New Isuzu Alterra Urban Cruiser

[Uncle Nick]

Guys,

In my personal observation on the 3rd Start switch. Never I notice the 3rd Start switch starts from the 3rd Gear. Even trying to observe from full stop to run. I can still feel the transmission changes in a normal shifts until 3rd Gear only. But in normal condition, when you speed up about 90Kph push that button and it will shift down to one notch.
The same reaction from the A/T knob shifting from D to 3.

That is why I'm still wondering whats the real purpose, co'z it seems it will all falls down to A/T knob shifting from D to 3.

What do you think?

By the way Appreciate the info. and store recommendation I'll try them out.
It's a good thing they have it now in Paranaque.

Regards,
Focus

I believe your transmission is probably working just fine. You are probably testing the 3rd start feature on pavement where there is neither slipping nor very poor traction.

Try it on very slippery conditions where there is very (extreme) poor traction, and you will find that it will start in low, as per normal, but immediately upshift to give you a 3rd gear start capability, with minimal wheelspin.

If you use the shift knob to select 3rd gear under these same slippery conditions, you will find that the transmission will not upshift right away but will continue to spin the wheels, through all the gears up until 3rd.

Post again if I did not explain to your satisfaction. I'm retired, I have the time.

On another matter;

By the way, I may have not understood correctly your original post. My apologies, if I am wrong. I understood that you drove your vehicle on dry pavement with 4X4 engaged. This is a no-no!

On the Alterra, unlike full-time 4X4 systems, there is no front to rear differential action. This means that on pavement, the front axle has a tendency to "lock-up" with the rear axle since there is no slipping on the pavement. This is detrimental to tires, and could lead to difficulty in the 4X4 engagement and disengagement process. Since this process (engagement/disengagement) is electric on the Alterra, rather than via linkage, you would not be aware of the strain placed on the four wheel drive components.

Part-time 4X4 operation, such as is on the Alterra, especially since it has a limited slip rear differential, is just plain excellent for off-road and/or back roads applications.......but not designed for pavement driving, unless there is snow and/or ice (Or mud/flood) conditions.

If you were to always drive in a 100% straight line, you would not have any concern about "lock-up". But when you turn the vehicle, even slightly, or a wheel goes over a depression or bump in the road, the right wheel does not turn as much (or more) than the left wheel. Your differential takes care of this problem for you.

On a four wheel drive vehicle, the problem is even worse. a front wheel could travel more (or less) rotations than a rear wheel. Thus there is a need for a front to rear differential action such as found on full time four wheel drive systems.

But, don't run out to buy a full time system to replace your part-time system. If a full time system does not employ a limited slip differential, you could find yourself stuck with only one wheel spinning, and that would be the wheel with the least traction. So you would go nowhere.

For me, I very much prefer part-time four by four with limited slip on the rear axle, and freewheeling hubs on the front. It does not get much better than this except with a Kubota four wheel drive field tractor.

Ciao!

Uncle Nick.

[Focus]

Exactly you were right by the way. I did do it in a well pave road. Thanks for explaining these to me. Its all clear to me now.

On the 4X4 action. Yes, I notice the front wheels spin a little faster than the rear. Turns out to be dragging the rear wheel but unnoticeable or acceptable, if the design is that on its purpose.

Was it right to use the 4X4 on a wet asphalt road, like driving to NLEX and go run more than 100Kph? Lets say up to 130Kph?
Cause I did these 3 times. when a heavy poured rain and a slight rain on the highway. Thinking I won't slip co'z I'm on 4X4.
But on the back of my mind I have doubts on the mechanical strain that I may destroy it in the long run. Pls. enlighten me on these matter.

Correct me if I'm wrong. As my Uncle mechanic says the design of the transmission we have when engage with 4X4 there is a noticeable silent scratch noise. These are design for a rough terrain or off road. But the silent type when 4X4 engage is design for high speed on a pavement road, for the likes of Mit Montero as he say.

Uncle Nick, are you staying in the Phil. more than Canada? Cause I was wondering how will you enjoy your Alterra when your always away?

Thanks,
Focus

[ARB]

Sir the Alterra is different from the Fort and Montero Sport. The 4wd system of the alterra is part time and should only be used in low traction conditions but not in the highway even if it is raining. Not only the strain on your drivetrain but also the handling of the car is different, buti na lang d ka tinapon sa curves. The fort is a fulltime 4wd with center difflock, the MS is Super select, it has a feature that you can use 4wd open center diff which in both vehicles can be used in the highway. the system of the fort is the same as its big brother the LC. So I suggest that you dont try using your 4wd in pavement.

