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[17Sphynx17]

We've been filling up our cars with Unioil since mas malinis daw and less smoke din. May isang owner na nag complain sa casa but they dismissed it as normal din daw, sa ngayon I switched back to Shell Vpower ulit tapos parang nabawasan yung clatter, will check again tomorrow morning.

I don't think fuel should be a problem since backwards compatible naman daw yun sa Euro II engines, or baka may effect din pala.

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Thanks for that. That is a bit concerning.

To note, our family also tops up with Unioil Euro 5 Diesel for our Euro 2 Montero (previous gen). In terms of being Euro 5, I think Unioil started that last year. They used to be Euro 4 while the rest were still at Euro 2, Seaoil being Euro 3 per my recollection.

The current Dmax would have the 1.9L Euro 4 engine, so should be only a slight difference with Euro 5 standards, but that remains to be seen if there is an effect in the long term operations of the engine like what you have experienced.

I couldn't find anything related to concerns in operating a Euro 2 engine with a Euro 5 fuel except for a quora reply, whether or not it is accurate remains to be verified with our experts here.

Can a Euro 2 diesel engine use Euro 5 diesel? - Quora

[yapoy86]

Hi guys, our unit will be turning 5 later this year, pansin ko maingay na siya pag start every morning or pag nahinti ng matagal, mechanic says knocking daw yun and normal daw for a Diesel. Dati wala naman siya, possible kaya na dahil sa fuel na ginagamit? Parang lata na may bato sa loob yung tunog.

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Thats normal sa diesel.. fuel knock yan. Try changing diesel fuel.

[yapoy86]

Thanks for that. That is a bit concerning.

To note, our family also tops up with Unioil Euro 5 Diesel for our Euro 2 Montero (previous gen). In terms of being Euro 5, I think Unioil started that last year. They used to be Euro 4 while the rest were still at Euro 2, Seaoil being Euro 3 per my recollection.

The current Dmax would have the 1.9L Euro 4 engine, so should be only a slight difference with Euro 5 standards, but that remains to be seen if there is an effect in the long term operations of the engine like what you have experienced.

I couldn't find anything related to concerns in operating a Euro 2 engine with a Euro 5 fuel except for a quora reply, whether or not it is accurate remains to be verified with our experts here.

Can a Euro 2 diesel engine use Euro 5 diesel? - Quora

May ganyan din ako experience sa unioil fuel.. same sa friend ko.. mahina hatak ng makina sa unioil.. pero no smoke at hindi mabaho exhaust.. pag petron diesel gamit namin mas ramdam ang engine response kaso medyo maamoy ang exhaust. 4d56 engine at D4ea engine

[LancerA174A]

Thanks for that. That is a bit concerning.

To note, our family also tops up with Unioil Euro 5 Diesel for our Euro 2 Montero (previous gen). In terms of being Euro 5, I think Unioil started that last year. They used to be Euro 4 while the rest were still at Euro 2, Seaoil being Euro 3 per my recollection.

The current Dmax would have the 1.9L Euro 4 engine, so should be only a slight difference with Euro 5 standards, but that remains to be seen if there is an effect in the long term operations of the engine like what you have experienced.

I couldn't find anything related to concerns in operating a Euro 2 engine with a Euro 5 fuel except for a quora reply, whether or not it is accurate remains to be verified with our experts here.

Can a Euro 2 diesel engine use Euro 5 diesel? - Quora

Kaya nga sir, we previously had a KDM D4BH Starex, wala naman problema sa Unioil Euro IV, sa 4JA1 naman haven't noticed anything apart from the noticable higher fuel consumption.

Thats normal sa diesel.. fuel knock yan. Try changing diesel fuel.

Yes sir, we filled up again at Shell yesterday sa Clark (btw may discount sila to be claimed on your next visit [emoji4])

Still hoping it could be remedied, I like how one gets to use cheaper and cleaner fuel at the same time, convenient pa location ng station sa amin.

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[17Sphynx17]

May ganyan din ako experience sa unioil fuel.. same sa friend ko.. mahina hatak ng makina sa unioil.. pero no smoke at hindi mabaho exhaust.. pag petron diesel gamit namin mas ramdam ang engine response kaso medyo maamoy ang exhaust. 4d56 engine at D4ea engine

Thanks for that notice. I'll retry with new Techron then of Caltex. Before, that same issue you mentioned for Unioil Euro 5 was what I experience with 4d56 with Euro Caltex Diesel, 4 years ago which is why I had to shift to to Euro 4 Unioil then.

