Car TRUE value? how much is your car without markup?

[oj88]

Car dealers have very little margin in the sale of any car. They get most of their revenues from the services they offer (PMS, mechanical/body repairs, parts, fluids, etc.) Besides, they will only refer you to a dealer if you need to purchase a car. This is to protect their dealers.

Think of printers. You can get a printer for as little as 1.5-2k. It it's the sale of consumables like ink, toner, printhead, imaging drum, etc. is where they get most of their revenues from.

[machine.pistol]

Admin. Bantay ha. Ayaw ko ng gulo.
Sir diba may mga planta naman dito sa pinas? Dito na assemble.

Automobile manufacturers like Mitsubishi Motor Phils are almost 100% foreign owned. Such companies are not allowed to engage in retail business such as car dealerships.

That's why cars have to be sold by dealers that are mostly Filipino owned.

Car dealerships use the brand only under license from the foreign manufacturer.

[SkyFlakes88]

Ang 600k daw na car e pag kinuha sa planta e 450k lang daw yan..

Ang nag papataas po talaga nang presyo nang brand new na kotse is yun pong TAXES na pinapatong nang gobyerno po

[dct]

I think for everyone especially the moderators who are seeing this thread, we have to at least have a consensus about what happens to threads like these.

To at least honor his statement with a reply, *philsat, kakabanggit mo lang, assemble. It is completely different from manufacturing which quite frankly we do not do. Most of the vehicles we get here are either CKD or CBU. So taxes and margins still apply. Wala tayong start from scratch dito, unless you count jeepneys with rebuilt engines. So before you say na dapat pwede makakuha direct sa planta ang isang buyer (in our market conditions na walang manufacturing ng parts) better study up first.

Anyway, if no one is against this idea. Let's give this thread 24 hours to see if there is any development of addition more enlightening info than just hearsay and statements that are not thought out.

If there is no more productive info arriving then we can close this thread because tax rates are mostly fixed til 2018 for the excise tax as per the agreements, e-VAT is not being discussed for increase or decrease for this item and there really won't be any car executive who will contest or divulge contrary information to the Honda Exec who mentioned the 6%.

Everyone cool with that idea?

Cheers!

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I think for everyone especially the moderators who are seeing this thread, we have to at least have a consensus about what happens to threads like these.

To at least honor his statement with a reply, *philsat, kakabanggit mo lang, assemble. It is completely different from manufacturing which quite frankly we do not do. Most of the vehicles we get here are either CKD or CBU. So taxes and margins still apply. Wala tayong start from scratch dito, unless you count jeepneys with rebuilt engines. So before you say na dapat pwede makakuha direct sa planta ang isang buyer (in our market conditions na walang manufacturing ng parts) better study up first.

Anyway, if no one is against this idea. Let's give this thread 24 hours to see if there is any development of addition more enlightening info than just hearsay and statements that are not thought out.

If there is no more productive info arriving then we can close this thread because tax rates are mostly fixed til 2018 for the excise tax as per the agreements, e-VAT is not being discussed for increase or decrease for this item and there really won't be any car executive who will contest or divulge contrary information to the Honda Exec who mentioned the 6%.

Everyone cool with that idea?

Cheers!

Kaya nga mas mabuting i-ban na sya e. Full of non sense stuff sya. Gagawa ng thread, makikipagaway, close thread, gagawa ulit thread

[robgowild]

Kaya nga mas mabuting i-ban na sya e. Full of non sense stuff sya. Gagawa ng thread, makikipagaway, close thread, gagawa ulit thread

As what I see, hindi naman si TS ang nakikipag away kundi yung mga nag rereact sa mga reply nya.

[dct]

As what I see, hindi naman si TS ang nakikipag away kundi yung mga nag rereact sa mga reply nya.

Kasi di ata alam ni ts na nonsense mga tanong nya. O nananadya lng talaga. Kaya nagtatalo

[patricksee]

Everything you buy is from a profit company. Ultimo yosi or candy e. Kahit sa planta mo binili, may markup to cover their expenses plus ung bayad sa effort na ginawa nila.

Small time yan. Then imagine it on a large scale. If candy, bbilhin mo ng piso, ibbenta mo ng 2pesos e may karapatan mag 100% markup, kotse pa kaya. ;)

Selling goods or cars in this case, without markup, is like working for free.

[jut703]

Sa totoo lang, yung OP naman is a sensible question. And so far, yung reply ni philsat hindi naman out of line.

Ang napapansin ko lang, automatic na aggressive ang mga sagot ng ibang tao. Oo siguro tanga yung dating sa inyo ni philsat, pero nagmumukha rin kayong tanga kakapatol.

