Too many PASAWAY motorcycle RIDERS on the street

[SerialMaus]

wow galing neto. eye-opener din. mali talaga na sadyang harangin ng daan. ako naman napapa iling ako tuwing masikip sa side then may dadaan na motor. sabay 'whew' pag lumagpas na ang motor. then after 5 seconds may dadaan na naman!

I know your concern, kasi nasabitan na rin car ko before. Pero bottom line is, nasa skill ng rider yan if magaling tumantya ng space, kung t*ng*, sasabit nga. And minsan it's about POV (Point of View), minsan kasi akala ko halos dikit na yung singit, pero nung sinukat ko, maluwag nga pala, remember, we are seated in our cars, usually low profile and on left side, our POV of the right,rear,and front of our car is skewed, mukhang kulang sa space pero maluwag pala yung nilusutan dun if you are actually there on that spot. Pero on our left side, ibang usapan yan, kitang kita natin yan eh :D

[leodawesome]

Ahem .... ang daming mga car owners dito na MATAPOBRE at ano tingin niyo sa sarili niyo, you have more rights on the road just because you think you are financially above another person because you are driving a car/cage and the other is driving a two wheel? Don't be too sure, since I am anonymous here, I'll give myself as an example, do you really think you are financially better than those motorbikers? Take me for example, there are a lot of bikers doing better than me, I already earn almost a 100K in salary alone, my wife also earns somewhere near that, plus we have a business in the province, we own two house and lots, and lots of real property in the province, but on the road you will more likely see me riding my 220cc tour bike or even on a Motorstar 110cc UB (underbone) or even a SYM or RUSI tricycle than riding our car and van. So, you think motorbikers have less rights on the road because you think you are richer than them? Baka mamaya, yung biker na inaapi mo, masmarami pa taxes contributed sa construction ng road na pinagmamadamot mo sa kanila.

1) The roads are made from the tax payers money. Question: Are you a tax payer? Are they tax payers?
2) The roads are made for vehicles. Question: Are you driving a vehicle? Are they driving a vehicle?

Excuse me, some of us car/cage owners (like me, we have more than one) still prefer riding motorbikes (again we have more than one from an underbone to workhorse standard bikes to tour bike type, even tricycles believe it or not). Why?

1) Traffic Jams. Motorbikes can filter through traffic way better than any vehicle, that is not a bad thing, and should not be hated by us car drivers, it's an innate capability of all vehicles, yes ALL VEHICLES. We car drivers are also doing 'filtering' unknowingly, just by switching lanes, overtaking, getting in between two vehicles to squeeze through. It's just that the motorbikes can do this a lot more efficiently, a lot more effectively, and a lot more frequently. Though its a lot more risky for the rider than a car/cage driver.

2) Mileage. Motorbikes consume less. Less petrol, less tire rubber, less engine oil, less brake fluids, has less mechanical maintenance cost.

3) Love. Some of us are motorbike enthusiasts. Riding on two wheels can be exhilirating, and a breath of fresh air.



Andyan pa yung nabasa ko nampipina ng rider ... alam mo na palang may intention to overtake ang isang motor at kasya naman siya sabay sasaraduhan mo ng sadya ang daan? Ang tawag dun ay BASTOS sir. Ginagawa din yun ng kotse ah, yung sisingit at o-overtake, nasa timing lang yan at nasa tamang acceleration plus tamang space computation. Pagmali, sasabit, mabibitin kahit kotse ka pa o motor. Pero kung yung motor e kaya naman bakit mo sasadyaing harangan? Maling attitude yun, gawin kaya sa iyo yan ng kapwa mo kotse o bus o truck? This kind of attitude is dangerous, that antic could have caused the rider to panic and crash, what an idiotic thing to do. Just let them pass, you don't lose anything when you do that, because in the end, you are still stuck behind another cage/car.

