Performance Vehicles sa Pinas

[GeneQuin]

Aside from the obvious choices of Scoobies and Ford Lynx RS, ano pa ba ang mga available na medyo affordable sa atin ngayun? Paki include please ang mga info and stats nila tulad ng power to weight ratio, 0-60mph (0-100kph) times nila and most importantly, yung HP and Torque. Kung may mai-sasama kayong pics mas maganda

Salamat sa mga input nyo.


PS. kailangan din po pala na dapat may main dealer din sya. eg TOYOTA, HONDA...etc.

[alwayz_yummy]

mits evo 9-->casa released

eclipse v6->casa released

any BMW/benz/audi/jaguar sports cars-->indent order sa casa

civic SI (k20z3)(ung 2-door katulad kay Si_06) / ewan ko kung napapadating ng civic type-r, integra->indent order kay stand-out motors or any gray importer sa timog

ferarri/maserati--> indent order sa casa sa may ADB ave, ortigas

corvette meron sa importer malapit sa ch.2

[niky]

Wala nang Ford Lynx RS na brand new.
142 hp / 142 ft.lbs. of torqe, 0-100 km/h in 8.3 seconds (two shifts, mababa ang 2nd gear kasi... would be near mid-7's if the gearing were higher). It's got sports-car poise and handling, but stock power and grip aren't spectacular.

It's most comparable to the Honda Civic SiR: 160 hp / 113 ft.lbs. of torque, 0-100 km/h in 7.6 seconds. But you really need to rev it up to put any distance on the RS in highway driving.

Both are available secondhand. The RS from 450 - 550, the SiR from 350 - 450, although some people are asking a lot for pristine or well set-up versions (I've seen RS's for 600 and SiRs for 550).

Otherwise, the only casa available and semi-affordable (under or around 3 million pesos) sports cars are:

Honda Jazz 1.5 VTEC - (8.7 - 9 secs 0-100 km/h) pretty nice in MT form. Decently (not amazingly) quick, terrific handling. The car is so small you can feel all four wheels working at the road. Not a sports car, per se, but more involving than its bigger brother, the Civic.

Hyundai (Tiburon) Coupe and Coupe V6 - (10 sec / 9 sec) AT only. FWD. Kinda slow, even compared to the RS. Relatively cheap: (1.4 m for the V6)

Mazda 3 2.0R - (9.3 - 9.5 sec) Not as fast as a new Civic 2.0, but it's got better handling and better tires. Sports car handling (if not pace) at just around 1m pesos.

Mitsubishi Eclipse V6 GT - (6.5 - 7 sec) lots of nice torque, but AT only and FWD.

Mitsubishi Evo IX - (4.5 - 5.5 sec... depending on how much money you have for new clutches) available in two trims, but no warranty support.

Nissan 350Z - (6-7 sec... AT kasi) very expensive, AT only unless you ask for a special indent

Subaru WRX and STi - (6.5 sec / 5 sec) WRX is well-priced (under 2m). STi costs almost as much as the Evo.

[GeneQuin]

These "affordable" performance cars aren't suppose to have AUTO box IMHO opinion. Parang binawasan nila yung driver involvement with the car. Pero, I guess these people really knows what they're doing at pinag-aralan nang mabuti yung target market nila. Otherwise, di sila makakabenta ng marami.

Anyway, sa lahat siguro ng nabanggit, para sa akin ang pinaka complete packaged is the Lynx RS. Combination of all sorts really, 4 doors(good space), decent speed, affordability and road presence.

Dun sa iba kasi maganda nga, mabagal naman or mabilis nga, masyado namang mahal! At yung SIR naman, correct me if I'm wrong, medyo outdated na sya against sa RS? Or am I talking nonsense here?

I am a fan of RS's to be honest, muntik ko nang kunin yung FOCUS RS kung nabigyan sana ako ng magandang deal pero since hindi nangyari yun, napunta ako sa 2nd choice ko na Civic Type-R. Wala namang regrets kasi I just love my car to bits.

And BTW, *Niky: these V-tec machines doesn't have to be in wide open roads/highways just to put distance on your RS (provided they're both standard) although you're right when you said that you have to rev the nuts out of it. Kasi nga, sinadya talaga syang maging ganun.

I had a go with lots of other turbo'd cars here tulad ng modified MR2 turbo and even my brother's 260-280 bhp (approx.) Subaru WRX Impreza. Halos lahat sila mauuna lang ng kaunti pero when I hit the V-tec zone (less than a second to reach), lahat sila kayang iwanan. Pero I have to be honest, hindi ko talaga kaya yung utol kong talunin...hehehe pero atleast d nya ako maiwan-iwan.

below are some videos ng CTR against other cars like the 350Z at iba pa.

CTR against Focus RS and Seat Leon Cupra R
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeHY69gweKU

Vs. 350Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA85egqUWc8

Acceleration vid in MPH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZKQPY9Qd8

[Jun aka Pekto]

Hmmm. I didn't know the 2007 Mitsu Eclipse GT is sold over there. I expected more from a car with 263hp/260lb-ft torque.

