Performance Vehicles sa Pinas

[GeneQuin]

Aside from the obvious choices of Scoobies and Ford Lynx RS, ano pa ba ang mga available na medyo affordable sa atin ngayun? Paki include please ang mga info and stats nila tulad ng power to weight ratio, 0-60mph (0-100kph) times nila and most importantly, yung HP and Torque. Kung may mai-sasama kayong pics mas maganda

Salamat sa mga input nyo.


PS. kailangan din po pala na dapat may main dealer din sya. eg TOYOTA, HONDA...etc.

[alwayz_yummy]

mits evo 9-->casa released

eclipse v6->casa released

any BMW/benz/audi/jaguar sports cars-->indent order sa casa

civic SI (k20z3)(ung 2-door katulad kay Si_06) / ewan ko kung napapadating ng civic type-r, integra->indent order kay stand-out motors or any gray importer sa timog

ferarri/maserati--> indent order sa casa sa may ADB ave, ortigas

corvette meron sa importer malapit sa ch.2

[niky]

Wala nang Ford Lynx RS na brand new.
142 hp / 142 ft.lbs. of torqe, 0-100 km/h in 8.3 seconds (two shifts, mababa ang 2nd gear kasi... would be near mid-7's if the gearing were higher). It's got sports-car poise and handling, but stock power and grip aren't spectacular.

It's most comparable to the Honda Civic SiR: 160 hp / 113 ft.lbs. of torque, 0-100 km/h in 7.6 seconds. But you really need to rev it up to put any distance on the RS in highway driving.

Both are available secondhand. The RS from 450 - 550, the SiR from 350 - 450, although some people are asking a lot for pristine or well set-up versions (I've seen RS's for 600 and SiRs for 550).

Otherwise, the only casa available and semi-affordable (under or around 3 million pesos) sports cars are:

Honda Jazz 1.5 VTEC - (8.7 - 9 secs 0-100 km/h) pretty nice in MT form. Decently (not amazingly) quick, terrific handling. The car is so small you can feel all four wheels working at the road. Not a sports car, per se, but more involving than its bigger brother, the Civic.

Hyundai (Tiburon) Coupe and Coupe V6 - (10 sec / 9 sec) AT only. FWD. Kinda slow, even compared to the RS. Relatively cheap: (1.4 m for the V6)

Mazda 3 2.0R - (9.3 - 9.5 sec) Not as fast as a new Civic 2.0, but it's got better handling and better tires. Sports car handling (if not pace) at just around 1m pesos.

Mitsubishi Eclipse V6 GT - (6.5 - 7 sec) lots of nice torque, but AT only and FWD.

Mitsubishi Evo IX - (4.5 - 5.5 sec... depending on how much money you have for new clutches) available in two trims, but no warranty support.

Nissan 350Z - (6-7 sec... AT kasi) very expensive, AT only unless you ask for a special indent

Subaru WRX and STi - (6.5 sec / 5 sec) WRX is well-priced (under 2m). STi costs almost as much as the Evo.

[GeneQuin]

These "affordable" performance cars aren't suppose to have AUTO box IMHO opinion. Parang binawasan nila yung driver involvement with the car. Pero, I guess these people really knows what they're doing at pinag-aralan nang mabuti yung target market nila. Otherwise, di sila makakabenta ng marami.

Anyway, sa lahat siguro ng nabanggit, para sa akin ang pinaka complete packaged is the Lynx RS. Combination of all sorts really, 4 doors(good space), decent speed, affordability and road presence.

Dun sa iba kasi maganda nga, mabagal naman or mabilis nga, masyado namang mahal! At yung SIR naman, correct me if I'm wrong, medyo outdated na sya against sa RS? Or am I talking nonsense here?

I am a fan of RS's to be honest, muntik ko nang kunin yung FOCUS RS kung nabigyan sana ako ng magandang deal pero since hindi nangyari yun, napunta ako sa 2nd choice ko na Civic Type-R. Wala namang regrets kasi I just love my car to bits.

