Does school really matter?

[macsd]

There's only 2 university in this country, UST and OTHERS TS, you make your choice.

Couple of times i had a hard time promoting my pinoy engineers as HR normally would question their school of origin. If their not in the top 300 universities listed in the world, start to prepare my rebuttal.

[e2romo]

A good University is a like a gold card that almost guarantee you easy job entry after graduation. After your first job what kind of worker you are is what determines where you go next. I'd pick a strongly driven individual over a good University anytime of the day. Grit is what I look for, because I know that person will deliver.

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[Rob O. Bravo]

It really matters, education plays a very important role in our life, that which transforms a person to live a better life and even in a social well being. The more you have knowledge the more you grow.

[jut703]

A good University is a like a gold card that almost guarantee you easy job entry after graduation. After your first job what kind of worker you are is what determines where you go next. I'd pick a strongly driven individual over a good University anytime of the day. Grit is what I look for, because I know that person will deliver.

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Between a strongly driven individual from a so-so school and a strongly driven individual from a good university, sinong pipiliin mo?

Ang daya naman ng comparison kasi ng comparison. Pag galing magandang university, wala nang grit? Di na masipag?



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[e2romo]

Between a strongly driven individual from a so-so school and a strongly driven individual from a good university, sinong pipiliin mo?

Ang daya naman ng comparison kasi ng comparison. Pag galing magandang university, wala nang grit? Di na masipag?



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I didn't say that, kahit ordinaryong unibersidad or top University basta character niya ay di sumusuko sa challenge sa work pasado sa akin.

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[jick.cejoco]

It is not where you came from but where you are going. It is in a person's character and experience on the job. You can have a lazy genius or a rude holder of a PhD, he still won't make a good employee nor a good manager. Good customer relations is not learned at school.


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[jut703]

Noone ever said that it ends at graduating from a good university, but it's a good start.

Ang akin lang, getting in a good college means that you made the most of your grade school and high school education. UP, Ateneo, and La Salle have much harder entrance tests than the other universities. Top universities abroad are even more difficult to get into.

Graduating from a top university means that you survived the school's rigorous curriculum (they wouldn't be granted Center of Excellence status if their curriculum was easy). This is a display of your intelligence, hard work, or both.

Chances are, if you did well in your formative years, you can do well in the workplace.

Of course, all bets are off when it comes to business - school teaches us to be good employees, but not much is taught on how to be good entrepreneurs. For that, experience, determination, and innate acumen is still the key.

That said, few people go straight into business after graduation. Even my friends who could've simply entered their big family businesses after college have opted to gain corporate experience first, and coming from a good school helps getting a good job.

Sure, after your first job, the school advantage dwindles, but imagine how many years of climbing up the ladder you save because you were able to start a bit higher than the rest.


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[Yatta]

It is not where you came from but where you are going. It is in a person's character and experience on the job. You can have a lazy genius or a rude holder of a PhD, he still won't make a good employee nor a good manager. Good customer relations is not learned at school.


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Wasted asset kung gagawin mong CSR lang ang PhD holder. At ang situation ni TS eh nagsisimula pa lang, kailangan mabigyan muna siya ng big break. Sa dami ng unemployed sa Pinas siyempre pipiliin ng HR yung may pinakamagandang credentials sa papel, hindi yung magandang bokadura lang ng applicant.

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[jick.cejoco]

It is a good start but that's not all of it. The sum of all the parts equals the whole. Attitude still plays a big part.


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[jut703]

It is a good start but that's not all of it. The sum of all the parts equals the whole. Attitude still plays a big part.


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Kaya nga..attitude plays a big part, but so does education.

2 applicants, both fresh grads, both with equally good attitudes, yung isa galing good school yung isa hindi. Don't tell me na sa mata ng kumpanya pareho lang yan.


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[vvti2.0]

Ito isa sa magandang point na hindi most of the time mag work yung magandang school or pahirapan pumasa na school, I have a brother in law na nasa Canada, dun wala nirerecognize na school abroad, kung gusto mo maging professional dun, aral ka ulit at ipapa evaluate mo ang transcript mo kung ilang subjects/units pa aaralin mo. He came from a university na wala sa top 10 sa atin and wala nga rin dun sa recognized ng Singapore pero mechanical engr. sya. Sa evaluation mas marami yung subjects na pinakuha sa taga Mapua compared sa kanya kasi masyado mababa yung grades nung taga Mapua, not that mahina sa klase yun kundi dahil nga sa taas ng standard sa Mapua noon.

Anyway ngayun ay prof. engr. na sya doon at may sarili silang tinayo na engineering firm, hawak nya ang heating ventilation and air conditioning..

Bottomline is, kahit san ka pa mangaling basta pag igihan mo pag-aaral mo, may chance ka sa laban, pero kung meron ka rin namang means para sa known schools, dun ka na, at pag-igihan mo pa rin pag-aaral.

[jick.cejoco]

Assuming the school is top notch, assuming the instructors/professors are top notch, assuming they use the best books and references, there is still the big factor: the student. Having been an educator for over twenty years, I can say that even if the instructor turns green, blue or yellow, if the student does not want to learn or can apply what he went to school for it just another exercise of futility.


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[jick.cejoco]

Even the best apple tree in the best climate on the best farm does not have all the best fruits at all times. There are so many variables.


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[jut703]

I have a brother in law na nasa Canada,

Once you go abroad, the school advantage dwindles.

Locally though, it still makes a big difference in jumpstarting your career.


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[jut703]

Assuming the school is top notch, assuming the instructors/professors are top notch, assuming they use the best books and references, there is still the big factor: the student. Having been an educator for over twenty years, I can say that even if the instructor turns green, blue or yellow, if the student does not want to learn or can apply what he went to school for it just another exercise of futility.


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Yes, but in this discussion, the student is the SAME.

Hindi naman yan student A na masipag goes to crap school vs student B na tamad goes to good school.

The student is the same. Assume nalang natin na masipag siya and may angking galing naman. Are you telling me that his chances of a good career start is the same whether he goes to a good school or not?


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[vinj]

You can lose your job, your business can fall, but your education stays with you.
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One of the words my Dad told me, that has stuck with me through the years.

And yes, those who do well in spite of poor or no educational backgrounds are the exception indeed.

[jick.cejoco]

Depending on the prospective employer, depending on the applicant, opportunity and availability of a job position matters.
OT include the mini skirt factor hehehe


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[EQAddict]

I hire lots of people. Trust me, for management track jobs, product or project associates, we are very very biased towards ateneo, la salle and UP. Am not saying we wont hire outside. Because we do. But 19 out of 20 times we/I hire from those top three schools. My work is hard enough and the competition is tough enough that i only want good soldiers with me. On average ( i know there are exceptions) their communication skills, presentation skills, use of powerpoint and excel, analytical and self starter skills are better than others. You have to be confident, well prepared and extremely good in communication (business English) to present to SVPs and partners. And yes this is for entry permanent positions. Afterwards, for higher positions i look for accomplishments and experience and less at the school.

But its a chicken and egg issue. We only pirate from other big companies who probably have the same standards we do for entry positions.

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[tearsday]

Mapua means PRESSURE


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[yebo]

TS, huwag ka na lang magaral. di ka naman pala maha-hire kahit sa mapua ka mag-enroll hahahaha!

Ipunin mo na lang yang ibibigay na tuition at allowance mo start ka na lang ng talyer, tutal mahilig ka naman sa kotse. 1st year tuition bili ka tools. 2nd year bili ka ng car lift. 3rd year bili ka ng dyno. 4th year, tangna huwag ka na humingi baka mas malaki pa kita mo sa tatay mo!