Skyactive i-Stop engined cars - ALTERNATIVE BATTERIES.

[dr. d]

Hehehe...Mazda's iStop, unlike other systems, doesn't use the starter to restart the engine. The higher spec'd batt is there for loads other than recranking.
I've been using trickle chargers on regular cars w/ regular batts, doc. Though they've proven to double the average Motolite life, I still lost faith in that batt brand. Without the charger, they seem to last, kinda precisely, as long as their warranty....it's amazing.[emoji13]

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ah!
TIL!
thank you.
kinda like push-starting of olde.

so now, i'm curious...
what's with the seemingly-lousy battery?
or, is it possible, tinipid nila yung alternator natin?
heh heh.

[travajante]

I did some Googling earlier and came upon a post from a guy whose iStop-equipped Mazda, at the date of his posting, has just reached 10,000 km. The app on his phone says that the iStop system, after driving 10,000km, saved him 24km worth of gas. lol... That's like 0.24% fuel savings. So on average, for every 50L of fuel you've used up, you're saving 125ml or about P6.25.

How can you recover enough money to replace the battery every so and so months?

I know part of the idea behind this feature was to go green... That, I am aware of. But come on.... all that inconvenience and expense to save an almost negligible amount of fuel?

Granted, YMWV depending on who's driving. Well, I just thought it was funny.

Here it is: How to disable i-stop PERMANENTLY in 1 seconds | 24 to 216 Mazda 3 Forum and Mazdaspeed 3 Forums

When I was shopping 3s back in '14, I weighed having the 2.0 against the hobo 1.5 I got & still have. iStop turned on turned me off. The EFB/AGM need tipped me over. The old school low tech dino w/in was just way too dominant.[emoji13]


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[travajante]

ah!
TIL!
thank you.
kinda like push-starting of olde.

so now, i'm curious...
what's with the seemingly-lousy battery?
or, is it possible, tinipid nila yung alternator natin?
heh heh.

The Motolite EFB was priced like those it failed to be, doc. What owners are complaining is about something they long knew upon getting the iStop equipped...thrice pricier battery that won't last twice longer than regular flooded ones on non-iStop cars.
That's why you're hearing a voice in the wilderness yelling CTEK, CTEK, CTEK CT5 Start/Stop...I just dunno who's listening.[emoji13]

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[dr. d]

The Motolite EFB was priced like those it failed to be, doc. What owners are complaining is about something they long knew upon getting the iStop equipped...thrice pricier battery that won't last twice longer than regular flooded ones on non-iStop cars.
That's why you're hearing a voice in the wilderness yelling CTEK, CTEK, CTEK CT5 Start/Stop...I just dunno who's listening.[emoji13]

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perhaps if someone were to come up with a fabrication or gadget, that would make it very easy for the owner to hook the ctek to the battery, without even opening the hood.
something like an oversized earphone jack in the car, whereupon motorista simply jacks in the plug and walks away.

my relative is a proponent of frequent trickle charging, and he says it really extends the life of his battery. but i personally found the procedure, too hassle.

[travajante]

perhaps if someone were to come up with a fabrication or gadget, that would make it very easy for the owner to hook the ctek to the battery, without even opening the hood.
something like an oversized earphone jack in the car, whereupon motorista simply jacks in the plug and walks away.

my relative is a proponent of frequent trickle charging, and he says it really extends the life of his battery. but i personally found the procedure, too hassle.

Long been figured by em makers, doc. CTEK calls em Comfort Connect. You can run the plug out the grille or the cowl vent...whichever feasible, doc. The 2nd pic is for the older Deltran Battery Tender. They're similar.

[ecport]

You can permanently turn it off, sir. Just flip the bonnet latch switch to fool the system into thinking 'open'. The trick is reversible.[emoji4]


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I have seen that workaround, but that affects the car's alarm system which won't engage.

[ecport]

Optima YellowTop is another Johnson Controls brand. A very good AGM, a superior option.[emoji106] Hope you can share its size equivalent to Q85s, sir. Try extending its service life even further w/ a CTek...for the archives.
Thanks for sharing, sir.[emoji106]

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It's a Yellow Top D35. I sourced it from Absolute Autworks, at Banawe, 24 months warranty. I certainly hope it lasts longer.

[travajante]

I have seen that workaround, but that affects the car's alarm system which won't engage.

