2020 Ford Territory

**hardwang** · August 18th, 2020 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by AG4

Maybe that's what the thousands of Civic Turbo, EcoSport 1.0 EB, and Geely Coolray owners do. I haven't checked the Honda forums though, not sure if they have maintenance issues with the Direct injection 1.5 VTEC Turbo.

Almost all direct injection, turbo or not have these issues. Mazda skyactiv has it, the ecoboost has it, VW meron din... Honda doesn’t have any carbon issues though. I read that the positioning of the injector allows the fuel to hit the intake valves even thought its direct injection.

**AG4** · August 18th, 2020 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by hardwang

Almost all direct injection, turbo or not have these issues. Mazda skyactiv has it, the ecoboost has it, VW meron din... Honda doesn’t have any carbon issues though. I read that the positioning of the injector allows the fuel to hit the intake valves even thought its direct injection.

Here's the info I found regarding the (Ford)JMC-AVL engine's direct injection design compared to the one on the fully-Ford-developed 4-cylinder 1.5T.
Translated from Chinese:

Side-set direct spray.
　　Unlike the top-stand direct injection used in the Ford 1.5T engine, the Jiangling 1.5T engine uses a side-stand direct injection system, with the high-pressure rail sit below the side intake manifold, rather than the high-pressure rail similar to the Ford engine above the cylinder head.

I think this is a similar layout as the one on the 1.5 VTEC Turbo.
Honda Global | VTEC TURBO - Picture Book

**Verbl Kint** · August 20th, 2020 05:40 PM

I foresee this to be the first Ford for a lot of people, and it's a turbo too, at that.

There's a lot of social media buzz about this being supposedly a "Chinese" rebadged Ford, when the truth is more complex and nuanced. I'm not really sure why Ford Philippines hasn't hired any sort of social media strategist to change this notion.

Pricing is really good but are you willing to be an early adopter in this Chinese-Australian-Belgian-American product? The Trend looks to be a good value in its own right, but the Titanium+ does come with a lot of cool toys:

	Trend	Titanium Plus
Door Handles	Body Color	Chrome
Exterior Mirrors		Power Folding, Heated
Front Grill	Gloss Black	Gloss Black w/ Chrome Inserts
Tires+Wheels	P235/55R17	P235/50R18
Front Wipers	Variable Intermittent	Rain-Sensing
Puddle Lamps	None	Included
Speakers	6	8
Wireless Charging	None	Included
PM2.5 Filters	None	Included
Instrument Cluster	3.5 inch LCD	10 inch Digital Display with Themes
Power Window Buttons	Standard	One-Touch Up or Down for all windows
Steering Wheel Adjustment	Tilt	Tilt and Telescopic
Ambient Lighting w/ 7 colors	None	Included
Camera	Rear-View	360 deg HD Cameras
Cruise Control	Standard	Adaptive w/ Forward Collision Warning
Extra Safety and Driver-Assist Features	TPMS	TPMS, Autonomous Emergency Braking, Blind Spot Info System, Enhanced Parking Assist, Lane Departure Warning
Heated/Ventilated Seats	None	Included

Everything else (10" touchscreen infotainment system, moonroof, DRL's, fog lamps, rear air vents, climate control, leather seats, airbags, ABS, traction control, hill climb assist, et cetera) is the same.

**dr. d** · August 20th, 2020 05:42 PM

my guess is,
they'll hit the ads with everything they've got, when the vehicle hits the showrooms and the stockrooms.
it doesn't seem, to me, good timing right now, what with covid.

... so, it's a mongrel...?
heh heh.

ang alam kong mabiling mongrel dito,
is the one we build in our backyard.

"we shall see."

there's at least two folks here, who swear, "never again a ford".

**2 B** · August 20th, 2020 06:30 PM

Is this a better buy than the base Corolla Cross?

**StockEngine** · August 20th, 2020 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by 2 B

Is this a better buy than the base Corolla Cross?

Japenese: Heavily discounted Maxda cx30 pro

Korean: loading.....

**Egan101** · August 20th, 2020 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by 2 B

Is this a better buy than the base Corolla Cross?

Based on its looks and features, it is better than the Toyota Cross.

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**AG4** · August 20th, 2020 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Verbl Kint

There's a lot of social media buzz about this being supposedly a "Chinese" rebadged Ford, when the truth is more complex and nuanced.

Part of the misunderstanding came from the fact that the Ford-JMC SUV project was initially launched under the Yusheng brand. People/media were quick to jump to the conclusion Ford just slapped a Ford-badge on a random Chinese vehicle. It was basically engineered and designed like any Ford car from the beginning, it even incorporated Ford's Kinetic Design language.

Its 1.5-turbo engine basically combined some features of the 2.0 EcoBoost with the 1.5 EcoBoost. The result was a 1.5 Turbo that has a timing chain and side-mounted direct-injection (Miller Cycle was added to meet strict emissions and improve fuel consumption). Despite looking like a typical 4-cylinder Ford gasoline engine, the "4G15" part of the "JX4G15C5L" engine code made people assume it was based on an old 4G1 Mitsubishi engine which has a different orientation.

Originally Posted by Verbl Kint

Pricing is really good but are you willing to be an early adopter in this Chinese-Australian-Belgian-American product? The Trend looks to be a good value in its own right, but the Titanium+ does come with a lot of cool toys:

Ford waited 1.5 years before launching it in export markets. In that period they made minor changes including the suspension which was retuned, it also has redesigned lower L-arms which now resemble the ones on the all-new 2020 Escape/Kuga but made of steel instead of aluminum.