Does school really matter?

[Yatta]

from what i remember, top 240, cut up into different slices or regions of the country...

that would depend on the fine print in the contract they supposedly agreed to, when they signed up.

and i am not sure, if exclusively government service is the required requirement.

AFAIK its not in the contract that they work for the government. Whats in the contract though is that they pursue a STEM college course/career. Though some never do. I remember there was a bit of hubbub a few years ago when DOST, DepEd and PSHS threatened to collect on those who never honored the contract to pursue a STEM course. I also think they are not allowed to leave the country without a clearance from DOST, DFA and BI like other DOST scholars.

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[Egan101]

AFAIK its not in the contract that they work for the government. Whats in the contract though is that they pursue a STEM college course/career. Though some never do. I remember there was a bit of hubbub a few years ago when DOST, DepEd and PSHS threatened to collect on those who never honored the contract to pursue a STEM course. I also think they are not allowed to leave the country without a clearance from DOST, DFA and BI like other DOST scholars.

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Yep, no mandatory government service but you have to pursue a degree in the sciences or engineering. However, they have no follow-up efforts to check if the student did finish the initial course they applied in college. A lot of Pisay grads enroll in science courses but opted to shift to non-science courses they are inclined to.

Yes, there was a fiasco of sorts before that has Pisay sent names of graduates to immigration but PSHS had to retract that move. PSHS policies are not similar to the policies enforced by the DOST scholarship for college students. DOST college scholars are mandated to stay an equal amount of years in the country for each year they spent in college. DOST college scholars are not required to do render mandatory government service.

[Jun aka Pekto]

yes,
some students get high grades because they laboriously rake thru the books.
while the great majority of us... we get very little sleep, pouring into our reading material, only to barely pass...
a few, the gifted ones, we do not see them studying at all, and they get the highest grades...
the exceptions are there, but they're clearly the very minority.

and when these institutions are talked about, positively or negatively, the public seems to think that the single-digit minority represents the majority of the population.

I saw students like them. All they did were hang out or play billiards while I spent every day doing a 100-page paper (among other reports) on sump pumps with margins and text painstakingly done by hand, using technical pens and complete with numerous illustrations like the ones below. I barely finished in time and I was completely frazzled while those students handed in theirs like it was yesterday's homework. They made it look so easy while I struggled. I wondered how they did it. I learned later on there were scammers who made all sorts of reports that students bought for a price.

[dr. d]

The Diliman Campus is the biggest and has 240 slots open each year but they are not mandated to fill up those 240. The satellite campuses each take in 90 students each year but mostly they take in two thirds of that number.

Graduates are mandated to take pure science or applied science courses in college. No required government service is expected from the graduates. Only the military academies have the mandatory government service requirement after graduation.

is medicine an acceptable course to pursue?

[dr. d]

I saw students like them. All they did were hang out or play billiards while I spent every day doing a 100-page paper (among other reports) on sump pumps with margins and text painstakingly done by hand, using technical pens and complete with numerous illustrations like the ones below. I barely finished in time and I was completely frazzled while those students handed in theirs like it was yesterday's homework. They made it look so easy while I struggled. I wondered how they did it. I learned later on there were scammers who made all sorts of reports that students bought for a price.

i had similar experience. literature class.
they would hand in, good write-ups. better than mine, at least.
what i didn't know, is that "cliff's notes" was available in some stores.

[Egan101]

is medicine an acceptable course to pursue?

Biology, Chemistry, and Molecular Biology are all pure science courses. These are the usual pre-med courses. Yes, it is acceptable. It used to be not recommended but a lot still pursued medicine. It is common for some of the Pisay grads to get into the UP INTARMED program.

I have a bunch of classmates who are medical doctors. Jut's wife, another alumna, is also a doctor.

[Yatta]

is medicine an acceptable course to pursue?

yes since it and the pre-Med bachelor course is still science-based.

[CVT]

Biology, Chemistry, and Molecular Biology are all pure science courses. These are the usual pre-med courses. Yes, it is acceptable. It used to be not recommended but a lot still pursued medicine. It is common for some of the Pisay grads to get into the UP INTARMED program.

I have a bunch of classmates who are medical doctors. Jut's wife, another alumna, is also a doctor.

Some of the graduates of Manila Science HS [STEM] are now taking Economics and Accounting courses...

[Egan101]

Some of the graduates of Manila Science HS [STEM] are now taking Economics and Accounting courses...

The PSHS system is different from the other science high schools as they are under DOST and not under DepEd. I don't know if the policies of PSHS are similar to the other local science high schools.

However, they cannot control those graduates who opted to shift courses a year after enrolling in a science course. Some Pisay grads find themselves in BA, Economics, Philosophy, or any other course which appeal more to them.

