want to start racing little help.. ??

[niky]

my brother told me that he just wants to get back on his rival car. he wants to beat that car w/ the same engine he had when he lost. he doesnt want to really b the fastest car like the hatch who has big engines like those kia pride,charade.. he just want to be a bit faster to beat his rival. engot po kasi yun eh

advice na lang po mga paps kung anu mga dapat ikarga..

TIA

Beat a D15B with a PH15?

Boy oh boy...

How much money does your bro have? And how much slower is his car than the other?

A lot of non-turbo tuning is in the proper matching of intake and exhaust components... having the right intake, header and exhaust goes a long way to making the most out of your puny PH15. A good set of well-designed headers for the D15 will do wonders... there are shops locally that can do copies of some of the better racing headers for the 1.5 - 1.6 mills, like the Bisimoto... a mandrel bent imitation, though, will cost the better part of 15k pesos.

A full mandrel bent exhaust... another 12k... buy a good muffler. A cheap one will just lose you power, and a "scav" set-up will kill your midrange power. It'll give you more top-end, but you need mid-range power for your launch.

Don't go cheap on the intake. A long intake tube with a K&N head fits your purposes well.

After that, if he can't beat the other car, it'll get crazy.

Remove all excess weight. Remove the carpet and chip away all excess sound deadening. Unbolt the passenger and rear seats, as well. Strip all non-essentials, including the AC. Switch to smaller wheels... you can get some Yokohama sports tires in 14", y'know...

Beyond that...

To comprehensively overpower a modified D15B with full IHE, he'll need good headworks, a high performance cam, maybe a high compression build... convert the engine to EFI (if it isn't) and retune the thing with a Hondata system... get it to rev to about 9000k...

Heck, do the last part alone, along with IHE, and you have a fighting chance. It'll be an obvious change, but he wants to win, right?

Of course, the one way to win, for sure....


No cost at all. Just need a saw and lots of time. 2 seconds off the quarter-mile time and two and a half seconds faster to 100 km/h...

[mikhailer]

yun lang bro... yan na siguro pinak detailed way to beat a d15b using ph15. ang iniisip mo at eh... kumbaga "magkarga" ka lang ng kng ano eh bibilis ka na. it is not like in the movies na kng ano ano nilalagay, kunwari stock tpos bibilis na. it will take a lot of work to do that.

maniwala ka bro, mapabilis mo man yan nde pa rin maniniwala na stock pa rin yung ph15 mo. why? nakakarera na niya yung oto eh, syempre magugulat yun bakit biglang tumulin ng sobra.

mahirap yang gusto mo bro. seriously speaking if he really wants the car to go faster, you should modify it properly.

kahit siguro si schumacher hinde kayang papanaluhin yung stock ph15 mo kalaban yung d15b eh

[isa1023]

Some stealth set-up para hindi halatang sinetup kahit magkabukasan ng hood:...

[SIZE=1]Tune at your own risk...[/SIZE]

• Port and polish headwork
• Tune up, change oil, fill up with 95 or 96 octane
• Adjustable camgears
• Light flywheel
• Remove compressor and power steering belt (assuming straight line ang labanan)
• Empty your trunk and remove all unnecessary weight, including tools and jack
• Strip-out interior
• Remove the resonator tubes from the stock airbox (assuming efi na yan - this alone gave a lot healthier rpm response on my d15b using oem air cleaner ... responses like a simota short-ram)
• Remove air cleaner (dont replace with ladies' stockings...) but make sure walang baha or sobrang alikabok sa strip na pagkakarerahan niyo
• Install fuel controller then retune the piggyback
• Inflate your tires 2 psi higher than normal (kung naka-14s or 15s ka) or 1 psi than normal (kung naka 16s ka) .. or if you want you can fill it up with nitrogen, although I havent had one myself
• Install short shifter

Give it days of practice with the above to familiarise the driver with the new vehicles response... then let's see..


That's not a lot of money though... but a lot of risk sa daily drivability of the car...

[isa1023]

Just be wary though that the above setup is not an efficient way of moding your engine for power and torque gains... and porting and polishing aint reversible .... meaning you can't go back to stock after that...

But you insist on powering it up ng hindi halata pag nagkasilipan na...

Basically, a simple reduction of weight and IHE restriction should serve its purpose...

And practice, practice, practice especially up- and downshifting (hehe para naman ganun talagang kalaki yung gains in power) ... else you end up losing your transmission or worst,.. blowing up your engine

[SiRvtec]

ok na paps.. ako na po ang lumaban.. pumayag na po na ako labanan.. yung b16 stock ko po.. +6 yung d15b nung naglaban kame.. natalo ko naman po.. thanks God naman po.. magpapalit na din po na EF hatch n nkb16b ang kapatid ko.. hehe maraming salamat po sa mga payo..

