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[glenn_duke]

You don't enable it manually. Emergency/sudden braking triggers it. It is already available in many modern vehicles. Or at the least, it's starting to become more common.

Huraah , if this new braking system becomes a standard in vehicles, it will be slap to the face of LTOs, (copied) anti hazzard regulation. In sudden braking you are not to turn on your hazzard lights because you will not be able to signal the car behind you of your intended direction in case you have to change lanes to avoid the hazzard in front.

This proves two things.
1. Toyota safety engineers are convince brake lights alone are not adequate signal during emergency braking.

2. Toyota engineers does not believe losing the ability to signal during emergency braking is a critical reason to not use the hazzard lights.

I hope this innovation continues Im sure in the very near future, visibility sensors will be introduce that will automatically reduce your speed , turn on the headlights and turn on the hazzard lights.

The question now , are anti-hazzard lights advocate will buy vehicles equiped with this technology.?

[maxpedition]

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[oj88]

Huraah , if this new braking system becomes a standard in vehicles, it will be slap to the face of LTOs, (copied) anti hazzard regulation. In sudden braking you are not to turn on your hazzard lights because you will not be able to signal the car behind you of your intended direction in case you have to change lanes to avoid the hazzard in front.

This proves two things.
1. Toyota safety engineers are convince brake lights alone are not adequate signal during emergency braking.

2. Toyota engineers does not believe losing the ability to signal during emergency braking is a critical reason to not use the hazzard lights.

I hope this innovation continues Im sure in the very near future, visibility sensors will be introduce that will automatically reduce your speed , turn on the headlights and turn on the hazzard lights.

On #2, I think that's stretching it. For one, the emergency brake flashes are temporary. It disables itself, presumably, when you let your foot off the brake pedal. 2nd, when you are doing obstruction-avoidance while hard-braking, I don't think that engaging the turn signal would be the first thing on your mind. In that regard, I think that flashing the hazard lights or the brake lights should provide sufficient warning to the vehicle behind to slow down or approach with caution.

The question now , are anti-hazzard lights advocate will buy vehicles equiped with this technology.?

That's a straw man fallacy. They are not buying a vehicle which has their hazard lights hardwired to flash ALL the time. On the contrary, they're getting a vehicle that uses a safety feature that is ONLY engaged under certain emergency conditions (ABS/EBA is triggered, a crash is detected and/or the airbags/SRS pretensioners are deployed, etc.).... which pretty much falls into the category of situations when these hazard flashers SHOULD operate.

[sparc179]

Regulation ? Is this the one thats verbatimly copied from another country? The truth is the countries where that regulation was copied from have very strict laws and enforcement on the road worthiness of vehicles from the lights to the tint. Can you say the same exist in the Philippines? Lets start with your tint.

Seriously, that's your argument? Just because the regulation isn't enforced you shouldn't follow it anymore?

You're worse than the those who don't know what the rules are then, because you already know it's not a safe thing to do and yet you still do it.

And, if I may, the emergency brake system you are using to try and make your point, it means the vehicle has stopped already because of the emergency and is no longer moving. See the difference? Hazard (Not Hazzard, BTW) lights are good to use if the car is already stationary during an emergency situation, accident, has broken down, etc.

Hazard Lights + Stopped Vehicle = Good. It's just logical.

[dr. d]

emergency blinking brake lights.
the pros and cons are discussed by vince ****elos in autoindustriya.com.
it's in google.

on the use of hazard lights with the vehicle moving,
majority of published automotive literature clearly puts someone on the wrong side of automotive history.

OT.
kawawa naman si vince.
hindi pinapayagan ng computerized board of censors ma-spell correctly dito ang pangalan niya.

[glenn_duke]

Seriously, that's your argument? Just because the regulation isn't enforced you shouldn't follow it anymore?

You're worse than the those who don't know what the rules are then, because you already know it's not a safe thing to do and yet you still do it.

And, if I may, the emergency brake system you are using to try and make your point, it means the vehicle has stopped already because of the emergency and is no longer moving. See the difference? Hazard (Not Hazzard, BTW) lights are good to use if the car is already stationary during an emergency situation, accident, has broken down, etc.

