bullet proof cars anyone?

[cutedoc]

while watching the news on channel 2, they featured a newest way to coat the glass of your car making them bullet proof, it'll cost you 50,000-70,000 not bad=)

they did several test as featured the glass didnt shatter, theres this glue like mkaterial that holds them...

[CaRGirL]

for me, parang mas applicable lang ang magpa-bulletproof kung tipong politiko or sobrang mayaman ka e. wala lang. parang wala sya masyadong purpose kung isang ordinaryong tao ka lang. hehe

[OTEP]

I forgot the website. Pero parang Liveraide at Circulan iyan...ang gaganda ng ads pero sa huli...NO THERAPEUTIC CLAIMS!!!

I've checked the website (nasa PC sa Caloocan, sorry). These laminates are not bulletproof nor bombproof. They are only shatter resistant. They can only handle VERY small firearms fired from a distance as well as a variety of handheld weapons commonly used by street thugs (bats, crowbars, etc.) and for a limited time only. These things will not hold up in a sustained attack.

Also, threats can just shoot through the sheet metal of your vehicle since it is not armored. The roof, and door jambs are favorite spots (hence the advent of 'overlap armor' on door jambs of true armored vehicles).

Not really worth it for me. If there is a clear and present danger to you or your family, a real armored vehicle (even a used one) and a good security detail is still the best option.

Channel 2 likes to promote stuff that don't really work as advertised. Khaos, anyone?

Image of overlap armor:


Link (Armored Toyota Land Cruiser surviving Iraqi IED and high powered rifles): http://www.worldwidearmor.com/iac_inIraq.html

[KrisKros]

If you're paranoid about someone shooting at you...or if you just wanna feel super safe, i guess u can do it. In most cases, if you're wealthy and you've got enemies n need a bullet proof car for protection, then its time to change zip codes.

But our taxes that we pay will probably go into bullet proofing to protect those who we'd want to have dead... dirty politicians.

[ILuvDetailing]

IMO Bulletproof isn't the correct term, an "armored" car only buys you time to get out of an ambush or attack, it won't protect you from high powered ammo.

[ghosthunter]

IMO Bulletproof isn't the correct term, an "armored" car only buys you time to get out of an ambush or attack, it won't protect you from high powered ammo.

exactly! ... an armoured car only buys the occupant additional time for him to get away as compared to an unprotected car.

[karl88]

the armoured car of a business tycoon was so heavy that despite its big engine, it had a hard time going up the parking ramp in our building.

the driver told us that aside from all the glass panels, the doors, roof, hood, and the flooring have armor plates. and it also has run flat tires.

hmmm, i wonder if his choppers have that kind of protection also.

[redorange]

while watching the news on channel 2, they featured a newest way to coat the glass of your car making them bullet proof, it'll cost you 50,000-70,000 not bad=)

they did several test as featured the glass didnt shatter, theres this glue like mkaterial that holds them...

There really isn't such a thing as a bulletproof glass, all are just bullet resistant. At the monment the US military is looking at using a strike plake made of aluminium oxynitride which is lighter than currently used methods of bullet resistant glass. Check out this linkhttp://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot6.htm that shows 12 gauge slug going through a bullet resistant glass.

[userfriendly]

Yep, a 12 guage slug will go through a lot of things. And you are correct that there is no such thing as bullet proof, the correct termm is bullet resistant.

I actually inquired about the possibility of distributing a so called bullet reistant laminate. After several long emails, the manufacturer admitted that their product will not stop bullets when installed on car glass. The reason being that the laminate needs to be applied to at least 1/2 or 1 inch glass (I forgot which on as it was years ago) to become bullet resistant. Car glass is only about 1/4 inch or less. However, they claimed that it does resist bullets from .22 to .357 and 12 guage buckshot when applied to the appropriate glass thickness. Was not able to test for myself though.

[cubone143]

Well If You Think You Need Bulletproof Well Thats Good/ But Kung Wala K Lng Magawa And You Just Need To Have A Bulletproof Car Okey Din Siguradong Magandang Yan Car N Yan. Kung Ngets Its Not Worth It Wala Naman Cacarnap Eh. Kidding Aside. Im Interested Sa Run Flat Lng. At Least I Can Get Away Easily Pag Me Nangharang

[3ple4]

May nakita akong bagong company offering bullet proof laminates ata yun. I think it's imported from the U.S.

Ace Security Laminates
892 3801
817 1926
local 510 (Beth ata yung in charge)

The office is just located along Amorsolo St, Makati City.

I think with CTK, Inc.... ang bullet proof nila ay yung window itself, right?

[OTEP]

Those laminates cannot substitute for real transparent armor. Period.

http://www.usace.com/

ACE/Security Laminates™
Are Not Bullet, Bomb or Break-in Proof
ACE/Security Laminates™ does not pretend that its products are bullet, bomb or break-in proof. There is no such safety film or security laminate on the market.

[OTEP]

And when selecting an armored vehicle, try to choose one that has at least some craftsmanship and quality in it. Got this from AI:

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The most graceful way of installing transparent armor. Just slap it on top of the standard glass!


How about overlap armor with exposed mounting hardware? The overlap armor does not even run on the sides of the ceiling. A potenial weak area.


Are the windshield and front windows even armored?


Maybe this is one of the less expensive models. I wonder what company made this mess? I don't even want to know if they armored the floor, roof and rear glass. hehehe.

[C24]

although the effectivity of the laminate is not that desirable, it offers a small degree of protection. Especially for those who frequently withdraw large sums of cash from the bank, wherein holdupers usually shoot you right away w/o declaring a holdup first like what happened last week to the junk shop owner and his niece. it also might give drivers a chance to get away from carjackers (as long as pistols lang ang dala).

the laminate is more effective when its sandwiched between layers of glass (glass, laminate, glass, laminate, glass, and so on.) a friend sent me a 4'x5' panel from a closed pawn shop in the us (he got it for free), it's an inch thick consisting of 6 glass, 5 film laminates. takes 6 people to lift it.

only thing is, when the laminates become popular, the holdupers will just shoot you through the door!

[OTEP]

the laminate is more effective when its sandwiched between layers of glass

Ballistics glass na iyan talaga kung ganyan ang layout sir. hehehe. Basta maganda ang bonding between layers.

[nugundam93]

wow...what a lousy job. baka pag na-ambush yan, those parts would be the first to get detached and hit anyone inside the car.

[Helios]

Bulletproofing a vehicle is almost pointless nowadays especially if you face this kind of traffic and roads everyday. There are cheaper ways to deter crime attempts and all it takes is pre-mission planning. 90% of a successful escape takes place before you hit the road and adhering strictly to these "secret service" level of planning will get you out of trouble faster and efficiently than what an armoured truck can do. Evasion is the key while a high level of driving skills, a quick vehicle, mastery of the surrounding areas, and gunnery skills and choice of ammo top the requirements. No armoury can withstand an ambush in tight spots especially if it's a pillar attack, but a good dose of common sense and quick thinking's already an effective countermeasure. Don't put your life and your love ones' in between those streel plates because they're worth more than that.

[OTEP]

This is a car forum, that's why we discuss the vehicular aspect of security.

An armored vehicle is just another layer of protection in a security detail. Of course, every layer counts.

Pillar attacks are generally supressed by overlap armor. Especially with the advent of composite materials.

Some level of protection is still better than no protection. Unless whatever protection you have is giving you a false sense of security (e.g. listen to the salestalk of the laminates person and you'll really have FALSE sense of security after you buy their product).

And some people buy them just because they like 'em. Kinda like the same people who buy hearses, ambulances, and ex-cop cars. They have no real use for them, but it's their hobby.