And BTW, *Niky: these V-tec machines doesn't have to be in wide open roads/highways just to put distance on your RS (provided they're both standard) although you're right when you said that you have to rev the nuts out of it. Kasi nga, sinadya talaga syang maging ganun.

I had a go with lots of other turbo'd cars here tulad ng modified MR2 turbo and even my brother's 260-280 bhp (approx.) Subaru WRX Impreza. Halos lahat sila mauuna lang ng kaunti pero when I hit the V-tec zone (less than a second to reach), lahat sila kayang iwanan. Pero I have to be honest, hindi ko talaga kaya yung utol kong talunin...hehehe pero atleast d nya ako maiwan-iwan.

below are some videos ng CTR against other cars like the 350Z at iba pa.

CTR against Focus RS and Seat Leon Cupra R
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeHY69gweKU

Vs. 350Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA85egqUWc8

Acceleration vid in MPH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfZKQPY9Qd8

[Jun aka Pekto]

Hmmm. I didn't know the 2007 Mitsu Eclipse GT is sold over there. I expected more from a car with 263hp/260lb-ft torque.

[niky]

RE: RS... that's against local VTECs. Obviously, I don't stand a chance in hell against a full-on Type-R... ...but the local SiR is the regular B16A, which has a lower specific output. I've still to confirm it with a re-dyno, but my car has dyno'd very close to an SiR with the same mods.

With regards to handling, the EK Civic's steering is a little less involved than the Lynx/Protege's, and there's more tip-in understeer due to the longer wheelbase. The Lynx also has a somewhat stiffer chassis, and is much more buttoned down on the racetrack.
Yes, the SiR is about one generation older than the Lynx, but I've often regarded that generation (the last of the double-wishbone Civics) as the high-water mark for Civics (although the Type Rs that came after are still good). The SiR still drives well despite the softer set-up. But modified versus modified or modified versus Type-R, I haven't had the chance to find out. It's encouraging, though, that some US testers have compared the US version of this vehicle to the Honda Integra in terms of handling... one of the main reasons I opted for this vehicle over the other choices at that time.


RE: Eclipse GT: those are estimates. Manufacturer's figures are at 7 flat for the AT, but it's possible that you could get much better times with a broken-in engine in good weather.

RE: ATs... can't help that. In a small market like this, the tax premium padded onto "luxury cars" is huge. Thus, while your average middle-class enthusiast might actually realistically purchase an Eclipse or a 350Z in the US, in the Philippines, they're toys for the rich (or at least moderately so). Thus, the mean age of buyer who can afford these cars brand new is some ten to twenty years older than the US. Combine their older, more arthritic knees with the horrible traffic here, and you can see why automakers prefer bringing in the AT versions for cars that will never sell more than a handful.

EDIT: BTW, this doesn't apply to the Evo and the Rex... no way in heck are you getting your average 50 year old into one of those bewinged monsters... ...and those who are willing to are often willing to put up with shifting for themselves.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Wala nang Ford Lynx RS na brand new.
142 hp / 142 ft.lbs. of torqe, 0-100 km/h in 8.3 seconds (two shifts, mababa ang 2nd gear kasi... would be near mid-7's if the gearing were higher). It's got sports-car poise and handling, but stock power and grip aren't spectacular.

It's most comparable to the Honda Civic SiR: 160 hp / 113 ft.lbs. of torque, 0-100 km/h in 7.6 seconds. But you really need to rev it up to put any distance on the RS in highway driving.

Both are available secondhand. The RS from 450 - 550, the SiR from 350 - 450, although some people are asking a lot for pristine or well set-up versions (I've seen RS's for 600 and SiRs for 550).