Hazard Lights + Stopped Vehicle = Good. It's just logical.

Probably the regulatikn is flawed for philippine condition. Countries enforcing that regulations have other regulations that are more strictly enforced to make the non use of hazzard lights feasible. In the US , some states have anti hazzard law while other states allow it. Countries in South America have liberal application of hazzard lights, from pedestrian crossing to parking on the curb.

Cars in emergency braking are not going to stop in 1 second it will be in motion for several seconds depending on a lot of conditions from speed, tire, road condition, brake condition. ABS was invented to prevent brake lock so you can steer during this window. The hazzard lights in that emergency braking will trigger as soon as the system sence the force on the brake.

Review the video again and see that car is in motion while the hazzard light is flashing. You can even count the seconds before the car in the animation completely stops although the stopping distance is quite conservative from reality.

In strict sense in the use of hazzard lights in the philippines Vehicle in stopped position from emergency braking is not an exemption in the use of hazzard lights , not unless the vehicle is stopped due to collision.

[glenn_duke]

On #2, I think that's stretching it. For one, the emergency brake flashes are temporary. It disables itself, presumably, when you let your foot off the brake pedal. 2nd, when you are doing obstruction-avoidance while hard-braking, I don't think that engaging the turn signal would be the first thing on your mind. In that regard, I think that flashing the hazard lights or the brake lights should provide sufficient warning to the vehicle behind to slow down or approach with caution.



That's a straw man fallacy. They are not buying a vehicle which has their hazard lights hardwired to flash ALL the time. On the contrary, they're getting a vehicle that uses a safety feature that is ONLY engaged under certain emergency conditions (ABS/EBA is triggered, a crash is detected and/or the airbags/SRS pretensioners are deployed, etc.).... which pretty much falls into the category of situations when these hazard flashers SHOULD operate.

The time gap from pressing that brake to a complete stop is not going to be instantaneous.
That hazzard light will be flashing for considerable time.

You can safely flip the turn signal with one finger unlike the hazzard light which will require your right hand off the steering wheel to reach the hazzard button.

Im not only talking whats available Im also talking future innovations thats going to be contrary to someones beliefs.

[dr. d]

i have been driving for decades.
i have been in more potential fender-benders than i remember, that were linked to a sea of flashing hazard lights.
most of them involved a sense of disorientation and impending bump-car syndrome, at having so many moving cars with flashing hazard lights, in front of me.
whereas, it was rampant in many years past... thankfully, the practice has diminished.
whereas, before, it was a sea of blinkers, nowadays it is a more manageable one or two only...
... probably thanks to tsikot.com and other portals of friendly education.

one has to experience it, to understand it. my suspicion is, some folks have yet to experience it.
one or two blinking cars, is manageable; just stay away from them. i think, some post-ers here are refering to only one or two blinkers at a time, which, i believe, is totally different from...
a sea of blinkers from like-minded drivers, that causes one to want to step on the brakes and stop...

[enzo6k]

maybe, that technology of triggering hazard lights flash during emergency braking is to distinguish a normal braking from sudden braking caused by errmm a hazard on its path.

it will not activate for heavy rains or thick fog because the car behind already knows that, no need to warn them.

[oj88]

The time gap from pressing that brake to a complete stop is not going to be instantaneous.
That hazzard light will be flashing for considerable time.

Stopping time for most light to light-medium vehicles from 100kph to 0 is around 5 or 6 seconds, give or take, depending on road conditions. The flashers would only stay for that long or maybe until you've let go of the brake pedal. But let's just say 10 seconds total. That's not considerable, IMO.

If you stomp on the brakes under emergency conditions, it won't take long to slow down to a more manageable speed (enough to release the brakes) or even come to a halt.

You can safely flip the turn signal with one finger unlike the hazzard light which will require your entire right hand to reach the hazzard button.

I agree on the 2nd one..... that's the main reason it's being integrated into the vehicle safety features so it's one less thing for drivers to worry about. However, the first one is highly debatable. The operative word is "emergency". The driver's first instinct is to stop the vehicle and/or swerve to avoid an obstacle or collision. Flipping on the turn signal stalk is typically not up there on the top list of things to do in an emergency.