagawa ng mga rebeldeng moro sa mga sundalo natin.

    Grabe brutality sa gera, people become animals. Kahit nung nanalo America sa Iraq, kita nyo itsura ng prisoners of war nila.

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    yan din ang iniisp ko.
    ewan ko lang kung may matapang pa kapag nakikita na nila or nararanasan na nila ang epekto ng gera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e2romo View Post
    If we don’t learn from history then we're bound to repeat it. Doon sa China thread may mga naghahamon ng gera. Ang hindi nila alam pag nasakop pilipinas yung mga talunan paglalaruan ng occupying forces. Daming snuff film sa gera ng Croatia, tinutusok ng kutsilyo yung lalamunan, tapos lalaslasin paikot hanggang maputol ulo. Sa Mindanao, ganyan rin ginagawa ng mga rebeldeng moro sa mga sundalo natin.

    Grabe brutality sa gera, people become animals. Kahit nung nanalo America sa Iraq, kita nyo itsura ng prisoners of war nila.

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    Are we going to repeat it? Meaning we're going to invade other country and massacre their population like we did during WWII?

    Who are you referring to as "we"? As far as I can remember we are the victims during those times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaNker View Post
    Are we going to repeat it? Meaning we're going to invade other country and massacre their population like we did during WWII?

    Who are you referring to as "we"? As far as I can remember we are the victims during those times.
    Hahaha, if you don't get the essence of that" learning from history" quote then I will not argue with you.

    Sent from the Twilight Zone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by e2romo View Post
    Hahaha, if you don't get the essence of that" learning from history" quote then I will not argue with you.

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    Don't bother, I was merely pointing the disconnect of your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Tanungin niyo lang mga bata what they think of Japan. Mas positive ang tingin nila dahil sa anime at video games...
    mga bata lang ba? dito lang sa tsikot ilan ang naka Japanese cars kasama na ako

    sabi nga time will heal everything but it can never erase the atrocities of war ;)

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