Modern transfer cases for 4wd has shift on the fly capability, meaning you can shift from 2H to 4H but not 4L even when the vehicle is running but speed below 60kmh, this might be the one your mechanic is referring to.

[Focus]

ARB,

Still fortunate naman, at hindi naman tinapon while using 4X4. And considering on a straight run only, I was thinking the front tire will still hold on the highway in case rear wheel slips, bringing me the thought of more safety.
And apart from the manual booklet instruction, shift on the fly capability were said that we can engage 4H shift below 100kph speed. Actually it prove me already. But just a thought I'm considering the experts say.
What I did tried is at 4H shift at 60 to 80kph and speed up until 120Kph only. But not that always. Normally I'm running 100kph to 110kph only, mahirap na mahuli over speeding. and seldom only on 4X4 when slippery road.

So what can you say? Never should I or Should I never? ;-)

Have a nice day.

Thanks,
Focus

[Uncle Nick]

ARB,

Still fortunate naman, at hindi naman tinapon while using 4X4. And considering on a straight run only, I was thinking the front tire will still hold on the highway in case rear wheel slips, bringing me the thought of more safety.
And apart from the manual booklet instruction, shift on the fly capability were said that we can engage 4H shift below 100kph speed. Actually it prove me already. But just a thought I'm considering the experts say.
What I did tried is at 4H shift at 60 to 80kph and speed up until 120Kph only. But not that always. Normally I'm running 100kph to 110kph only, mahirap na mahuli over speeding. and seldom only on 4X4 when slippery road.

So what can you say? Never should I or Should I never? ;-)

Have a nice day.

Thanks,
Focus

Your owner's manual is your "Bible". A lot of research, by experts who know your Alterra, has gone into it's preparation.

Please abide by it above all else.

Now my Alterra manual, page 4-15 puts in italics, and I quote;

"Do not use the 4-wheel drive for normal driving on dry road surfaces. It will cause unnecessary noise and wear, and poor fuel economy"

Also on page4-16, not in italics, and I quote;

"4H (High Range, 4-Wheel Drive)

Use this for normal driving on wet, icy or snow-covered roads.
This position provides greater traction than 2-wheel drive."

Now, I know that a "Bible" is subject to interpretation......So, here is my interpretation.

There is a price to pay in using four wheel drive such as reduced fuel economy, additional tire and components wear, and additional noise.

But don't forget "ying and yang".

There is an advantage in using four wheel drive in adverse or less than ideal traction conditions.

It could save your life!

You have the advantage of 4X4 traction, which you paid for, and is your to enjoy, so, if traction is poor due to wet, or other conditions, (you should feel this through the steering wheel and/or brakes) use it (four wheel drive). The price is very little, the advantage is very great.

I must mention, from personal experience. Use the 4X4 drivetrain at least once a month, a minimum of one or two kilometers to keep the seals and other components lubricated.

My manifestations may differ from that of others, but that is only due to the different ways that different persons interprete the same things.

In the final analysis, seek advice in these forums, there is a lot of very good stuff here, but you must draw your own conclusions.

I really appreciate your show of confidence in asking for my input on this matter.

Ciao!

Uncle Nick.

[ARB]

Sir I suggest that you dont. Use 4wd when there is low traction or if you want when the road is not paved/asphalt/cemented so that you can use it "safety feature". If you want to find out the bad effects of using your 4wd in high traction surfaces, engage 4wd and make a u turn, do this slowly and you will feel the binding of the drivetrain and the tires scrubbing. Now imagine that happening to your drivetrain and tires in the highway at high speeds.Have seen and fixed a lot of 4wd drivetrain failures due to misuse, so I suggest to better use 4wd for its purpose.

As for suggestion that you use your 4wd at least once a month, this is true to some 4wd's with front manual locking hubs, unlike the alterra that uses ADD or axle disconnect the front diff rotates even in 2wd so it lubricates it daily. Maybe engage 4wd and move the vehicle a meter just to exercise the solenoids that engage the ADD and the transfer case.

This is just my suggestion, how you use it is still up to you.

[Focus]

Guys,

Appreciate very much for all the advices. I did ask these things co'z I'm trying to know my vehicle much from all the features it has, considering the owner's manual (Bible) and getting second opinions.
Co'z my understanding might not be that perfect.

