how to overtake using Crosswind AT

[kamotecueman]

ganyan talaga guys mahirap i overtake ang diesel na walang turbo ganyan din ako pag ng drive ng xwind ng barakada ko dati napagkahirap i overtake

[Benzmizer]

Regular programming na nga

Not sure - but does turning off O/D really help when you're already mashing the gas pedal? Alam ko na kapag A/T models, flooring the gas would automatically mean the tranny shifting to the gear that gives the highest possible acceleration.

The O/D gear being "on" means that the OD is available to the tranny and CAN shift there when the extra power isn't needed.

Can anyone who has actually tried this at high speeds give any further insight on this?

When the O/D is "ON", the transmission can shift upto 4th gear. When "OFF", only until 3rd gear.

So assuming you are running at 4th (O/D on) and you would need the extra power to overtake, yes, depressing the gas pedal would activate the kickdown to shift to 3rd gear BUT chances are during overtaking, transmission MAY shift back to 4th gear prematurely --- making the overtake a risk. So to avoid this, best to turn "OFF" the O/D until such time you have confidently overtaken the tricycle, este, the vehicle in front of you then you turn the O/D back "ON" to shift to 4th gear.

[scharnhorst]

Actually, it's just the sluggish nature of the 4JA1-T that makes everything more complicated (read: slower).

otherwise, mash the pedal then turn the OD off once it downshifts para mag redline sa 3rd gear

BTW, follow the lines, they're actually very helpful, especially in our national highways.

OT ulit: We do pay for reliability, but it's not enough a reason to jack up the prices. If that were the case, then Mitsubishi would have the reason to price the Adventure (with its venerable 4D56) north of one million pesos. But they don't... which makes Isuzu's case not a very strong one.

[Horsepower]

*willlvill, What happened? I thought you're buying a Starex CRDI? That one doesn't have overtaking power problems.

[nelany]

My experience with my XTO AT is when you are running at 90 - 100 kph at off mo yung OD lalo siyang bumabagal ang takbo pero mataas ang RPM. Lalo akong nabibitin umovertake. Normally ang gawa ko ay floor down yung pedal para mag 3rd gear tapos ay largahan yung gas para bumaba yung RPM then apak uli yung gas para mag shift siya sa 4th gear.
Nakakatakot talagang umovertake using yung crosswind lalo na kung salubungan yung daan. Chances ay mabibitin ka pag hindi mo kabisado yung sasakyan mo.

[butirog]

*willvill

yeah, This is a nice question. I too am having problems with regard to overtaking with the an AT vehicle.

I guess Crosswinds being so slow is a bit too much. Have someone driven a REVO or and ADVENTURE with a Automatic Transmission?

I bet they all will have the same results, with regard to the lag compared to their Manual Transmission versions.

But Thanks everyone withy your inputs will have to keep practicing pa. hehe.

[roberto_minosa]

My experience with my XTO AT is when you are running at 90 - 100 kph at off mo yung OD lalo siyang bumabagal ang takbo pero mataas ang RPM. Lalo akong nabibitin umovertake. Normally ang gawa ko ay floor down yung pedal para mag 3rd gear tapos ay largahan yung gas para bumaba yung RPM then apak uli yung gas para mag shift siya sa 4th gear.
Nakakatakot talagang umovertake using yung crosswind lalo na kung salubungan yung daan. Chances ay mabibitin ka pag hindi mo kabisado yung sasakyan mo.

^This is the most accurate description of the 3rd and 4th gear characteristics of the A/T Crosswind . Here's my own take on overtaking with a Crosswind XTRM A/T:

Step 1: Back off from the vehicle in front of you. Make some room for speeding up.
Step 2: Floor it! If you're doing about 80km/h *4th, let it shift down to 3rd. If you're going slower than 80km/h, just keep it at 3rd gear by turning the O/D off.
Step 3: Upon overtaking, Keep it at 3rd gear before reaching about 900rpms before the redline.
Step 4: While overtaking, let off the gas momentarily to let it shift to 4th. It actually makes the car go faster than what redlining does.
Step 5: Gradually floor the pedal again but don't let it downshift!
Step 6: Get back in your lane without flipping the car over.

There you go, all you need is enough space, good timing, and more patience than what I have! Make sure you have the checklist handy when you're overtaking...joke! Be safe and good luck!

[p_borj]

^This is the most accurate description of the 3rd and 4th gear characteristics of the A/T Crosswind . Here's my own take on overtaking with a Crosswind XTRM A/T:

Step 1: Back off from the vehicle in front of you. Make some room for speeding up.
Step 2: Floor it! If you're doing about 80km/h *4th, let it shift down to 3rd. If you're going slower than 80km/h, just keep it at 3rd gear by turning the O/D off.
Step 3: Upon overtaking, Keep it at 3rd gear before reaching about 900rpms before the redline.
Step 4: While overtaking, let off the gas momentarily to let it shift to 4th. It actually makes the car go faster than what redlining does.
Step 5: Gradually floor the pedal again but don't let it downshift!
Step 6: Get back in your lane without flipping the car over.