[Lew_Alcindor]

Dont get me wrong PSHS grads pero pagdating ba sa college eh bored/sawa na kayo mag-aral?

Nung college ako (90s), some PSHS grads in our campus petiks lang. Hindi siguro dahil alam na alam na nila ang lessons kasi extended sila beyond 4 or 5 years bago maka graduate.

Nung nag entrance exam ako jan (2nd exam after the qualifying sa probinsya), as in first time ko nabasa yung mga science words dun sa exam papers hahahaha. Naisip ko nga kung itinuturo ba talag sa elemnetary yung mga yun hahaha. I was waitlisted then informed of admission by late July. Syempre may mga tropa na ko sa high school kaya stay put sa probinsya.

Ngayon damatands na ko, I had a chance to visit PSHS sa Davao City as part of an assessment proect team. TBH, ang babait ng mga students dun. They greeted us pag nakasalubong mo sa corridors. Compared sa Main Campus, parang anino lang daw yung project team nung bumisita sila dun hehehe

[CVT]

Dont get me wrong PSHS grads pero pagdating ba sa college eh bored/sawa na kayo mag-aral?

Nung college ako (90s), some PSHS grads in our campus petiks lang. Hindi siguro dahil alam na alam na nila ang lessons kasi extended sila beyond 4 or 5 years bago maka graduate.

Nung nag entrance exam ako jan (2nd exam after the qualifying sa probinsya), as in first time ko nabasa yung mga science words dun sa exam papers hahahaha. Naisip ko nga kung itinuturo ba talag sa elemnetary yung mga yun hahaha. I was waitlisted then informed of admission by late July. Syempre may mga tropa na ko sa high school kaya stay put sa probinsya.

Ngayon damatands na ko, I had a chance to visit PSHS sa Davao City as part of an assessment proect team. TBH, ang babait ng mga students dun. They greeted us pag nakasalubong mo sa corridors. Compared sa Main Campus, parang anino lang daw yung project team nung bumisita sila dun hehehe

Hindi rin siguro,- kahit na sa eskwela ng HS bro, nasa bata rin, basta't seseryosohin ang pag-aaral...

Mayroon nga akong tropa, graduate ng GS sa Mababang Paaralan ng Asinan, at ng HS sa LaHuerta,- pagdating sa kolehiyo, tinalo ang mga graduates ng HS ng DBMak, DBManda, LSGH, DLSZ, Grace, Poveda, PSHS, MSHS, ADM, UPIS na kaklase niya...

Magaling sa Math, Trigo at Physics ang mokong e,- talo lahat sila...

Hindi lang sa Ernie's...

[Yatta]

Dont get me wrong PSHS grads pero pagdating ba sa college eh bored/sawa na kayo mag-aral?

Nung college ako (90s), some PSHS grads in our campus petiks lang. Hindi siguro dahil alam na alam na nila ang lessons kasi extended sila beyond 4 or 5 years bago maka graduate.

Nung nag entrance exam ako jan (2nd exam after the qualifying sa probinsya), as in first time ko nabasa yung mga science words dun sa exam papers hahahaha. Naisip ko nga kung itinuturo ba talag sa elemnetary yung mga yun hahaha. I was waitlisted then informed of admission by late July. Syempre may mga tropa na ko sa high school kaya stay put sa probinsya.

Ngayon damatands na ko, I had a chance to visit PSHS sa Davao City as part of an assessment proect team. TBH, ang babait ng mga students dun. They greeted us pag nakasalubong mo sa corridors. Compared sa Main Campus, parang anino lang daw yung project team nung bumisita sila dun hehehe

Hindi siguro representative pero may 2 akong officemate na galing ng Pisay. I say galing because while yung isa eh graduate, yung isa naman na-kick out. They are both competitive, gusto sila lagi bida. Even amongst themselves parang nag-kokompetensya sila. Kaya kami iniiwasan namin. Yung na-kick out, it turns out nagnakaw siya ng exam paper in an effort to be the top of his class.

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[jut703]

Dont get me wrong PSHS grads pero pagdating ba sa college eh bored/sawa na kayo mag-aral?

Nung college ako (90s), some PSHS grads in our campus petiks lang. Hindi siguro dahil alam na alam na nila ang lessons kasi extended sila beyond 4 or 5 years bago maka graduate.

It's not uncommon for Pisay grads to be delayed in college. It's not for the lack of brain power, but rather because they didn't develop the correct study habits. So when the curriculum caught up, their stock knowledge couldn't power them through.

This is especially true for UP where the environment is too familiar and similar to PSHS - people become lax.