I agree with the U-turn 4X4 engage on a small curve. But on the bigger curve, I believe its a different story.
As a driver we tend to reduce speed on these kind of situation. But still if you ignore the slippery road and keep on going fast. Everybody will surely feel the force while turning, and when you reach that point even the ordinary lower center gravity cars on a slippery road will surely slip and cannot be controlled, that may lead to accidents.
But in the front wheel drive cars. Sudden heavy turns sometimes hold because of their back stabilizer bar (sway bar), tire traction and the back wheels are only trailing.

Still depends on the drivers behavior on how he handles his car. Defensive driving is still the best.

I strongly believe in your advices and will lead to greater deal for my mechanical parts. I'll put that in mind...

Once again, All the best to our ALTERRA.

Thanks,
Focus

[Uncle Nick]

Sir I suggest that you dont. Use 4wd when there is low traction or if you want when the road is not paved/asphalt/cemented so that you can use it "safety feature". If you want to find out the bad effects of using your 4wd in high traction surfaces, engage 4wd and make a u turn, do this slowly and you will feel the binding of the drivetrain and the tires scrubbing. Now imagine that happening to your drivetrain and tires in the highway at high speeds.Have seen and fixed a lot of 4wd drivetrain failures due to misuse, so I suggest to better use 4wd for its purpose.

As for suggestion that you use your 4wd at least once a month, this is true to some 4wd's with front manual locking hubs, unlike the alterra that uses ADD or axle disconnect the front diff rotates even in 2wd so it lubricates it daily. Maybe engage 4wd and move the vehicle a meter just to exercise the solenoids that engage the ADD and the transfer case.

This is just my suggestion, how you use it is still up to you.

I do not disagree with your comments!

In this matter, it comes down to the priorities of the individual.

My priorities are first and foremost safety of people.....vehicles can be replaced and/or repaired, but not very well the limbs of people.

In my view, the purpose of a vehicle is to serve, not to be served.

That is not to say that I do not treasure my Alterra. I really like it.

However, I would not hesitate to risk damage to it to avoid personal injury to my occupants or other individuals outside of my vehicle.

That is the way I see it, anyway.

I do thank you for expressing your thoughts. Comments such as we have exchanged is what makes these forums so valuable.

Ciao!

Uncle Nick.

[Focus]

Guys,

I understand ARB meant (Technical), but in line with Safety its Uncle Nick whose right.

That is why I buy ALTERRA believing it will give me and my family greater value on Technical aspect and much for the Safety.



Now can we change Topic? Hehehe


Just want to ask what grade and how much Liters of Gear lube require for the Front and Back Differential?

And Transmission Lube.

And What brand most favorable?



Guys, I can't thank you enough for sharing and telling this to me & people who read the forum I believe we learn it from the Guru's.

[iteqvgs turbo]

uncle nick, kindly hit me with all pros and cons of alterra. also, with actual diesel consumptions estimates based on experience for auto and manual. I have been hearing about 19 km per liter but I'm not surge about its truthfulness. i have a 2006 adventure and only replaced timing belt. no other replacement of parts. what is the common defect of alterra. i have been hearing that it has a defect with injection pump? I don't usually follow the 5 thousand km change oil. I just look at the oil cause i noticed that case oils are easily burned. i use shell black heavy duty for trucks T3. what about the parts is it not expensive? how about maintenance and case charges?

[Uncle Nick]

uncle nick, kindly hit me with all pros and cons of alterra. also, with actual diesel consumptions estimates based on experience for auto and manual. I have been hearing about 19 km per liter but I'm not surge about its truthfulness. i have a 2006 adventure and only replaced timing belt. no other replacement of parts. what is the common defect of alterra. i have been hearing that it has a defect with injection pump? I don't usually follow the 5 thousand km change oil. I just look at the oil cause i noticed that case oils are easily burned. i use shell black heavy duty for trucks T3. what about the parts is it not expensive? how about maintenance and case charges?

A great Roman philosopher once said; "Behold, if everyone pulled the same way, the world would soon topple over".

We all prefer different concepts. That which you espouse could be what I detest, and, vice-versa.

So, I cannot list the pros and cons of any particular vehicle. You, and many others would, and, should disagree.

In all fairness, I can only talk about that which I prefer and my reasons.

Among vehicles available to us in the Philippines, the Alterra is a "Ladyboy".

First of all, it is made in Thailand. Underneath, the entire chassis of frame, engine and drivetrain, undercarriage, brakes, etc. is all brawny Dmax truck. The Dmax body of the Alterra, on the other hand, has a cosmetically enhanced rear end which is (to some observers) sleek and ***y.