And let me explain another thing I read here, someone wondering about the habit of riders to come together in an accident. This is not a plain 'kampihan' thing. This is rider to rider helping hand attitude, one thing in motorbiking culture that car drivers do not usually have. Motorbikers usually will help each other and even car drivers, it is a mindset in the biker culture. Let me explain further, other motorbikers will stop to block the vehicles involved in the accident because one thing we learned is, cagers/car drivers will run away from an accident leaving the poor rider on the ground. That is why one of you experienced the box-out event and then the rider let other cars pass once the vehicles involved are stopped. It is not about who was wrong or right on an accident, it's about getting the parties resolve a problem. Do not quickly assume that the car/cage was in the right when an accident happens between a motorbike and a car/cage even if the motorbike hit the back of the cage/car. For all we know the cage/car could have cut through and suddenly stopped without warning. That is another thing we learned, car/cage drivers care less about motorcycles, they do not bother looking at the side mirrors, rear mirrors to check if they are going to hit a motorbike, they care less because they are sitting-pretty inside their caged vehicles.

Let me also explain another phenomenon with motorbikes trying to be at the front on a stop light:

1) If motorbikers are behind a cage/car, they are inhaling your fumes. Question: are your cages/cars not puffing black smoke?

2) If motorbikers are pinned surrounded by cages/cars, the heat from your car/cage engines and even exhaust pipes radiates around your vehicle, hence, the biker absorbs all these. Remember bikers do not have air conditioning.

3) In intersections, some vehicles at the back fail to stop and hit motorbikes infront, so we usually use another car/cage as a shield against those vehicles from further back that may fail to stop and turn us into sandwich spreads. Having no vehicle up front also enables as to have more reaction choices for any problems that may arise from behind.

4) Motorbikes usually accelerate faster than cage/cars, and being in between them will only add us as traffic obstacles for all of you. We will only be hit by unruly jeeps and buses that suddenly turn left or right on a go signal. If motorbikes are upfront, they clear the traffic faster, leaving less number of vehicles battling during a 'go' signal.

I do see alot of riders are also stupid and reckless, but that does not give you the right to:
1) Generalize
2) Ridicule the group
3) Maltreat the group while on the road

ADIOS.

Wow, this is long.....and irrelevant. :p

There are two kinds of two wheel rider sir, the good and the bad. Of your'e a good rider, KUDOS to you! But kindly understand that in this thread, we are talking about those bad ones, which majority of them are.

Peace and God bless. :D

[SerialMaus]

Wow, this is long.....and irrelevant. :p

There are two kinds of two wheel rider sir, the good and the bad. Of your'e a good rider, KUDOS to you! But kindly understand that in this thread, we are talking about those bad ones, which majority of them are.

Peace and God bless. :D

Oh really? Read how others have posted here. And you are right, there are bad ones and good ones both on cage/cars and even motorbikes. So why the unintelligent generalizing and bashing, and even ridiculing, and even belittling? Read other posts by other peeps here on this thread. Tsk tsk, sometimes I wonder if this so called car dirvers socialite types really had an education.

[Vstargazer]

What you dont know wont hurt you.

Bakit di ito subukan ng mga motorcycle haters.

1. Ilista niyo mga reklamo niyo sa mga Riders
2. Mag maneho kayo ng motor
3. Huwag niyong gagawin lahat ng nasa list niyo
4. Goodluck

btw isa sa mga natutunan ko sa buhay "huwag mang huhusga lalo na kung hindi ko naman talaga naiintindihan at alam ang buong pangyayari"

[Ponkan]

sana lahat ng nagsasabi ng maganda sa mga nagmomotor sana kayo lagi nakakasabay ko sa daan araw araw, kulang kayo sa bilang kahit ano pang sabihin nyo maganda matatabunan lang ng mga ibang balasubas na nagmomotor, barkada din nyo naman un iba dyan, pakisabihan nyo nalang...naniniwala pa din ako sa nabasa ko nun sa 1000 nagmomotor isa lang matino dyan, di magbabago un opinyon ko un

[gearspeed]

sana lahat ng nagsasabi ng maganda sa mga nagmomotor sana kayo lagi nakakasabay ko sa daan araw araw, kulang kayo sa bilang kahit ano pang sabihin nyo maganda matatabunan lang ng mga ibang balasubas na nagmomotor, barkada din nyo naman un iba dyan, pakisabihan nyo nalang...naniniwala pa din ako sa nabasa ko nun sa 1000 nagmomotor isa lang matino dyan, di magbabago un opinyon ko un