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[Egan101]

It's not uncommon for Pisay grads to be delayed in college. It's not for the lack of brain power, but rather because they didn't develop the correct study habits. So when the curriculum caught up, their stock knowledge couldn't power them through.

This is especially true for UP where the environment is too familiar and similar to PSHS - people become lax.

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Very true, bro! Dami ko kakilala na naging lax sa first and second years tapos late na yung realization nila.

One of my best friends from Pisay is one sharp-minded person. He has bad study habits and he tend to just take things slow. He does not care about grades also. When we went to college, he got very high marks in entrance exams. He was a DOST scholar and an ADMU merit scholar (full ride). Sadly, he went along with some folks who don’t care about school (rich kids) and he lost all his scholarships within his freshman year by not attending class.



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[dr. d]

burn-out.
post-traumatic stress disorder, autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and several others, are being recognized only relatively recently.

in the olden days, these kids would have been described as "tamad", "magulo", etc.

[CVT]

Very true, bro! Dami ko kakilala na naging lax sa first and second years tapos late na yung realization nila.

One of my best friends from Pisay is one sharp-minded person. He has bad study habits and he tend to just take things slow. He does not care about grades also. When we went to college, he got very high marks in entrance exams. He was a DOST scholar and an ADMU merit scholar (full ride). Sadly, he went along with some folks who don’t care about school (rich kids) and he lost all his scholarships within his freshman year by not attending class.

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It's not uncommon for Pisay grads to be delayed in college. It's not for the lack of brain power, but rather because they didn't develop the correct study habits. So when the curriculum caught up, their stock knowledge couldn't power them through.

This is especially true for UP where the environment is too familiar and similar to PSHS - people become lax.

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burn-out.
post-traumatic stress disorder, autism, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and several others, are being recognized only relatively recently.

in the olden days, these kids would have been described as "tamad", "magulo", etc.

Generally, - the first 2 years were the screening days in the university...

In our college (engineering),- that's what the faculty fondly coined as "Separating the Men/(Women) from the Boys/(Girls)"...

Second term,- half of the class were gone- have become irregulars or have shifted to another course ; Third term,- a quarter of the original class were left....

Scary but at the same time Rewarding... Only the "Consistents" and the "Persistents" survive...

I agree that education is not a race,- but we can all look back with pride on those -scarring- days....

Yeah! A toast to all "The Consistent and The Persistent Men and Women"....

[Gumusut_Amige]

Generally, - the first 2 years were the screening days in the university...

In our college (engineering),- that's what the faculty fondly coined as "Separating the Men/(Women) from the Boys/(Girls)"...

Second term,- half of the class were gone- have become irregulars or have shifted to another course ; Third term,- a quarter of the original class were left....

Scary but at the same time Rewarding... Only the "Consistents" and the "Persistents" survive...

I agree that education is not a race,- but we can all look back with pride on those -scarring- days....

Yeah! A toast to all "The Consistent and The Persistent Men and Women"....

bro CVT, parang hindi ako pasok sa sinabi mong category hehehe.

[CVT]

bro CVT, parang hindi ako pasok sa sinabi mong category hehehe.

Bro,- tayo ang kasama roon sa mga Persistents,- laban kung laban,- malalakas ang mga loob - kahit tagilid,- tuloy pa rin!!!

At kung madapa man,- tayo kaagad at bawi!

Yeah!

[dr. d]

Bro,- tayo ang kasama roon sa mga Persistents,- laban kung laban,- malalakas ang mga loob - kahit tagilid,- tuloy pa rin!!!

At kung madapa man,- tayo kaagad at bawi!

Yeah!

persistent... or no choice...?

nag-sunog ng tulay..
no way but forward..
sunog, mga kapatid!
errr... sugod pala.. sugod.
heh heh.

i've seen students hang on to their un-choice of kurso... come out alive and make good in that industry. perhaps they were not really persistent, but rather, initially undecided.
i have also seen persistents finish the race... only to take another course and practice well there afterward.
some of my classmates were persistents.. to the end.. to make the parents happy.. they are now happy in other fields of endeavor.

[CVT]

persistent... or no choice...?

nag-sunog ng tulay..
no way but forward..
sunog, mga kapatid!
errr... sugod pala.. sugod.
heh heh.

i've seen students hang on to their un-choice of kurso... come out alive and make good in that industry. perhaps they were not really persistent, but rather, initially undecided.
i have also seen persistents finish the race... only to take another course and practice well there afterward.
some of my classmates were persistents.. to the end.. to make the parents happy.. they are now happy in other fields of endeavor.

Hungry doc,- literally and figuratively....

Wala kaming ganyang options na pinapasaya lang ang magulang sa gusto nila...

Gutom na kami noon,- At kung hindi namin ilalaban at tatapusin, mas lalong magugutom kami!