[niky]

RE: RS... that's against local VTECs. Obviously, I don't stand a chance in hell against a full-on Type-R... ...but the local SiR is the regular B16A, which has a lower specific output. I've still to confirm it with a re-dyno, but my car has dyno'd very close to an SiR with the same mods.

With regards to handling, the EK Civic's steering is a little less involved than the Lynx/Protege's, and there's more tip-in understeer due to the longer wheelbase. The Lynx also has a somewhat stiffer chassis, and is much more buttoned down on the racetrack.
Yes, the SiR is about one generation older than the Lynx, but I've often regarded that generation (the last of the double-wishbone Civics) as the high-water mark for Civics (although the Type Rs that came after are still good). The SiR still drives well despite the softer set-up. But modified versus modified or modified versus Type-R, I haven't had the chance to find out. It's encouraging, though, that some US testers have compared the US version of this vehicle to the Honda Integra in terms of handling... one of the main reasons I opted for this vehicle over the other choices at that time.


RE: Eclipse GT: those are estimates. Manufacturer's figures are at 7 flat for the AT, but it's possible that you could get much better times with a broken-in engine in good weather.

RE: ATs... can't help that. In a small market like this, the tax premium padded onto "luxury cars" is huge. Thus, while your average middle-class enthusiast might actually realistically purchase an Eclipse or a 350Z in the US, in the Philippines, they're toys for the rich (or at least moderately so). Thus, the mean age of buyer who can afford these cars brand new is some ten to twenty years older than the US. Combine their older, more arthritic knees with the horrible traffic here, and you can see why automakers prefer bringing in the AT versions for cars that will never sell more than a handful.

EDIT: BTW, this doesn't apply to the Evo and the Rex... no way in heck are you getting your average 50 year old into one of those bewinged monsters... ...and those who are willing to are often willing to put up with shifting for themselves.

[kmo]

what do you mean actually by performance vehicle? ... madami kasi tlaga e .. actually halos lahat naman na ata ng maisip mo mabibili na dito sa pinas ....

subaru impreza wrx / sti - casa

mistubishi evo 9 rs / mr - casa

mercedes benz amg's (lahat) - can be ordered sa casa

bmw m3 m5 m6 m coupe - casa

porsche (all) - casa

ferrari (all) - casa

maserati (all) - casa

nissan 350z - casa

mitsubishi eclipse - casa

audi tt - casa

audi r8 - casa

audi s3 / rs4 / s6 / s8 - casa

jaguar xkr coupe - casa

jagura xjr - casa

range rover sport - casa

hmm ano paba ang dami e .... lahat naman talaga nilalabas sa casa ... if you have the money to spend .. 100% sure makukuha mo yung sasakyan ...

there some performance vehicles na hindi nilalabas dito pero meron like the ford focus rs, mazda speed 3, ford gt, bentley continental gt, lambo gallardo and murcielago, lotus exige, volkswagen golf gti, toyota supra, nissan skyline gtr r34, etc this just shows that if you have the money .. anything can be brought here ...

[Jun aka Pekto]

Wala nang Ford Lynx RS na brand new.
142 hp / 142 ft.lbs. of torqe, 0-100 km/h in 8.3 seconds (two shifts, mababa ang 2nd gear kasi... would be near mid-7's if the gearing were higher). It's got sports-car poise and handling, but stock power and grip aren't spectacular.

It's most comparable to the Honda Civic SiR: 160 hp / 113 ft.lbs. of torque, 0-100 km/h in 7.6 seconds. But you really need to rev it up to put any distance on the RS in highway driving.

Both are available secondhand. The RS from 450 - 550, the SiR from 350 - 450, although some people are asking a lot for pristine or well set-up versions (I've seen RS's for 600 and SiRs for 550).

Otherwise, the only casa available and semi-affordable (under or around 3 million pesos) sports cars are:

Honda Jazz 1.5 VTEC - (8.7 - 9 secs 0-100 km/h) pretty nice in MT form. Decently (not amazingly) quick, terrific handling. The car is so small you can feel all four wheels working at the road. Not a sports car, per se, but more involving than its bigger brother, the Civic.

Hyundai (Tiburon) Coupe and Coupe V6 - (10 sec / 9 sec) AT only. FWD. Kinda slow, even compared to the RS. Relatively cheap: (1.4 m for the V6)

Mazda 3 2.0R - (9.3 - 9.5 sec) Not as fast as a new Civic 2.0, but it's got better handling and better tires. Sports car handling (if not pace) at just around 1m pesos.

Mitsubishi Eclipse V6 GT - (6.5 - 7 sec) lots of nice torque, but AT only and FWD.

Mitsubishi Evo IX - (4.5 - 5.5 sec... depending on how much money you have for new clutches) available in two trims, but no warranty support.

Nissan 350Z - (6-7 sec... AT kasi) very expensive, AT only unless you ask for a special indent

Subaru WRX and STi - (6.5 sec / 5 sec) WRX is well-priced (under 2m). STi costs almost as much as the Evo.