[renzo_d10]

Heh. Drag Racing ei ?

You'll need a lot of money to make your brothers engine much much faster than the d15b. ;)

But like what you said. You've beaten your rival's vehicle by using a stock b16 engine. SiR ?

Congrats tho.

[jomarijoma]

if you want to get the best of both world (horsepower and torque in one) then you have no other option than built a b20vtec. Just remember built it right and strong.

approximately a performance engine build alone will cost you around P400,000.00 or more depending on your budget and combo of high performance part.

9 or 10 sec of quarter mile is easy on good b20vtec built.

[gearspeed]

I remember this kid just swap a K24 on it, lower the front only, put a wider tires on the front & have fun... O yeah he beat the crap out of a s2000

wow thats one strong k24.

Sir gearspeed, mukhang kilala niyo ang mga owners nung Starlet, Pride at Charade ah..

Nakakatuwa yung mga hatch na yun...

Hindi naman nakikita ko kase sa ibang forums yun eh.

[isa1023]

ok na paps.. ako na po ang lumaban.. pumayag na po na ako labanan.. yung b16 stock ko po.. +6 yung d15b nung naglaban kame.. natalo ko naman po.. thanks God naman po.. magpapalit na din po na EF hatch n nkb16b ang kapatid ko.. hehe maraming salamat po sa mga payo..

Congrats paps ...
You see d15b's aint one hell of a race engine unlike the b16a ...

Although I know someone from a race group in the south ...
yung slightly modded b16a SiR niya natalo ng all-motor d15b na hatch....

[SiRvtec]

ahh paps anu pong team s south?? anu pong kulay nung SIR?? black po ba na SIR?? san po naglaban? sta.rosa po ba?

hehe saka paps sino po kaya sa inyo my alam n binebenta na headers ng d15b? may nghahanap lang po na kakilala ako.. san po kaya mabilis na makakahanap? thanks mga paps..

[isa1023]

ahh paps anu pong team s south?? anu pong kulay nung SIR?? black po ba na SIR?? san po naglaban? sta.rosa po ba?

Oh well,.. bakit mo alam? Hahahaha
A week or two after the race they bought an EG6 straight from Japan, motored-it up to hell ... and heaven knows....

That gave my friend an impression that Im now a proud d15b runner. hehe ...

hehe saka paps sino po kaya sa inyo my alam n binebenta na headers ng d15b? may nghahanap lang po na kakilala ako.. san po kaya mabilis na makakahanap? thanks mga paps..

I still have my stock d15b headers ...

[rbravo]

thanks for the advice guys. i'll tell my brother. but my brother love that car,and i dont think he wants to sell it. but i think his just joking bout the limited bugdet. maybe guys can you give me advice on what to do first in his engine. he wants to beat a rival guy in the other team that has the same engine as my brother have, ph15 but they said that the parts of the engine inside it is d15.. so what can you guys suggest??

Natalo kc xa last last week. gusto ko sanang labanan. ayaw naman kasi b16 stock ako. saka wala pa ako masyado alam sa racing. isesecret pati nya ang pagkakarga daw e.

thank you in advance paps.

baka naman mini-me yung set up ng kalaban ng brother mo.

[rbravo]

estimate run down daw mga paps... latagan natin sya ng choices para alam nya kung ano sinasabi natin...

want real horsepower?
-engine swap to B20 (approx 110 - 130k engine pa lang)

*pag sinimulan mo diyan pa lang damay damay na lahat yan... suspension, brakes, tranny, ecu etc... di mo akalain halos presyong bagong oto na nagagastos mo

if i were you stick with what you have. tamang maintenance lang and keep it clean all the time para maximized and performance. stock ph15 gives relatively low power, kahit stock eg smoked yan. sorry pero ganun kahina ang potential ng ph15

but... i remember a thread in HCP. isang magaling na car enthusiast, ni re assemble nya yung stock ph15. ported and polished top to bottom. stock lahat. ang goal nya is to show people na kahit mahina makina mapapalakas dahil sa linis ng gawa. gulat lahat pag dyno nung oto. sobrang napalakas nya. yun nga lang it would take expertise and lots of money to reach that. try to search that thread bro,,, very inspiring!

if im not mistaken si sir slash ang tinutukoy mo sa HCP.one of the best guru pagdating sa engine yun.abd the best yung ginawa nya sa engine na na ph15 ata.kaya nya ata sibakin ang stock B16a

heres the link of his build: http://s3.zetaboards.com/HCP/topic/7069954/1/

[mikhailer]

oo sir... si sir slash nga yun... documented pa lahat... napaka husay...