Agree ako dito.Madami nitong mala motogp gumamit ng motor sa service road kahit saang road ang slogan ata ng mga motor ay "basta may space upak lang at pasok lang".Kaya ganyan cguro ang halos lahat sa mga rider para may makuwento sila sa mga tropa nila na nakasetup na motor at ganito pa ang pagkuwento "Pare naka overtake ako ng 7 kotse sa isang upak lang. Yung isa dikitan pa para makasingit lang ako. Nagmala motogp pa ako sa mga kalsada. makarating lang sa bahay namin ng mabilis".
Kahit ako maya't maya may nakakasabay ako na motor na overtake lang ng overtake dun sa service road cut pa ng cut.Halos lahat ata ng motor may death wish kaso yung iba pagnaramdaman yung death wish iiyak na sa sakit..
Kagaya nung yellow na wave sa sucat service road with plate number EK7735 walang helmet yung back ride nagovertake ng nalanganin sa akin.Kitang kita may mahabang truck na papasok sa isang village cge pa din siya makipagchicken match sa akin.
Meron matitinong rider pero pili lang talaga kaunting kaunti lang.
Tandaan lang natin pag naka set up ang motor hataw alam nun kahit stock meron din hataw lang din ang alam pero pagnaka bangga si naka set up na motor tatakbuhan ka lang dahil walang pangbayad pero may pera pang set up ng motor.hahaha.

[Snake1]

What you dont know wont hurt you.

Bakit di ito subukan ng mga motorcycle haters.

1. Ilista niyo mga reklamo niyo sa mga Riders
2. Mag maneho kayo ng motor
3. Huwag niyong gagawin lahat ng nasa list niyo
4. Goodluck

btw isa sa mga natutunan ko sa buhay "huwag mang huhusga lalo na kung hindi ko naman talaga naiintindihan at alam ang buong pangyayari"

Since you bosted this here.. I'm assumiing that you believe we are motorcyle haters here....

I rest my case with my post....

Been there.. done that... still doing the right thing....

There is simply no excuse for the lack of road courtesy from bikers or cagers....

[stickers]

Since you bosted this here.. I'm assumiing that you believe we are motorcyle haters here....

I rest my case with my post....

Been there.. done that... still doing the right thing....

There is simply no excuse for the lack of road courtesy from bikers or cagers....

I agree, i still use my bike once in a while and i still drive it like i drive a cage. Mas attentive p nga ako dahil takot ako madisgrasya. Wala lang talagang discipline and consideration karamihan ng rider kaya kinakainisan.

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[falken]

What you dont know wont hurt you.

Bakit di ito subukan ng mga motorcycle haters.

1. Ilista niyo mga reklamo niyo sa mga Riders
2. Mag maneho kayo ng motor
3. Huwag niyong gagawin lahat ng nasa list niyo
4. Goodluck

btw isa sa mga natutunan ko sa buhay "huwag mang huhusga lalo na kung hindi ko naman talaga naiintindihan at alam ang buong pangyayari"

Hindi yung motor o kotse ang may problema, yung nagmamaneho ng wala sa tama ang problema.

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[Vstargazer]

Hindi yung motor o kotse ang may problema, yung nagmamaneho ng wala sa tama ang problema.

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Exactly.

Btw
May nabasa akong post na nag momotor din daw sila at di daw nila ginagawa ang mga bagay bagay na napag uusapan dito sana ma meet ko kayo para makamayan. Kung ganyan kayo ka disiplina sa pag momotor inaasahan ko mas disiplinado kayo mag maneho ng mas maraming gulong.


Sa mga MC haters

Napansin ko sa mga post niyo puro negatibong aksyon ginagawa niyo ano ngayon bumabalik sa inyo diba negatibo din.

Im sure kung nakaya niyo bumili ng kotse kaya niyo rin tustusan ang gastos na kasama niyan kasama na doon ang mga hindi inaasahang aksidente o kung ano ano pang mga dinadaing niyo dito.

Ika nga, Its better to give than to receive.

[sirkosero]

2 newbies. 1st post mainit agad. this is gonna be interesting.

[e2romo]

Yung singit ng singit din tapos kapag halos mahagip mo, dahil biglang sumalaksak sa harap mo, eh sila pa ang galit.