Otherwise, the only casa available and semi-affordable (under or around 3 million pesos) sports cars are:

Honda Jazz 1.5 VTEC - (8.7 - 9 secs 0-100 km/h) pretty nice in MT form. Decently (not amazingly) quick, terrific handling. The car is so small you can feel all four wheels working at the road. Not a sports car, per se, but more involving than its bigger brother, the Civic.

Hyundai (Tiburon) Coupe and Coupe V6 - (10 sec / 9 sec) AT only. FWD. Kinda slow, even compared to the RS. Relatively cheap: (1.4 m for the V6)

Mazda 3 2.0R - (9.3 - 9.5 sec) Not as fast as a new Civic 2.0, but it's got better handling and better tires. Sports car handling (if not pace) at just around 1m pesos.

Mitsubishi Eclipse V6 GT - (6.5 - 7 sec) lots of nice torque, but AT only and FWD.

Mitsubishi Evo IX - (4.5 - 5.5 sec... depending on how much money you have for new clutches) available in two trims, but no warranty support.

Nissan 350Z - (6-7 sec... AT kasi) very expensive, AT only unless you ask for a special indent

Subaru WRX and STi - (6.5 sec / 5 sec) WRX is well-priced (under 2m). STi costs almost as much as the Evo.

For A/T, I rather go with a V6 sedan. A V6 Camry, V6 Azera, V6 Accord, V6 Galant, V6 Sonata. Even with A/T's, none of them are really slouches from the line, excepting of course if they come up against the likes of Subaru and Mitsu turbos. Like I said, if we decide to live there, I'd buy another V6 Sonata unless any of those other V6 sedans cost less.

[niky]

The Sonata is still probably the bargain of the lot. The new Camry costs an arm and a leg and there are reports that the electronic throttle dulls 0-100 km/h times somewhat. The Accord's price isn't bad... it's got some great pick-up and terrific steering, but the uber-fussy styling and cheap tires aren't to my taste.

[Jun aka Pekto]

The Sonata is still probably the bargain of the lot. The new Camry costs an arm and a leg and there are reports that the electronic throttle dulls 0-100 km/h times somewhat. The Accord's price isn't bad... it's got some great pick-up and terrific steering, but the uber-fussy styling and cheap tires aren't to my taste.

None of those V6 sedans are good track cars. Of course, they weren't meant to be. They're supposed to be family transportation. But, they can pull a few surprises of their own out in the street.

And you're right about mostly old people being able to afford expensive sports cars. Here, there's so many late-model Vettes I don't even bother posting them at the Cool Car Sighting thread. I can safely say that over half of those Vettes are driven by grandpas. It pains me to see such a car in the slow lane doing 60 mph in a 75 mph zone.

[ghosthunter]

Aside from the obvious choices of Scoobies and Ford Lynx RS, ano pa ba ang mga available na medyo affordable sa atin ngayun? Paki include please ang mga info and stats nila tulad ng power to weight ratio, 0-60mph (0-100kph) times nila and most importantly, yung HP and Torque. Kung may mai-sasama kayong pics mas maganda

Salamat sa mga input nyo.


PS. kailangan din po pala na dapat may main dealer din sya. eg TOYOTA, HONDA...etc.

Does your choice includes cars with engine swaps done? Example, Sentra with a SR20DET engine or a Corolla with a 4AGE 20v blacktop engine.

[badkuk]

counted ba ung mazda miata? dunno if they're gonna bring the new one in though

[rion]

how about that BMW 320d sa newspaper? (not the M series?)

2.0 liter diesel 163HP/340Nm

performance car din yun diba?

ot: that Subaru Forester is awesome!

[GeneQuin]

Does your choice includes cars with engine swaps done? Example, Sentra with a SR20DET engine or a Corolla with a 4AGE 20v blacktop engine.

In standard form lang bro.

how about that BMW 320d sa newspaper? (not the M series?)

2.0 liter diesel 163HP/340Nm

performance car din yun diba?

Oh yes! Dito sa UK uso na rin yung mga performance diesels. See photos below.