For A/T, I rather go with a V6 sedan. A V6 Camry, V6 Azera, V6 Accord, V6 Galant, V6 Sonata. Even with A/T's, none of them are really slouches from the line, excepting of course if they come up against the likes of Subaru and Mitsu turbos. Like I said, if we decide to live there, I'd buy another V6 Sonata unless any of those other V6 sedans cost less.

[niky]

The Sonata is still probably the bargain of the lot. The new Camry costs an arm and a leg and there are reports that the electronic throttle dulls 0-100 km/h times somewhat. The Accord's price isn't bad... it's got some great pick-up and terrific steering, but the uber-fussy styling and cheap tires aren't to my taste.

[Jun aka Pekto]

The Sonata is still probably the bargain of the lot. The new Camry costs an arm and a leg and there are reports that the electronic throttle dulls 0-100 km/h times somewhat. The Accord's price isn't bad... it's got some great pick-up and terrific steering, but the uber-fussy styling and cheap tires aren't to my taste.

None of those V6 sedans are good track cars. Of course, they weren't meant to be. They're supposed to be family transportation. But, they can pull a few surprises of their own out in the street.

And you're right about mostly old people being able to afford expensive sports cars. Here, there's so many late-model Vettes I don't even bother posting them at the Cool Car Sighting thread. I can safely say that over half of those Vettes are driven by grandpas. It pains me to see such a car in the slow lane doing 60 mph in a 75 mph zone.

[rion]

Figures of stock Subaru from Discovery Channel.



kung may pera ako, ibili ko ng EK9 Civic hatch sa cebu, tapos palitan ng Type-R engine at manual tranny kung puwede...

may Type-R engine sa tsikot car finder. 250K iirc.

[GeneQuin]

what do you mean actually by performance vehicle? ... madami kasi tlaga e .. actually halos lahat naman na ata ng maisip mo mabibili na dito sa pinas ....

None of the supercars po mga sir. Kaya nabanggit ko rin na "affordable" lang. And when I say performance, hindi lang speed ang pinaguusapan, dapat as a whole package sya. Tweaked suspension, overall balance ng auto at iba pa. D kasi ako interested sa laki ng makina if it's too slow because of it's weight.

Well, it seems like, as I've said, RS Lynx and Scoobies and what not are the only "best route" to go for. Kaya pala marami akong nakita sa MOA the last time I went back home.

PS. Marami din pala akong nakitang mga kitted Civic. Do ko lang alam kung mga EK9 yun?

[niky]

Secondhand, there are lots of EK Civic hatchbacks, both Type R and the more common VTi (kitted out to look like a Type R). There's also quite a number of Integras here of varying vintages.

[GeneQuin]

Yup. Pero mga imports sila d ba? I've seen a few Tegs dati, DC2 pero la pa akong nakitang DC5 yet.

Nakita ko lang sa YT, thought I'd share it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zBZrNJLffo

[mazdamazda]

Heps... stick to the topic gentlemen. Integras, Type-Rs and SIs are grey-market imports.

BTTT

Another good sleeper is the Subaru Forester XT. C! Magazine was able to hustle it to 100kph in 6.18 seconds.

The Sonata V6 can also go to 100kph in around 7+ seconds - almost at par with the pricier Accord V6.

Though I'll throw all of these out of the window once the new Miata becomes locally available here before the year ends. 2 seats, 170hp, RWD, 50/50 weight distribution... what more can you ask for?

[drey]

The New Hyundai Tiburon.

[ghosthunter]

Aside from the obvious choices of Scoobies and Ford Lynx RS, ano pa ba ang mga available na medyo affordable sa atin ngayun? Paki include please ang mga info and stats nila tulad ng power to weight ratio, 0-60mph (0-100kph) times nila and most importantly, yung HP and Torque. Kung may mai-sasama kayong pics mas maganda

Salamat sa mga input nyo.


PS. kailangan din po pala na dapat may main dealer din sya. eg TOYOTA, HONDA...etc.

Does your choice includes cars with engine swaps done? Example, Sentra with a SR20DET engine or a Corolla with a 4AGE 20v blacktop engine.

[badkuk]

counted ba ung mazda miata? dunno if they're gonna bring the new one in though

[rion]

how about that BMW 320d sa newspaper? (not the M series?)

2.0 liter diesel 163HP/340Nm

performance car din yun diba?

ot: that Subaru Forester is awesome!

[GeneQuin]

Does your choice includes cars with engine swaps done? Example, Sentra with a SR20DET engine or a Corolla with a 4AGE 20v blacktop engine.

In standard form lang bro.

how about that BMW 320d sa newspaper? (not the M series?)

2.0 liter diesel 163HP/340Nm

performance car din yun diba?

Oh yes! Dito sa UK uso na rin yung mga performance diesels. See photos below.

Ford MONDEO ST Tdci:
http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/ford/mondeo/1153/6

Skoda Fabia VRS
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...oda_fabia.html