If not that, then Shell, Seaoil or Total most likely, but I'll avoid Petron as experience rusted fuel neck with them, while friend I personally know who also owns a Montero before had rusted fuel tank. Both of us suffered check engine warning light with Petron diesel fuels.

[kkreuk18]

Thanks for that notice. I'll retry with new Techron then of Caltex. Before, that same issue you mentioned for Unioil Euro 5 was what I experience with 4d56 with Euro Caltex Diesel, 4 years ago which is why I had to shift to to Euro 4 Unioil then.

If not that, then Shell, Seaoil or Total most likely, but I'll avoid Petron as experience rusted fuel neck with them, while friend I personally know who also owns a Montero before had rusted fuel tank. Both of us suffered check engine warning light with Petron diesel fuels.

Un rust depende na yan sa station. O kaya pag bagong karga o paubos na un tank ng station.
Naexperience ko din yan kakaibang sound sa unioil kaya kahit di pa expired un s&r card namin, bumalik na lang ako sa caltex. Ayun nawala un sound na nadidinig ko.

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[rhizom3]

I’m using Caltex Diesel (w/ Techron) sa Landers Pasig. That gas station is relatively new so panatag ako.


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[17Sphynx17]

Un rust depende na yan sa station. O kaya pag bagong karga o paubos na un tank ng station.
Naexperience ko din yan kakaibang sound sa unioil kaya kahit di pa expired un s&r card namin, bumalik na lang ako sa caltex. Ayun nawala un sound na nadidinig ko.

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It wasn't rust in the fuel. The fuel made my fuel neck rust. While on my friend's Monty, it rusted his fuel tank.

If it was just floating in the fuel, they wouldn't have needed to replace the part itself. That's why I avoid Petron nowadays. Just a clarification on that.

Still don't know regarding the sound for diesel specifically but will try be vigilant on the Montero and Dmax if that is the case. For now, I don't notice any difference.

[kkreuk18]

It wasn't rust in the fuel. The fuel made my fuel neck rust. While on my friend's Monty, it rusted his fuel tank.

If it was just floating in the fuel, they wouldn't have needed to replace the part itself. That's why I avoid Petron nowadays. Just a clarification on that.

Still don't know regarding the sound for diesel specifically but will try be vigilant on the Montero and Dmax if that is the case. For now, I don't notice any difference.

Ah may tubig. Isa pa yan sa iniiwasan ko, un mga gas station na malapit sa mga bahayan. Kasi kumakatas daw un mga septic tanks. Mataas un moisture content daw kaya nagkakatubig un tank ng station

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[mokong22]

normal lang yan ma ingay naman talaga mga isuzu engine except sa 1.9 new engine nila.

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[LancerA174A]

Medyo nabawasan na yung knocking sound sa startup, baka nga dahil sa fuel ito. Will check again kapag naubos na yung natirang Unioil then fill up again with V Power. [emoji4]

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[Wh1stl3r]

It wasn't rust in the fuel. The fuel made my fuel neck rust. While on my friend's Monty, it rusted his fuel tank.

If it was just floating in the fuel, they wouldn't have needed to replace the part itself. That's why I avoid Petron nowadays. Just a clarification on that.

Still don't know regarding the sound for diesel specifically but will try be vigilant on the Montero and Dmax if that is the case. For now, I don't notice any difference.

Bro, did you have a suking Petron gas station where you usually fill up or did you fill up pretty much at any Petron station? That rust issue is pretty alarming.

It seems to me that Petron diesel seems to run the quietest on our diesel cars pa naman.

[17Sphynx17]

Bro, did you have a suking Petron gas station where you usually fill up or did you fill up pretty much at any Petron station? That rust issue is pretty alarming.

It seems to me that Petron diesel seems to run the quietest on our diesel cars pa naman.

Suking Petron Station back then for me was usually the 2 Petron Stations along Quezon Avenue near Araneta Avenue in QC. One is almost opposite Sto Domingo Church and the other is opposite Mistubishi Quezon Avenue/St Peter Funeral Home/Chapel. Both weren't flood prone properties themselves, just the areas near them, or a few hundred meters from them. =)

After the rusting incident, I stopped using Petron altogether.