Ang problema lang kay philsat dito parang paulit ulit eh. Ok nasabi mo na na 450k ang cost ng 600k SRP car according to your friend. Ok tama na, wag paulit ulit kasi naiinis mga tao sa paulit ulit.

Gusto niyo ban kagad. Try niyo kaya magpigil kaysa makikielam pa mod para lang macontrol kayo. Malapit nang maban yang si philsat kung manggugulo pa siya uli, but it doesn't help na lahat nalang ng bagay pupunahin niyo sa kanya.

[philsat]

Kaya nga mas mabuting i-ban na sya e. Full of non sense stuff sya. Gagawa ng thread, makikipagaway, close thread, gagawa ulit thread

Nonses po ba? Nag tanong ba ako? Try to read po whole page.. Nonsense ba na malaman natin ang whole markup of dealer and manufacturer. Maybe on you. Bayad ka ng bayad na hindi mo alam ang posible markup ng isang store sa binibili mo.. Kung nonses sayo ang topic. Wag ka po sumagot. You look nonsense to me.

Admin paki bigyan nga ng warning ito.
Nakaka sira lang ng topic.

[philsat]

As what I see, hindi naman si TS ang nakikipag away kundi yung mga nag rereact sa mga reply nya.

Actually sir e hindi ko talaga ugali makipag away. Sports naman akong kausap. Maybe my brain is different to them.. Hindi maiiwan na masagasaan ang paniniwala.. Midyo mahilig ako sa debate and mahirap ako matalo diyan for sure.

Yan ang problem sa normal na pinoy. Pag may nakita silang mas mataas sa kanila e sisiraan na.. Sad to say guys e hindi na ako na aapiktuhan ng negative comment. Actually natatawa pa nga ako.. I know my self and my achievement.

Kung wala sa level ng company owner or investor ang pupuna sa akin e malamang hindi ako makikinig...

[_Cathy_]

Nonses po ba? Nag tanong ba ako? Try to read po whole page.. Nonsense ba na malaman natin ang whole markup of dealer and manufacturer. Maybe on you. Bayad ka ng bayad na hindi mo alam ang posible markup ng isang store sa binibili mo.. Kung nonses sayo ang topic. Wag ka po sumagot. You look nonsense to me.

Admin paki bigyan nga ng warning ito.
Nakaka sira lang ng topic.

We are not here to babysit members. I already gave you a warning on name calling.

[philsat]

Sa totoo lang, yung OP naman is a sensible question. And so far, yung reply ni philsat hindi naman out of line.

Ang napapansin ko lang, automatic na aggressive ang mga sagot ng ibang tao. Oo siguro tanga yung dating sa inyo ni philsat, pero nagmumukha rin kayong tanga kakapatol.

Ang problema lang kay philsat dito parang paulit ulit eh. Ok nasabi mo na na 450k ang cost ng 600k SRP car according to your friend. Ok tama na, wag paulit ulit kasi naiinis mga tao sa paulit ulit.

Gusto niyo ban kagad. Try niyo kaya magpigil kaysa makikielam pa mod para lang macontrol kayo. Malapit nang maban yang si philsat kung manggugulo pa siya uli, but it doesn't help na lahat nalang ng bagay pupunahin niyo sa kanya.

As normal filipino..
If mas magaling ka sa akin e hahanap ako ng way para maging mas magaling ako sayo. Haha.

Problem kaysa mag upgrade ng sarili e sisiraan na lang niya ang kalaban para bumaksak.

.. Kaya mabagal umunlad ang pinas dahil sa mga ganyang tao. Haha..

[cast_no_shadow]

Actually sir e hindi ko talaga ugali makipag away. Sports naman akong kausap. Maybe my brain is different to them.. Hindi maiiwan na masagasaan ang paniniwala.. Midyo mahilig ako sa debate and mahirap ako matalo diyan for sure.

Yan ang problem sa normal na pinoy. Pag may nakita silang mas mataas sa kanila e sisiraan na.. Sad to say guys e hindi na ako na aapiktuhan ng negative comment. Actually natatawa pa nga ako.. I know my self and my achievement.

Kung wala sa level ng company owner or investor ang pupuna sa akin e malamang hindi ako makikinig...

Midyo mahangin dito ah.

We are not here to babysit members. I already gave you a warning on name calling.

Cathy pasok ka ba sa qualification para punahin siya?

[jut703]

That's it philsat. We already gave you enough warnings.