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[K.I.L.L.]

I both ride and drive but I still think that most riders really do not care for road rules and think they are excempted from following the law. There is simply no excuse for not observing proper road courtesy and discipline.

[Roden Villegas]

I am a rider and a driver too.

May konting advantage lang ng konti yung mga tulad ko na nakaranas magmaneho ng motor at kotse dahil naiintidihan natin yung saloobin ng mga nakamotor kung tayo ay naka kotse at ng mga naka kotse kung tayo ay nakamotor.

Naiinis ako sa mga nakamotor? Oo. Naka kotse man ako or naka motor nababadtrip pa rin ako sa kanila. Not because naka motor sila dahil dun sa ugali ng nagmamaneho ng motor.

Nabubuwisit ba ako sa mga nakakotse? Aba'y syempre. Nandyan yung mag counterflow tapos biglang sisingit sa lane mo ng wala man lang senyas.

What am trying to say is, mapa kotse man or motor talagang madaming pasaway. Nagkataon lang na ito'y isang Car Forum kaya ang hinanakit ng mga naka kotse ang nananaig.

Try to go sa isang motorcycle forum, nagegeneralize din naman ang mga cagers dun. Na tipong lahat ng nakakotse eh matapobre at nangigipit sa mga nakamotor.

[SerialMaus]

Lane splitting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lane Splitting: It is legal in most countries, this is done while traffic is flowing/moving, filtering is different but both are legal in most areas, this is done while traffic is jammed/stopped hence the term 'filtering through'. Why? Because it depends on the road infrastructure a country has. Now reflect: how wide are our roads? how disciplined are our cage drivers most notably the PUV's? how congested are our roads? But common sense applies, use this maneuver at your own risk, do it safely. If an accident happens, then you are liable. Simple, you do not have to hate the deed or the doer of the deed.

Yes I agree, a lot are stupid/reckless drivers on 2 wheels but blame that on our driver's licensing system not the motorcycle or on all riders. That does not give us cage drivers the right to treat motorbikes like they do not have rights on the road. We do not have the right to mock them, and discriminate them. We do not have the right to generalize. We do not have the right to intentionally put them into a dangerous sistuation. Like for example, just because I was on a bike, a car behind me driven by a lady so pissed off in traffic, decided to run me over slowly while we are all stopped (I kid you not, I had to use the sidewalk to get out of harm's way and note we are both in the inner lane, just imagine how hard it was to get to the sidewalk, WTF road rage??? This lady is turning me into a sandwich spread between her shiny Civic and a flat bed truck infront of me, the images of my son and my wife flashed in my head so I dashed for the sidewalk). That kind of behaviour is a result of all these generalization, mocking, and belittling we are sowing against bikers.

Case in point, yes I also agree that overtaking on the right is not proper, but actually not illegal as well unless motorcycles ride on the sidewalks which I do see every now and then (and have seen some get apprehended kudos to the traffic enforcer). Any vehicle can overtake on the right side, given that
1) the vehicle on the left is very slow
2) the vehicle on the left may be turning left
3) the vehicle on the left is stopped

but the one executing the maneuver must
1) predict first if the vehicle on left side will not swerve to the right or make a right turn (definitely avoid corners and passing through on almost gutter area, causes a lot of hits between a cage turning right and a motorbike going straight passing on extreme right, this is what most cagers do hate and I also do not approve of this habit, but also take note cagers also do this stupid move)
2) proceed carefully and slowly, mindful of sudden surprises like pedestrians from both right(from sidewalk) and left(covered from view by vehicles on the left)
3) changing to right lane does not cause any problems on the vehicles on the right lane

Again, I also agree on those sentiments like, 'siya na nga mali siya pa galit' kahit naman sa cages ganun din dami ko na na-encounter siya na mali siya pa maninigaw 'paliparin mo kotse mo!'. Kaya there's no sense in spreading hate on ALL motorcycles on such petty reasons.

[somniantis86]

so basically ang sinasabi mo dahil may mga balasubas din naman na nakakotse, bawal sila magreklamo dahil quits na? Thats the essence of democracy man.