But on that note, I recall when Volkswagen was going to reenter our market when we were still stuck with Euro 2 standards, there should have been an article mentioning that the diesel quality here had some problems. I assumed they were just not naming Petron specifically back then.

Here is the first article I could find about diesel quality concerns of Euro makes.

More diesel-powered passenger vehicles upcoming

Except from the Article published back in 2015:

"Fuel quality concerns

Carmakers say that while local fuel is suitable, concerns remain. Magsuci of BMW says that high particle count is one reason why not many European brands are able to bring in their diesel engines, and another is the high sulfur content."

So I just equated in to that as well, since the fuel rust issue, especially of fuel tanks were popping up for previous gen Montero and Fortuner owners. Asked the service/casa of both brands along Quezon Avenue and they were receiving quite a number of them. Mostly the owners reported fueling from Petron with some outliers from Shell, but that is second hand info relayed by the service manager(s).

I only can confirm my own fuel use as well as my friend's. I suffered the check engine/rust detected back in 2013, near the end of my 3 year warranty period so I was able to claim it under warranty. My friend got his check engine issue just a few months later around early 2014 (he got his Monty a year later than mine, so his tank was also replaced under warranty) He usually gasses up around Manila area but I don't know which exact stations he used.

*Wh1stl3r - this was back when Petron still sold Euro 2 diesels. How different their current Euro 4 mix is, I don't really know.

On our 10 year old or more gasoline vehicles, the issue I've found is that I have relied on putting in 95RON instead of just 91RON (the specified required fuel) to remove shuddering from the car. It is usually really noticeable if we haven't started the car for more than 36 hours, or say going 2 days or more before we start it.

This has been what we found was consistent to remove the shudder (almost to the point where it feels like the engine would die while idling) for 2003 Xtrail, 2008 City and the 2009 Altis. All have specified recommendation of using 91RON (or even 89 I recall for the Altis if I'm not mistaken). We consulted a mechanic when it was an issue on the Altis and Xtrail and he told us to use 95RON instead of 91RON, saying something about water content from the biofuels separating when fuel is left standing in the tank for too long if it's parked for a long time (or basically not in daily/frequent use). It did really work. But as to his reasoning, I haven't really been able to find an article specific to it but it just worked for us, no need to change any part really.

The City had other issues when I brought it in to Honda. Hehe! You can read about that in the Honda or Toyota thread I think. Again, resolved as well.

[Wh1stl3r]

Suking Petron Station back then for me was usually the 2 Petron Stations along Quezon Avenue near Araneta Avenue in QC. One is almost opposite Sto Domingo Church and the other is opposite Mistubishi Quezon Avenue/St Peter Funeral Home/Chapel. Both weren't flood prone properties themselves, just the areas near them, or a few hundred meters from them. =)

After the rusting incident, I stopped using Petron altogether.

But on that note, I recall when Volkswagen was going to reenter our market when we were still stuck with Euro 2 standards, there should have been an article mentioning that the diesel quality here had some problems. I assumed they were just not naming Petron specifically back then.

Here is the first article I could find about diesel quality concerns of Euro makes.

More diesel-powered passenger vehicles upcoming

Except from the Article published back in 2015:

"Fuel quality concerns

Carmakers say that while local fuel is suitable, concerns remain. Magsuci of BMW says that high particle count is one reason why not many European brands are able to bring in their diesel engines, and another is the high sulfur content."

So I just equated in to that as well, since the fuel rust issue, especially of fuel tanks were popping up for previous gen Montero and Fortuner owners. Asked the service/casa of both brands along Quezon Avenue and they were receiving quite a number of them. Mostly the owners reported fueling from Petron with some outliers from Shell, but that is second hand info relayed by the service manager(s).

I only can confirm my own fuel use as well as my friend's. I suffered the check engine/rust detected back in 2013, near the end of my 3 year warranty period so I was able to claim it under warranty. My friend got his check engine issue just a few months later around early 2014 (he got his Monty a year later than mine, so his tank was also replaced under warranty) He usually gasses up around Manila area but I don't know which exact stations he used.

*Wh1stl3r - this was back when Petron still sold Euro 2 diesels. How different their current Euro 4 mix is, I don't really know.

On our 10 year old or more gasoline vehicles, the issue I've found is that I have relied on putting in 95RON instead of just 91RON (the specified required fuel) to remove shuddering from the car. It is usually really noticeable if we haven't started the car for more than 36 hours, or say going 2 days or more before we start it.