A simple way is to keep the AC thermostat at the lowest temp setting. iStop won't likely launch.

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[Archerfish]

A simple way is to keep the AC thermostat at the lowest temp setting. iStop won't likely launch.

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Yes, I did this and it works at 18°C.

[istan]

Fc suffers tho. I mean even with cars without i-stop

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[travajante]

It's a Yellow Top D35. I sourced it from Absolute Autworks, at Banawe, 24 months warranty. I certainly hope it lasts longer.

It should...& if you invest in a CTEK...It really will.[emoji4]

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[togmolodon]

If there is a lesson here, don't buy cars with i-Stop! Not worth the hassle. I will never buy a car with this feature again, as long as I drive in Manila. Batteries are expensive and do not last that long, and with our traffic, it's not practical. You don't want your car starting and restarting in bumper to bumper traffic. I wish I could permanently turn it off.

In my experience, I need not turn off i-Stop because this shortened battery life even more. Whenever I make a full stop e.g., stop light or intersection, I don't step on the break too hard so as not to trigger i-Stop. When stuck in traffic, I just turn the wheel and wait for the i-Stop green light indicator to go away, put it in neutral, and pull the hand break, this way I can relax because I need not step on the break the whole time.

YMMV.

[travajante]

In my experience, I need not turn off i-Stop because this shortened battery life even more. Whenever I make a full stop e.g., stop light or intersection, I don't step on the break too hard so as not to trigger i-Stop. When stuck in traffic, I just turn the wheel and wait for the i-Stop green light indicator to go away, put it in neutral, and pull the hand break, this way I can relax because I need not step on the break the whole time.

YMMV.

[emoji106]

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[uncle_sam]

Mga Bros,
Anyone replaced their CX5 with non-EFB battery like Amaron outside of the casa?
If so, did you require programming reset just like what they do in casa? Can an indie shop do that?

Thanks,
Uncle

[Lakwatsero]

Mga Bros,
Anyone replaced their CX5 with non-EFB battery like Amaron outside of the casa?
If so, did you require programming reset just like what they do in casa? Can an indie shop do that?

Thanks,
Uncle

I use Amaron. No need to reprogram, just initialize i-stop by running it until new batt is fully charged and i-stop indicator on HU lights up. Probably takes an hour or more. If you're lucky, there's no need to initialize. I-stop works fine.

A lot of CX5 owners have been using Amaron since it came out. Still lasts 3 years if you take care of it. I personally don't use i-stop so I don't see the need for EFB.

[uncle_sam]

I use Amaron. No need to reprogram, just initialize i-stop by running it until new batt is fully charged and i-stop indicator on HU lights up. Probably takes an hour or more. If you're lucky, there's no need to initialize. I-stop works fine.

A lot of CX5 owners have been using Amaron since it came out. Still lasts 3 years if you take care of it. I personally don't use i-stop so I don't see the need for EFB.

So after installing Amaron, to initialise means do you leave it to idle for an hour? Or drive it around for an hour until i-Stop lights in HU?

[Lakwatsero]

So after installing Amaron, to initialise means do you leave it to idle for an hour? Or drive it around for an hour until i-Stop lights in HU?

Better to drive it around for an hour or until i-stop lights up.

[travajante]

Mga Bros,
Anyone replaced their CX5 with non-EFB battery like Amaron outside of the casa?
If so, did you require programming reset just like what they do in casa? Can an indie shop do that?

Thanks,
Uncle

Forcing a Regular Flooded Batt in a Start/Stop vehicle is, of course, an owner's call. Many have done so w/ luck. Just pair it w/ a trusty trickle charger & beware of possible consequences.
Consequences of fitting the wrong battery for start-stop systems

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[yapoy86]

Removed battery due to engine cleaning.. no i-stop errors.. but you need to reset the sunroof and driver window..

Also be sure to remove the current sensor attached at the negative terminal when installing new battery. Attach the negative terminal then the current sensor

[Archerfish]

Removed battery due to engine cleaning.. no i-stop errors.. but you need to reset the sunroof and driver window..

Also be sure to remove the current sensor attached at the negative terminal when installing new battery. Attach the negative terminal then the current sensor

I have to admit that I didn't read the Owner's Manual so I have to ask you this, where's the current sensor? I don't remember seeing the sensor the last time I removed the negative terminal. I must have seen it but didn't recognize it. Kindly post a picture.