[SiRvtec]

Oh well,.. bakit mo alam? Hahahaha
A week or two after the race they bought an EG6 straight from Japan, motored-it up to hell ... and heaven knows....

That gave my friend an impression that Im now a proud d15b runner. hehe ...




I still have my stock d15b headers ...

paps wat po number nyo po?? saka po bka may mga ibang parts ka po ng d15 po??email me na lang po.. gringo_oto*yahoo.com po.. TIA

parang kilala ko po yung black SIR na yun.. hehe hinahamon din ako nun eh.. haha di ko lang malabanan kasi di talaga ako masyado s racing..

[isa1023]

oo sir... si sir slash nga yun... documented pa lahat... napaka husay...

Makes me think Im convinced to have some port and polish work.. Mabisita nga ang ATI Group ... Tol, pure PnP lang ba o may pinalitan din siyang internals?

[isa1023]

paps wat po number nyo po?? saka po bka may mga ibang parts ka po ng d15 po??email me na lang po.. gringo_oto*yahoo.com po.. TIA

parang kilala ko po yung black SIR na yun.. hehe hinahamon din ako nun eh.. haha di ko lang malabanan kasi di talaga ako masyado s racing..

Naku paps wala akong parts for sale from the d15b eh.
Taga-san ka ba? That black SiR is around the south area (mga taga San Pedro kami) at nakakatabi ko rin yun sa parking sa opisina dito sa Alabang...

All-motor yun dude, almost straight Type-R internals yata, tsaka naka slick pa yung tires sa likod...

Kaw, baka kayanin ng SiR mo hehe...
Nabigyan nako nun ng isa hindi ko natalo hehe (asa )...

Sumabay ako sa biritan kasabay yung EG9 turbo nila.. Na-angasan yata sakin....

[SiRvtec]

Naku paps wala akong parts for sale from the d15b eh.
Taga-san ka ba? That black SiR is around the south area (mga taga San Pedro kami) at nakakatabi ko rin yun sa parking sa opisina dito sa Alabang...

All-motor yun dude, almost straight Type-R internals yata, tsaka naka slick pa yung tires sa likod...

Kaw, baka kayanin ng SiR mo hehe...
Nabigyan nako nun ng isa hindi ko natalo hehe (asa )...

Sumabay ako sa biritan kasabay yung EG9 turbo nila.. Na-angasan yata sakin....

-ahh e yung header mo paps?? binebenta mo ba?? la kame mahanap eh..

-taga lucena po ako.. ahh kala ko yung black SIR na kakilala ko dito sa lucena yung sinasabi mu po.. dumayo din dati s sta.rosa yun eh. my takbuhan din po ba jan s san pedro?? sana mga minsan makapunta kame jan.. last week pumunta kame sta.rosa, hindi naman napalaro.. mdyo magugulang yung nakausap namin.. yung isa nakaB18,sabi samin di daw nya alm kung anu makina nya,haha nahingi ng plus 2 smin e b16 lang kame.. nakakainis lang kasi ginagawa kame walang alam.. sabagay ako walang alm talaga masyado sa makina..pero yung mga kasama ko hindi nila magugulangan.. natatawa na nga lang kame.. thanks sa reply paps.. good to know walang masyado talkshit dito..

[mikhailer]

Makes me think Im convinced to have some port and polish work.. Mabisita nga ang ATI Group ... Tol, pure PnP lang ba o may pinalitan din siyang internals?

alam ko bro pure PnP lang yun... as far as i remember para intake ata ng 97 vtec yng nilagay... hnde lang ako sure. mahaba lang yung thread pero it's worth the read. nakaka excite tpos may pics pa... plus comment pa ng mga tropang eg. ganda!!!

[isa1023]

-ahh e yung header mo paps?? binebenta mo ba?? la kame mahanap eh..

dumayo din dati s sta.rosa yun eh. my takbuhan din po ba jan s san pedro?? sana mga minsan makapunta kame jan

Paps stock pa din yung header ko eh.. Wala pong bitawan sa San Pedro, dumadayo pa sila sa Sta Rosa at Calamba .. May iba namang grupo from Silang, Cavite na okay kausap and would race just for fun (without pink slips or cash whatsoever) ..

I think even Alabang boys would check the place sometimes...