Ford MONDEO ST Tdci:
http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/ford/mondeo/1153/6

Skoda Fabia VRS
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...oda_fabia.html

[A121]

In standard form lang bro.




Oh yes! Dito sa UK uso na rin yung mga performance diesels. See photos below.

Ford MONDEO ST Tdci:
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...o_st_tdci.html

Skoda Fabia VRS
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carrevi...oda_fabia.html

does an owner type jeep with an SR20DET count?

[Jun aka Pekto]

Sorry for the OT post. But, that was just to illustrate performance in the track does not necessarily equate to an advantage on the street.

Anyway here's some numbers. HP to weight ratio doesn't necessarily mean anything with other factors to consider such as transmission, gearing, power delivery, etc. Turbos further complicate matters in its favor. But here:

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Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 2.0L I-4 Turbo 286hp (1:11.3) 3219 lbs
Subaru Impreza STi 2.5L I-4 Turbo 293hp (1:11.4) 3351 lbs
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Subaru Impreza WRX 2.5L I-4 Turbo 234hp (1:13.9) 3192 lbs
Subaru Legacy GT 2.5L I-4 Turbo 243hp (1:14.1) 3415 lbs
Subaru Forester 2.5XT 2.5L I-4 Turbo 224hp (1:15.0) 3360 lbs
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Toyota Camry 3.5L V6 268hp (1:12.9) 3461 lbs
Hyundai Azera 3.8L V6 263hp (1:13.8) 3629 lbs
Mitsubishi Eclipse 3.8L V6 268hp (1:13.0) 3472 lbs
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Honda Accord 3.0L V6 244hp (1:13.5) 3371 lbs
Mitsubishi Galant 3.8L V6 230hp (1:15.7) 3616 lbs
Hyundai Sonata 3.3L V6 235hp (1:14.7) 3458 lbs
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Ford Lynx RS 2.0L I-4 142hp (1:19.1) 2717 lbs
Honda SiR 1.6L I-4 160hp (1:16.3) 2600 lbs

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[///MPower]

Sorry for the OT post. But, that was just to illustrate performance in the track does not necessarily equate to an advantage on the street.

Anyway here's some numbers. HP to weight ratio doesn't necessarily mean anything with other factors to consider such as transmission, gearing, power delivery, etc. Turbos further complicate matters in its favor.

That's not the point. A V12 S-Class could destroy a Civic Type R both on and off the track. Does that make it a performance car? Of course not. Having the ability to hang with, or even kill, another vehicle does not automatically make such a car a performance car. There's a difference between fast cars and performance cars.

A performance car is one that has been engineered with pure driving performance as a priority. Whether or not said engineering lives up to its intentions is an entirely different issue.

I'm not trying to be a snob or anything, but let's get this straight: A performance car is not simply a car with good power-to-weight ratios. Camries, Accords, and Galants are not performance cars. They may be relatively quick, but their primary purpose is not performance. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

[///MPower]

mercedes benz amg's (lahat) - can be ordered sa casa
bmw m3 m5 m6 m coupe - casa
porsche (all) - casa
ferrari (all) - casa
maserati (all) - casa
...

And these are affordable how?

The only true cars that are both "affordable" and "performance" would be the Lancer Evo or the WRX. Even then, these do not come cheap. Maybe an RS or a Civic Type R, but you'd be better off spending the money on the first two.

A BMW 320d is hardly a performance car. Being a luxury sedan, it has soft suspension, is heavy as hell, and the engine is puny. I have no idea what would make anyone think this was a performance car. And a Range Rover Sport? Are you kidding me? No SUV will ever be a performance car, not even the formidable G55 or the drool inducing Porsche Cayenne S Turbo. Having a giant engine and slightly stiffer suspension does not suddenly negate physics and the tendency for top heavy cars to roll.