There you go, all you need is enough space, good timing, and more patience than what I have! Make sure you have the checklist handy when you're overtaking...joke! Be safe and good luck!

tapos ako pala yung nasa harap hehe. ako kasi pag may umo-overtake binibilisan ko hehe, so nabibitin ang nasa likod ko pero ginagawa ko lang ito pag nakikita kong "show-off" lang yung nasa likod ko dahil hindi naman ako mabagal mag-drive. anyway, kadalasan hindi naman ako ino-overtake-an dahil ako ang madalas mang-overtake.

kudos to sir minosa, detalyado ang explanation niyo regarding overtaking using an A/T Crosswind.

[roberto_minosa]

^Thanks dude! It's really a pain to overtake with a Crosswind A/T, and every bit of technique helps.

[Benzmizer]

I guess Crosswinds being so slow is a bit too much. Have someone driven a REVO or and ADVENTURE with a Automatic Transmission?

I bet they all will have the same results, with regard to the lag compared to their Manual Transmission versions.

You cannot directly compare the A/T variants of the Revo and Adventure to the Crosswind since they (Revo/Adventure) are only available in GASOLINE variants. Expected na mas responsive sa overtaking yung A/T variants nila.

[butirog]

Thats only...
Well if thats the case i lost the bet Ü

I have tried the steps just earlier. Disabling the O/D, tas nung halos tapat ko na ung vehicle that i'm trying to overtake i tried enabling the O/D back i had a sudden burst of speed. so somehow success. i tried overtaking with the O/D off yes it made the RPM kinda reach around 3k but medyo di pa din kaya.

*roberto_minoza
thanks for the added tips.
will try your step 3 to step 6 hehe paunti unti muna.

I tried this on edsa though, i cant risk it pa sa two lane on a two way traffic. I would have to make sure of it bago ko gawin. Medyo bago pa lang ako sa automatic na diesel kc eh.

[willvill]

*willlvill, What happened? I thought you're buying a Starex CRDI? That one doesn't have overtaking power problems.

Biglaan. My brother, who went to New Zealand, left his XTO with me. But this XTO AT seems built like a tank and just sips fuel...he..he. I will hold on to it for awhile. The Starex would just be in the horizon for the meantime.

[ianmitsulancer]

You cannot directly compare the A/T variants of the Revo and Adventure to the Crosswind since they (Revo/Adventure) are only available in GASOLINE variants. Expected na mas responsive sa overtaking yung A/T variants nila.

Benzmizer is correct.

But if Isuzu really wanted something responsive, they could have offered the 2.2 Gasoline Engine that was installed in Chevrolet Tavera in India.

yep, i rode with in my friend's Crosswind XTRM A/T and yes, it was a challenge to overtake considering that he also floored it! I was starting to wonder if the gear ratios were properly configured... can anybody confirm this?

but despite of this, true enough, it promoted the as the First D.A.T. (Diesel AUV in Auto. Trans)- looking at the XTO brochure... a pioneer!

[roberto_minosa]

yep, i rode with in my friend's Crosswind XTRM A/T and yes, it was a challenge to overtake considering that he also floored it! I was starting to wonder if the gear ratios were properly configured... can anybody confirm this?

I think so. 2nd gear is way too short, 3rd gear is okay, 4th gear is too tall. It's like driving outside the powerband.

[CVT]

"Don't even think about it......"....

8601:matrix:

[butirog]

I think so. 2nd gear is way too short, 3rd gear is okay, 4th gear is too tall. It's like driving outside the powerband.

My thoughts exactly, while i was comparing it on how i drive a manual, i used to get my momentum from the 2nd gear then 3rd sandali lang ako then shift ko na agad sa fourth gear.

Is there a way to calibrate the transmission ratio?

When you come to think of it, is there a 5th gear on an Automatic transmission. lest say on a Crosswind A/T?

[roberto_minosa]

I believe Isuzu never released a 5-speed A/T on the Crosswind. Heck, they should've at least fixed the slow response of the transmission at 4th gear.

[butirog]

thanks sir robert.

Given na wala syang 5th gear,

Is there a way to calibrate the transmission ratio?

i think this can also help sa efficiency ng fuel consumption.

[roberto_minosa]

The shift pattern? I don't think so...but on ECU-equipped cars, the shift pattern can be altered using a flashing device hooked up to a computer. Dunno how to do it, though...

[ianmitsulancer]

thanks sir robert.

Given na wala syang 5th gear,

Is there a way to calibrate the transmission ratio?

i think this can also help sa efficiency ng fuel consumption.

sa tingin ko bro, its lke changing the transmission itself na... because the gear ratio equates to a cog inside the transmission that in one size per gear... and CVT will be a far fetched idea... unless anyone has updates again on this.

i dont think Isuzu even ventured into a 5 speed automatic transmission even for the Dmax/Alterra- unless there have been recent developments. However, considering that the Dmax has consumed about 80%-85% of its life cycle already (global launch was in 2002 in Bangkok), and the Crosswind has obviously been eked out with aesthetics, lets hope that the next generation that will evolve in 2010/2011 will offer the 5 or even a 6 speed A/T that can be passed on to the Crosswind.

geez! how time flies... seriously!