I like trucks! I prefer (old school) rear wheel drive, body on frame construction, rear leaf springs, front torsion arm suspension, part-time 4X4, limited slip differential, etc. etc..

The Alterra, specifically appeals to me because of the long wheelbase, extra roomy rear leg-room, the availability of the Italian (Ferrari) drivers' seating position, an over-the-top entertainment/navigation system, proven economy, durability, customer service, and so on.

Without trying, I often squeal the tires when starting off. Yeah, heads turn!

Fuel economy is very relative to the driver (big time) and vehicle set-up and maintenance. It is most difficult to make a just comparison. Morever, people tend to exagerate to suit their own purposes.

My advice to you; Make a list of your preferences, then look at vehicles which most closely meet your needs and wants.

I can, and will, address any specific issues you are unsure about.

Just ask.

Ciao!

Uncle Nick.

[SHIVAKER]

Sir Nick.. I just want to ask which dealer should I try to contact in regards to Trading in my Kia Sorento to an Urban Isuzu Alterra? Also my friends say the Alterra isnt as speedy as other UV in its class, because of its insufficient HP..what can you say about that?

[piptaz]

We bought a New 2011 Isuzu Alterra Urban Cruiser (Mineral Gray) we got it last march 28 and i can say that i'm all satisfied with it over-all.


looking forward to that 2012 Isuzu Alterra

[Uncle Nick]

Gosh......I'm from Canada, so I have very limited experience in The Philippines.

I do not think you will do well on a "trade-in" at a dealer......too many people will have their hands in your pockets.

It would seem that, in The Philippines, many sellers are successful by detailing their vehicle, making sure everything works, then parking it in a well travelled area with a "For Sale" sign.

Perhaps our mutual friends can jump in here and offer advice to you in this matter.



It is very true that the Alterra is "slower" than others for multiple reasons.......but, if you are looking for speed, why compromise?

All SUV or AUV offerings are not designed for speed.

Perhaps a previously owned BMW is what you should be looking at, but, that is only my opinion.

Go to the various dealers and take a road test in several different vehicles. Once you have a "short list" of perhaps your three favorites, start your research.

You will find a wealth of highly intellegent opinions right here on these forums.

As always, I will assist with my personal thoughts, if you ask.

Ciao!

Uncle Nick.

[merzkiesilud]

` Hello guys .. :] we just got our Urban cruiser last june 28 and its really the best .. :]

[merzkiesilud]

you will get these numbers with pure highway driving in due course.

Pure city driving is bad-bad-bad for good fuel consumption.

Did you cycle through the multi function display in your odometer cluster?

It will show you in real time if you have "bad fuel economy driving habits". But, don't take your eyes off the road too much, please.

Your alterra is still a baby, and, will need about 10,000 klms before you can begin to appreciate reasonable fuel returns.

At 1100 odo reading, i get 9.9 km/l combined city and highway.

All things considered, i think you are ok.

Here's a nick's trick for you;

ignore the fortuners and monteros showing off by passing you. Don't try to keep up. They have bigger wheels and go further with one revolution than you do.

Their big wheels have a price to pay. They flip over very easily because of their higher center of gravity.
Moreover, they will have to refuel while you drive on by.

Ciao!

Uncle nick.

` thanks uncle nick! .. :] youre the best .. :]

[merzkiesilud]

Sir Rademamj,
I agree, it seems to be true that most dealers dont have the Urban Cruiser in their showrooms. I checked 1 dealer and it is on order basis. I guess their marketing style is to get your money 1st before anything else. Mga sigurista ika nga!!!

` luckily we got the last STARY black here in Cagayan de oro city .. :] and yes, they told us that we should pay the down payment as soon as possible so we could have it .. :]

[PATSYS50]

To Alterra owner who could use extra power, install racechip pro for only PHP 25,000. The power difference is really noticeable and the fuel economy as well.

[bluperskin]

This just in!!! We already have the new 2013 Isuzu Alterra. Kung may tanong po text nyo ako. 09179726443.

[Audy]

There is a new 2013 cause Im now in the market for an alterra the diffrences are black leather interior even the wood accent is in shiny black, 2 din kenwood head unit with gps with 6 speakers the the front bumper is diffrent with the fog lamps housing is in black color the rear camera is at the left side and the reflector is now in the middle. no more 5.1 sorround.