I guess my point is, if you're going to say any car with a larger than normal engine (not a huge feat in most of southeast asia) or "sport package" is a performance vehicle, then almost anything is going to be. This is the same kind of logic that compels people to attach rear spoilers to FWD vehicles and slap a Type R sticker onto a Toyota.

[kmo]

And these are affordable how?

The only true cars that are both "affordable" and "performance" would be the Lancer Evo or the WRX. Even then, these do not come cheap. Maybe an RS or a Civic Type R, but you'd be better off spending the money on the first two.

A BMW 320d is hardly a performance car. Being a luxury sedan, it has soft suspension, is heavy as hell, and the engine is puny. I have no idea what would make anyone think this was a performance car. And a Range Rover Sport? Are you kidding me? No SUV will ever be a performance car, not even the formidable G55 or the drool inducing Porsche Cayenne S Turbo. Having a giant engine and slightly stiffer suspension does not suddenly negate physics and the tendency for top heavy cars to roll.

I guess my point is, if you're going to say any car with a larger than normal engine (not a huge feat in most of southeast asia) or "sport package" is a performance vehicle, then almost anything is going to be. This is the same kind of logic that compels people to attach rear spoilers to FWD vehicles and slap a Type R sticker onto a Toyota.

the range rover sport, the amg g55 and the porsche cayenne S turbo ARE PERFORMANCE fine not cars but SUVs ... then why did they ever created these special models if not for performance? there is a normal range rover which is bigger, a normal g-wagen and a normal cayenne but why release special models like these? its for performance and for those who wants the performance and speed of a sports car but in a body of an suv ...

tpos you call the rs and type R and evo as performance cars e ganun din yun e the RS is a lynx with a 2.0 engine the type r is a civic with a slightly stronger engine and the evo, a lancer with turbo and awd

same banana to the suvs mentioned above e halos lahat naman talaga ng performance vehicles are normal cars that are slapped with bigger or stronger engine e

[Jun aka Pekto]

I was going with the original post of power to weight ratio, 0-60, hp/torque. Those alone would include a lot of street cars which may not be track cars and vice versa.

Where I am, not being a track car is not a big disadvantage if we're talking about mainly driving on the street.

I noticed on one of the videos that there's a Ford Focus SVT being reviewed. It's a fine track car. In a race track, it'll leave my ponderous V6 Sonata behind. But out in the street, that's simply not the case.

I know that firsthand because about a year ago, I chased one down after its driver (front of me, offset to the left) decided to spin its wheels and sent rocks flying into my hood and front glass. He tried weaving in and out of traffic and I was right there on his tail. He also tried slowing down and then trying to suddenly accelerate away. No dice. I was riding his bumper until he finally gave up. He raised his hands and feinted innocence. He knew what he did. The thud of that rock was so loud I thought it broke the glass.

It's only afterwards I analyzed closely what I did. I successfully chased down a car with great handling and decent power to weight ratio in a family car with a (probably) better power to weight ratio but much poorer handling.

Of course, I've been on the wrong end as well. Years ago, I thought I could leave all cars behind with my turbo Laser. Imagine my surprise when a souped up pickup truck (modded Chevy 454 SS) rode my tail and made life miserable for me. That brought me down to earth really fast and made me decide that out in the street, a track car isn't that important. And that was at a time when the DSM (Talon, Eclipse, Laser) cars were winning in Showroom Stock races.

[GeneQuin]

I noticed on one of the videos that there's a Ford Focus SVT being reviewed. It's a fine track car. In a race track, it'll leave my ponderous V6 Sonata behind. But out in the street, that's simply not the case.

OT side: apologies mods if you'd consider this as one.

I would just like to point out that the car mentioned on the vid I have provided was a FOCUS RS (212 bhp Duratec Turbo engine) which has only been available for the EU market only. I did google about FOCUS SVT and this is it's counterpart here in Europe:
http://www.channel4.com/4car/di/road...pression/834/5

http://www.forddesktops.com/show.asp..._2001_01_b.jpg