Saka stop justifying your actions, paano naging tama ang magovertake sa right? pano rin naging tama ang magoccupy ng pedestrian lane pag nakastop ang stoplight? saka paano rin naging tama ang pagsilong sa ilalim ng flyovers, na nasa innermost lane, sa EDSA, na isang highway, tuwing umuulan? paano rin naging tama ang sumingit sa linya sa parking sa mall? ijujustify mo pa eh, mali na nga kayo.

saka pucha naman, ang reliable naman ng source mo, wikipedia, hahaha. well, bad news, illegal yan dito sa metro manila, so kahit anung justify mo dyan, mali ka.

[somniantis86]

hindi excuse ang infrastructue ng isang bansa para ijustify lang ang pagsingit2. gawin ko kaya sayo yan, sisingit ako pag nakalinya ka ng maayos sa alinmang office, di ka maiinis? manggugulang pa kasi eh, mali na nga.

[SerialMaus]

so basically ang sinasabi mo dahil may mga balasubas din naman na nakakotse, bawal sila magreklamo dahil quits na? Thats the essence of democracy man.

And when did I say this?

so basically ang sinasabi mo dahil may mga balasubas din naman na nakakotse, bawal sila magreklamo dahil Saka stop justifying your actions, paano naging tama ang magovertake sa right? pano rin naging tama ang magoccupy ng pedestrian lane pag nakastop ang stoplight? saka paano rin naging tama ang pagsilong sa ilalim ng flyovers, na nasa innermost lane, sa EDSA, na isang highway, tuwing umuulan? paano rin naging tama ang sumingit sa linya sa parking sa mall? ijujustify mo pa eh, mali na nga kayo.

Read again, it's ok to overtake on right LANE (except sa gutter, sidewalk, hindi lanes yan) and read again how it is executed, read din on driving books, overtake right is allowed. Depending on situation on traffic allows this. Ibig sabihin niyan if bawal sa right picture this, may mga slow trucks sa left lane, so ibig sabihin, nasa right lane ko beside the truck, di ka pwede lumagpas sa nguso ng truck na yun kahit mabilis sasakyan mo. Magdusa ka sa side lang nya or behind nya. Did I say OK ang pumarada sa PEDESTRIAN LANE? Did I say OK ang sumilong sa FLYOVERS? Where did I say that? Please READ and DIGEST the TEXT. Did I say OK sumingit sa pila sa parking sa mall (what? this is an issue for you? separate ang parking space ng motorcycles sa car, so what the?)?

so basically ang sinasabi mo dahil may mga balasubas din naman na nakakotse, bawal sila magreklamo dahil saka pucha naman, ang reliable naman ng source mo, wikipedia, hahaha. well, bad news, illegal yan dito sa metro manila, so kahit anung justify mo dyan, mali ka.

Enforce first then this will be illegal, but do you know why it is not enforced? Because enforcers already understand the situation, our roads are not equipped to accomodate all vehicles, so they let it be, as long as the rider does not hit any vehicle or person, then there is no issue. Alam mo bang masmalala lalo ang traffic if yang mga nakamotor na yan ay nagkotse din, at lalo mas traffic kung hindi sila pinapayagang mag filter o mag lane splitting? Imagine mo, by right of law, a motorcycle has a right to occupy a space equal to a car, isipin mo if we exercise that, at pumila kami ng tyre-to-tyre line, at wala pwede tumabi sa amin either left or right namin to exercise the right to equal space like a car, imagine how much worse the traffic is. Understand mo na bakit ina-allow? At bakit it's also about infrastracture? Punta ka sa bansang malalaki kalsada as I have already done, dun pwede i-exercise lahat yan with impunity sa di susunod dahil the infrastracture already provides the means to follow. Understand? At wala ako sinabi na bawal magreklamo, ang sinasabi ko, huwag mang-aapi, mananadyang manakit, mag-ge-generalize, manlalait, magdadamot ng kalsada, read back again. Read din yung posts ng mga tsikot forumers dito, back read ka makita mo what triggered this.

[TheGreenThing]

Kaya invest na sa steel bumpers hehehe

[somniantis86]

Whoa, i didnt know a law has to be enforced first to be illegal. Nuff said.

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