This has been what we found was consistent to remove the shudder (almost to the point where it feels like the engine would die while idling) for 2003 Xtrail, 2008 City and the 2009 Altis. All have specified recommendation of using 91RON (or even 89 I recall for the Altis if I'm not mistaken). We consulted a mechanic when it was an issue on the Altis and Xtrail and he told us to use 95RON instead of 91RON, saying something about water content from the biofuels separating when fuel is left standing in the tank for too long if it's parked for a long time (or basically not in daily/frequent use). It did really work. But as to his reasoning, I haven't really been able to find an article specific to it but it just worked for us, no need to change any part really.

The City had other issues when I brought it in to Honda. Hehe! You can read about that in the Honda or Toyota thread I think. Again, resolved as well.

Sana may drain plug sa bottom lahat ng fuel tank para madali magdrain ng water. I did read diesel being hygroscopic and biodiesel being even more so. Seems it's only a matter of time before water in the tank becomes an issue. Di naman yata regularly nagsisiphon ng water yung mga gas stations.

Problem ko kasi with Shell diesel maingay at hindi smooth ang takbo sa rides namin. Between Caltex and Petron they seems to like running on Petron more. I really hope it has more to do with the station's maintenance than the fuel.

[17Sphynx17]

Sana may drain plug sa bottom lahat ng fuel tank para madali magdrain ng water. I did read diesel being hygroscopic and biodiesel being even more so. Seems it's only a matter of time before water in the tank becomes an issue. Di naman yata regularly nagsisiphon ng water yung mga gas stations.

Problem ko kasi with Shell diesel maingay at hindi smooth ang takbo sa rides namin. Between Caltex and Petron they seems to like running on Petron more. I really hope it has more to do with the station's maintenance than the fuel.

Well, just for context as well for back then. After Petron, I tried Caltex first. It was their Euro 2 mix and not Techron branded I recall. But the 4d56 wasn't really happy with it. The engine response, especially from cold start was sorely lacking. It didn't respond as well to throttle inputs back then. I tried it 3 times by topping up from almost empty and the issue was persistent. It wasn't just me that noticed it by my brothers too. We then just shifted it to Unioil which was at that time Euro 4 Diesel.

Now, there is a concern posted that running Euro 2 engines on Euro 5 might have/suffer from issues down the line. I still haven't felt/found any issue with the 4d56 but will be on alert for it. Knowing that it has been experienced by some already, I'll try and top up with Caltex Techron Diesel over the weekend (Landers.. hehe!) and see how it feels, if its the same retarded performance still. Will just check. =)

[Wh1stl3r]

Well, just for context as well for back then. After Petron, I tried Caltex first. It was their Euro 2 mix and not Techron branded I recall. But the 4d56 wasn't really happy with it. The engine response, especially from cold start was sorely lacking. It didn't respond as well to throttle inputs back then. I tried it 3 times by topping up from almost empty and the issue was persistent. It wasn't just me that noticed it by my brothers too. We then just shifted it to Unioil which was at that time Euro 4 Diesel.

Now, there is a concern posted that running Euro 2 engines on Euro 5 might have/suffer from issues down the line. I still haven't felt/found any issue with the 4d56 but will be on alert for it. Knowing that it has been experienced by some already, I'll try and top up with Caltex Techron Diesel over the weekend (Landers.. hehe!) and see how it feels, if its the same retarded performance still. Will just check. =)

My last 3 fill ups were at Caltex in Landers and I get the same observation, it does shudder quite a bit on cold starts. And seems a bit more sluggish vs Petron. But the sluggishness might have more to do with higher ambient temps.

When Unioil was still Euro 4 when I used it on my Euro 3 pickup I noticed that it had a bit more vibration but the emissions were better.

[nowitzki41]

Mga sir, how many months/years may warranty yung DRLs? Busted na kasi yung 1.. Thanks!

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[rhizom3]

What unit and what year?


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[nowitzki41]

3.0 2017 sir

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[LancerA174A]

Medyo nabawasan na yung knocking sound sa startup, baka nga dahil sa fuel ito. Will check again kapag naubos na yung natirang Unioil then fill up again with V Power. [emoji4]

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Update: After 3 full tanks of V-Power, the loose metal/clattery noise is still there. Might have to check with the dealer for proper diagnosis. Ang pangit lang talaga pakinggan.
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