Electric cars head toward another dead end

**Altis6453** · September 11th, 2013 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

But in the end, you are still paying upfront for the cost of having two systems in your car. The only "advantage" you get is the lowered emissions but you will never achieve ROI (return of investment) in a reasonable period of time.

The practical person would still want a hybrid car that costs similar to a petrol fueled car so he can save on the cost of fuel every time he drives it. Unless that is achieved, hybrids and electric cars will be toys for the people who can afford it.

Which is why hybrids or electric-powered cars will never supplant gas-fed vehicles, especially in the developing markets. I can only imagine the kind of infrastructure it'll take to have charging stations scattered all over the country.

**ghosthunter** · September 11th, 2013 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Altis6453

Which is why hybrids or electric-powered cars will never supplant gas-fed vehicles, especially in the developing markets. I can only imagine the kind of infrastructure it'll take to have charging stations scattered all over the country.

The only practical electric vehicle currently available to the common man would be the electric motorcycle or electric scooter. These are cheap enough to be competitive against their gas powered versions, have practical range and can be recharged overnight from a wall outlet. Even two of our office staff who live in the area rides e-scooters between home and work. They say it is much cheaper than using their gas powered scooters. Of course, they have not yet factored the cost of a replacement battery. I am jsut waiting to see how long the original battery lasts.

**s10pao** · September 11th, 2013 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

The only practical electric vehicle currently available to the common man would be the electric motorcycle or electric scooter. These are cheap enough to be competitive against their gas powered versions, have practical range and can be recharged overnight from a wall outlet. Even two of our office staff who live in the area rides e-scooters between home and work. They say it is much cheaper than using their gas powered scooters. Of course, they have not yet factored the cost of a replacement battery. I am jsut waiting to see how long the original battery lasts.

magkano ung mga electric powered scooters?

**ghosthunter** · September 11th, 2013 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by s10pao

magkano ung mga electric powered scooters?

Decent styled e-scooters are around P20K and up although you can get them for as low as P12K if you are not too choosy.

CDRKING even sells them as low as P8K.

The more expensive ones look like regular gas-fueled scooters.

BTW, from what I read, no need for license and registration for e-scooters.

**KIANTOT** · September 11th, 2013 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

It's not only the range per charge, it is also the amount of time needed to recharge a fully discharged battery. It takes many hours to get it to a reasonable level of charge. Compare that to only taking a few minutes to fully refuel a standard gasoline/diesel fueled car.

Yes ito yung issue sa mga electric cars, mas convinient pa din kase yung gasoline/diesel fueled cars, much more important yung time na wala ka na iintindihin sa charging. even yung price ng mga electric vehicles, for example yung 1 electic bus almost 6 times yung price compare sa fueled bus.

Kung pwede kaya na "self charging" na hindi na kailngan mag stop para mag recharge, equipped with powerful alternator

**s10pao** · September 11th, 2013 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Decent styled e-scooters are around P20K and up although you can get them for as low as P12K if you are not too choosy.

CDRKING even sells them as low as P8K.

The more expensive ones look like regular gas-fueled scooters.

BTW, from what I read, no need for license and registration for e-scooters.

hehehe pwede kaya ito idaan sa EDSA?

**ghosthunter** · September 11th, 2013 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by s10pao

hehehe pwede kaya ito idaan sa EDSA?

Only if you have a death wish.

**Ry_Tower** · September 11th, 2013 06:00 PM

Undecided ko dito pero for me it looks like hybrid is the way to go talaga.

**ghosthunter** · September 11th, 2013 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Ry_Tower

Undecided ko dito pero for me it looks like hybrid is the way to go talaga.

The main problem with hybrids is the upfront cost of the vehicle because it will be equipped with two separate power systems. If you compromise on the power system to lower the cost, you end up compromising the vehicle's performance which lowers the appeal to potential buys to only a few "greenies".

**niky** · September 11th, 2013 07:27 PM

The replacement batteries for e-scooters should be cheap. The smaller ones still use lead-acid batteries, so it's not going to be expensive.

That's the secret to electric transport. Don't try to make them fit into the same box as the gasoline car. Too big, too heavy, too expensive. Use them as lightweight inner city transport, and that's where they'll work.

Funnily enough, after Typhoon Maring, a lot of the e-scooters were out and running the very next day.