Your mentality of "if mas magaling ka sakin maghahanap ako ng way na mas maging magaling sayo" isn't constructive at all. You can't seem to grasp the idea of just letting go. You say you're a good debater but your manner of arguing is awful and out of line.

Pinagbigyan ka na ilang beses pero any chance na makapagprovoke ng ibang tao, you take it.

Disagreements happen in the forums every single day. I've been here in Tsikot for almost a decade and I know the difference between an intellectual argument and senseless provocation driven by ego. Your posts are always more of the latter.

[philsat]

We are not here to babysit members. I already gave you a warning on name calling.

May warning nanaman ako. Hehe..
Pag ako nag comment may warning.

Ok. You are the boss..

Sana matapos ko ang study and theory ko before ako ma ban. Hehe..

[philsat]

That's it philsat. We already gave you enough warnings.

Your mentality of "if mas magaling ka sakin maghahanap ako ng way na mas maging magaling sayo" isn't constructive at all. You can't seem to grasp the idea of just letting go. You say you're a good debater but your manner of arguing is awful and out of line.

Pinagbigyan ka na ilang beses pero any chance na makapagprovoke ng ibang tao, you take it.

Disagreements happen in the forums every single day. I've been here in Tsikot for almost a decade and I know the difference between an intellectual argument and senseless provocation driven by ego. Your posts are always more of the latter.

Sir paki basa ulit ang buong forum topic.
Tignan mo ang mga manners ng mga member mo.. I think they want to prove na mas magaling sa akin.. Hehe. Paki tignan kung saan nag simula.

As normal filipino. Hindi sarili ko ang tinutukoy ko. Kaya i naiitindihan ko sila kung bakit sila ganyan sa akin.. Ayaw nila maramdaman na may mas mataas sa kanila.

[testament11]

Huwaw, kelangan boss/amo/CEO level pala ang dapat lang makipag-usap ke philsat! Deym!!!

Paano kung sabihin ko na karamihan ng members dito eh hindi lang mga ordinary car enthusiasts at mga successful persons kami in real life?

Mukhang si shadow lang ang makakatapat nito dito sa tsikot

[cast_no_shadow]

Sir paki basa ulit ang buong forum topic.
Tignan mo ang mga manners ng mga member mo.. I think they want to prove na mas magaling sa akin.. Hehe. Paki tignan kung saan nag simula.

As normal filipino. Hindi sarili ko ang tinutukoy ko. Kaya i naiitindihan ko sila kung bakit sila ganyan sa akin.. Ayaw nila maramdaman na may mas mataas sa kanila.

Maybe you need a professional help already.

Have your head checked. Too much hallucination.

[17Sphynx17]

*philsat, kung iniintindi mo kasi mismo yung topic mo mismo na binubuksan o yung sinisimulan mo na usapan, sana naman may nadampot ka na na info na tama. Kaso ayaw mo kasi intindihin kaya wala pinatutunguhan.

Binasa mo ba post ko o hindi mo naintindihan?

Yung sinasabi mo 600k php SRP na 450k php ang value is how many percent? That is 75% or SRP.

Panu siya nagapply sa pinost ko n may kinalaman sa excise tax? Simple, yung value ng car falls under a lower bracket (kung binasa mo sana naintindihan mo kaagad, hindi paulit ulit yung usapan). 2% lang excise tax niya instead of yung between sub 1mphp na inassume ko 900k SRP na 6.5% ang excise tax.

So there is a more or less difference of 4.5% on excise tax alone, followed by a smaller footprint to store the equipment as well as most likely smaller chassis hence allowing for shipping more in the same volume container.

But for arguments sake, dun sa assumption na na 60-65% yung value ng car from the factory, we can add 5% so that falls in line with a 65% to 70% for the sub 500k php value car (not SRP).

At 600k php SRP, 70% is about 420k, close to your figure already. So gets mo na ba?

Hindi kelangan paulit ulit, binigay na nga sa iyo yung research ala spoon feeding, hindi mo naman inintindi e di nasayang lang.

Pano yung discrepancy sa 30k then? That's where the variance comes in as we don't know complete details of every dealer in the land. But it gives you already the idea. But I would more or less understand if the profit margin is higher than 6% as the peso value is lower for this price point.

So stop repeating, the answer is already in this thread.

IF you really wanted to learn, you will read and UNDERSTAND what is being said. Hindi read and REJECT.

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[jaggerx3]

I vote for ban. Philstat. You are a disaster sa tsikot ngayong week.
Hirap sayo eh bibingyan ka na ng information yung maling ideya mo pa rin pinipilit mo.